Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.

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By thepostman
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This may effect what we end up doing.

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By Sly Fox
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I am not counting on attendance at any games anywhere at this stage.

I can't honestly say that anyone has any clue just how good or bad any team will be considering the potential impact of the pandemic on rosters. If I am in an SEC backwater like Arkansas (sorry, SumItUp) or Ole Miss (sorry, CJ) there may never again in their lifetime be a better opportunity to steal a league title. A virus spread through an O-Line meeting and suddenly walk-ons and scrub DL are your new offensive front. It is impossible to predict much of anything at this stage.
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By FlamesHighontheTide
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IF we can social distance at walmart then we can social distance at a football game. Sell seats every 6ft and then if you have a family buying tickets then you let them sit together like you do in church.

We are now less than 3% on the mortality rate of this virus and of the 3% there is no way to tell how many died of something else other than COVID-19 and yet the death certificate was manipulated to say COVID-19.

Watch the games in November, December and Bowl games get the green light for full capacity at games.
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By hoop20
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Wow the QB room especially will become super competitive the next few years with this eligibility freeze.
By tyndal23
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We lost CFB by not changing the narrative in June from “ flattening the curve” to “ Herd Immunity”. The left won the verbiage war and the ESPN idiots who are Hyping their own job loss demise are perpetuating it. This is all semantics when we are still treating a disease for healthy young athletes with no symptoms or much less symptoms than a summer cold ( which is hard to shake and is miserably annoying ). The Notion of sitting asymptomatic athletes for 2 weeks is Ludicrous while trying to play a schedule. Love the fact that we made a schedule but with the parameters in place due to blue state BS - no way we play football this fall. Every team should have had a sleep in like we all did with a Chicken Pox back in the day and moved on to call with everyone “ cured “.
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By olldflame
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tyndal23 wrote: August 22nd, 2020, 12:59 am We lost CFB by not changing the narrative in June from “ flattening the curve” to “ Herd Immunity”. The left won the verbiage war and the ESPN idiots who are Hyping their own job loss demise are perpetuating it. This is all semantics when we are still treating a disease for healthy young athletes with no symptoms or much less symptoms than a summer cold ( which is hard to shake and is miserably annoying ). The Notion of sitting asymptomatic athletes for 2 weeks is Ludicrous while trying to play a schedule. Love the fact that we made a schedule but with the parameters in place due to blue state BS - no way we play football this fall. Every team should have had a sleep in like we all did with a Chicken Pox back in the day and moved on to call with everyone “ cured “.
At least 2 things prevented that change in narrative. We were operating on the established premise that herd immunity was 60-70%, which was unacceptable. We now know that because of T-cell cross immunity from the common cold, it is probably closer to 20% (witness Sweden, Italy and NYC). The other is that Early on, when Fauci had his ear, Trump used the term "the herd" in a mocking manner referring to Sweden, and criticized how they were handling things.

IMHO, the area where we have failed the worst (with a huge assist from media and left wingers who like the lockdowns) is in failing to educate the public about the reality that Covid is a disease that affects different age groups very differently. Despite the clear statistical proof of this, to this day pundits cite anecdotal cases as evidence that it is dangerous to young people. Polls show that people think only half of Covid deaths are over 55, when in fact its 95%.
By olldflame
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hoop20 wrote: August 21st, 2020, 10:42 pm Wow the QB room especially will become super competitive the next few years with this eligibility freeze.
Have they addressed scholarship limits in light of this decision? For elite players who will be drafted, it probably means nothing. Those who feel like they can elevate their status with another year will love it. For the Seniors who are buried on the depth chart, it presents a dilemma. Even if the NCAA significantly raises the scholarship limits, a lot of programs cannot afford it, and will need to let players go to make room for recruits. I also suspect that a lot of those players, with at least one, and many with 2 degrees in hand, will decide to get on with life post-football anyway.
By olldflame
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On checking further, this year's Seniors will not count against scholarship limits next year. That is significant, but does not address the fact that with eligibility frozen for EVERYONE, there basically will be no Senior class in 2021 other than those who are Seniors this year who return.

Look ahead to Fall of 22. All of the current JR, SO, and FR from this year will still be eligible. That's 62 players by my count. Then you will have the 21 recruiting class, who will be either SO or R-FR, plus the incoming 22 class. That's 50 more, for a total of 112. The math does not work. Yes, there will be some attrition, but not nearly enough. There will be no way teams can keep under an 85 man roster limit without literally "cutting" scholarship players or reducing the number of recruits signed.
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By hoop20
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olldflame wrote: August 22nd, 2020, 8:43 am On checking further, this year's Seniors will not count against scholarship limits next year. That is significant, but does not address the fact that with eligibility frozen for EVERYONE, there basically will be no Senior class in 2021 other than those who are Seniors this year who return.

Look ahead to Fall of 22. All of the current JR, SO, and FR from this year will still be eligible, plus you will have the 21 recruiting class, who will be either SO or R-FR, plus the incoming 22 class. The math does not work. There will be no way teams can keep under an 85 man roster limit without literally "cutting" scholarship players or reducing the number of recruits signed.
I'm sure there will be some cutting like you say. I wouldn't be surprised if the 85 man limit is temporarily increased. I just think its interesting in case Malik Willis ends up being good this year, he could still play 2 more years.
By olldflame
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There are a lot of G5 schools who struggle to provide 85 scholarships, so addressing this exclusively by raising the roster limit is probably not a viable option. I think they will need to make a smaller increase there and also lower the size of recruiting classes. Not the best scenario for us as we are trying to upgrade our talent level. College football teams do not need rosters of 100 plus scholarship players.
By olldflame
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ballcoach15 wrote: August 22nd, 2020, 12:47 pm Transfer Portal will be busy
Maybe so, but not with many good players. Some cash-strapped programs may need to let some players go, but those will be their worst, not their best.
By olldflame
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The more I think about it, a reduction in recruiting class size may not be so bad for us. If, for instance, they drop it from 25 to 20, that's 400 players the top 80 recruiting schools will have to pass on. Some of them could clearly be an upgrade for us over what we would otherwise sign.
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By olldflame
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So, we reportedly were to have the first weekly testing done on the entire team and staff on Wed, basically beginning the in-season protocol several weeks early. Any word on results? Obviously identities are PHI, but numbers are not.
By thepostman
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Yes. They should be released but names should not as @olldflame mentioned. It will only come back to bite us later on.

I'd dare say, no news is good news.
By olldflame
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thepostman wrote: August 23rd, 2020, 1:26 pm Yes. They should be released but names should not as @olldflame mentioned. It will only come back to bite us later on.

I'd dare say, no news is good news.
Maybe not. There would be less reason to withhold good news. It may be they have just decided not to announce it either way, which would be a departure for HF, who has always been pretty transparent. You are correct in saying that if the news is bad, it will come out eventually, and we will be raked over the coals for "hiding" it.

I will say that if I am HF, and there are several positive tests, but nobody is actually sick, I would be frustrated and torn as to how to handle it. I'm thinking they will probably announce results at the next presser.
By thepostman
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Yeah, we just can't take the risk of the media finding out after the fact. Even if it was handled correctly, that wouldn't matter. It seems, from the outside looking in, they are taking the required steps so I'm sure we will get a statement soon.
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By CCWMichael
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FlamesHighontheTide wrote: August 21st, 2020, 8:28 pm IF we can social distance at walmart then we can social distance at a football game. Sell seats every 6ft and then if you have a family buying tickets then you let them sit together like you do in church.

We are now less than 3% on the mortality rate of this virus and of the 3% there is no way to tell how many died of something else other than COVID-19 and yet the death certificate was manipulated to say COVID-19.

Watch the games in November, December and Bowl games get the green light for full capacity at games.
I have not been following the Virginia "mandates" so this may not be relevant.
Here in PA for instance the amusement parks are open. We are season pass holders for Hershey Park. The park is less crowded than typical but trust me when I say it is full. Yes, there is a mask requirement. Some wear them properly, some not so much. No masks required in the water park and that is by far the fullest part of the park. Not one instance of contract tracing has come from Hershey park in the time they have been open. Does this prove anything? No.
But, I think we can have limited attendance and be just fine. However, I am not the one being paid to make those decisions.

Schools have been in session in many locations and no apocalypse yet.

I agree with families first. I want to be there this year for many reasons and I hope LU can find a way for more to attend beyond families.
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By ballcoach15
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VT and the school in Charlottesville are saying 1,000 fans, but the Governor might up that number before game day.
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By Cider Jim
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ballcoach15 wrote: August 23rd, 2020, 8:36 pm The cow college in Blacksburg and Mr. Jefferson's university are saying 1,000 fans, but the Governor might up that number before game day.
FIFY, Ballcoach. Study
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