[NotAJerry]

To make it even more obvious, Luck ran 2 times for 8 yards yesterday. That's right, Luck ran more than Griffin did.

[LUconn]

First time I've seen either one of them in the NFL. I wasn't terribly impressed with either. Certainly nothing to make me think Luck is the next Manning. They were protecting him with that dink and dunk stuff for the most part. I guess neither of them looked terrible like a lot of rookies so they've got that going for them.

[bradyfan]

Obviously he wasn't going to run the ball yesterday, he's a smart kid. No NFL starter in their right mind is going to take off running in a preseason game. I'm referring to him running out of the pocket more than he stays in it. When he feels the least bit of pressure, he leaves the pocket. He definitely isn't running as much as he could be but it's obvious that he wants to let his feet impact his game. Furthermore, the Colts have a terrible pass rush and Griffin was only pressured a few times yesterday. They gave him plenty of time, so there was no real need for him to run. I think he's more balanced than Mike Vick or Jason Campbell or Vince Young but you can tell that he is way more confident in his running game than his passing game. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Eli Manning, Drew Brees...etc will sit in the pocket until they absolutely have to leave. Tom Brady will even just take a sack sometimes. RGIII doesn't do that, once he sees pressure he starts scrambling. He may not take off and run, but he leaves the pocket. This worked yesterday because we played a terrible defense. When we face the Giants, Cowboys, Saints, Steelers, and Ravens (all teams we face this year), he needs to stay in the pocket until that final second. All of those teams are fantastic at forcing turnovers by pressuring the QB. Again, I think he has promise but it's clear that he needs to spend more time in the pocket and be okay with taking a sack. He isn't confident in his arm yet, hence the four over thrown balls yesterday and there were a few passes yesterday that could have been picked. Look at his stats from yesterday, his average yards per completion was 4.4, against Chicago he also only averaged 6.1, and he ran 30% of the time. That shows that he isn't comfortable throwing the ball down field, he likes throwing short passes and letting his receivers do the work. He has a great arm and he's very good at reading defenses but he isn't throwing bullits to receivers 15 yards downfield. Luck did run twice yesterday but his offensive line was terrible and he waited until the very last second before he scrambled. I still think the world of RGIII and he has the ability to be a great QB but he is very much a delicate work in progress, whereas Luck is already a sure bet.

[Purple Haize]

Wait a minute? If aQB sees pressure and leaves the pocket they are run first? So a QB who sees and feels pressure should just take the hit. You saw one game in the preseason where he scrambled for under 10 yds and you label him as someone more comfortable with his feet the his arm?
Makes me Sweaty just thinking about that flawed logic.

[bradyfan]

That isn't what I said and that isn't the logic I used. However, it doesn't matter with you as you have a weird obsession with arguing every point I make about anything.

[NotAJerry]

That isn't what I said and that isn't the logic I used. However, it doesn't matter with you as you have a weird obsession with arguing every point I make about anything.

He does it to everyone just to be contrarian. Put him on ignore and the board improves immensely.

[Purple Haize]

That isn't what I said and that isn't the logic I used. However, it doesn't matter with you as you have a weird obsession with arguing every point I make about anything.

He does it to everyone just to be contrarian. Put him on ignore and the board improves immensely.

What if I change user names like someone else?

[Purple Haize]

That isn't what I said and that isn't the logic I used. However, it doesn't matter with you as you have a weird obsession with arguing every point I make about anything.

I disagreed with your assertion that RG3 is a run first QB or more comfortable running the ball himself. He looks very comfortable throwing the ball. He looks very comfortable throwing the ball deep. It will take timing with his receivers so he can know where to put the ball as far as they can run.
I do agree that Luck is a lock. I am more impressed with RG3 then I first was.

[bradyfan]

He's more comfortable running the ball than throwing the ball. If he were more comfortable passing, he would stay in the pocket more. It's not an opinion, it's what I saw. He left the pocket numerous times yesterday rather than trying to put the ball in the receivers hands. This worked out since he didn't throw an interception yesterday but great NFL QB's sit in the pocket more. I don't think it means much yet as he is very young and still in development. However, Luck would sit in the pocket until someone was right on top of him - he would then throw a picture perfect pass or maybe scramble. Yesterday, the few times that Indy pressured RGIII, he ran from the pocket. He isn't very comfortable throwing yet, 4 times we had receivers deep in one-on-one situations, he overthrew them every time. When I say he's a run first QB, I'm saying if he were stuck with a completely open receiver and a wide open running lane, he would choose the running lane. He did choose the running lane the one time it happened yesterday. He had a receiver open 20 yards or so down field, another one with an angle, yet he chose to run the ball. It worked out, but other teams aren't going to get beat by that. I'm definitely more impressed than I originally was during the draft, yet he still has a lot of growing to do.

[Purple Haize]

If the pocket is collapsing, you kinda sorta hope your QB can get out of it or move the pocket. I think you are confusing running with moving in the pocket. Big Ben moves in the pocket. RG 3 can extend plays and make things happen because he can elude pressure. That does not mean he is more comfortable running the ball. Steve Young Brett Favre and John Elways certainly didn't sit in the pocket. They had pretty good careers.

[bradyfan]

If the pocket is collapsing, you kinda sorta hope your QB can get out of it or move the pocket. I think you are confusing running with moving in the pocket. Big Ben moves in the pocket. RG 3 can extend plays and make things happen because he can elude pressure. That does not mean he is more comfortable running the ball. Steve Young Brett Favre and John Elways certainly didn't sit in the pocket. They had pretty good careers.

Steve Young and John Elway played in a different league. Every rule that has been added or changed in the past five years has been to help the passing game. You have to hit a player a certain way for it to be legal now, I hope my QB stays composed under pressure and delivers. RGIII can elude pressure and that's great but I'm saying he does it way to early. He needs to let the play develop more before he takes off, that's his biggest problem. Big Ben moves in the pocket, but he doesn't start side stepping away from the pocket the second the ball is hiked to him. RGIII had moments yesterday where he didn't even give the play a chance to develop before he started moving. I don't think his problems are huge when you compare him to Vince Young, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Tavaris Jackson...etc. but he definitely has work to do. I'm extremely impressed with his smarts though and I think that will show up on the field.

[jbock13]

bradyfan is a racist for saying that. Jerbear says so

[Purple Haize]

bradyfan is a racist for saying that. Jerbear says so

Jerbear has us on ignore! Maybe HE is the racist!

I'll agree with Bradysweats last comment. But I think that has more to do with being a rookie then anything else.
Although I know Steve Young played on the USFL, but I didn't know he played his whole career there? Or that Elways did too. Huh, I thought they played in the NFL.

[bradyfan]

Either you really like people spelling things out for you or your IQ is on the low side. I was speaking in a figurative sense when I said different leagues. The league was completely different then than it is now. For example, look at how TE is played now versus then.

[Purple Haize]

Either you really like people spelling things out for you or your IQ is on the low side. I was speaking in a figurative sense when I said different leagues. The league was completely different then than it is now. For example, look at how TE is played now versus then.

It's just that I can't keep all of these user names straight and I don't know....my pits get all sweaty.

[jbock13]

bradyfan is a racist for saying that. Jerbear says so

Jerbear has us on ignore! Maybe HE is the racist!

I do not blame him though. I mean think about how smart he is? He probably has a higher IQ than the rest of this website.... combined. He does not have time to intermingle and converse with intellectual peasants like you and I are Haize

[Purple Haize]

bradyfan is a racist for saying that. Jerbear says so

Jerbear has us on ignore! Maybe HE is the racist!

I do not blame him though. I mean think about how smart he is? He probably has a higher IQ than the rest of this website.... combined. He does not have time to intermingle and converse with intellectual peasants like you and I are Haize

He and CJBrady are the superior intellect....

[NotAJerry]

Either you really like people spelling things out for you or your IQ is on the low side. I was speaking in a figurative sense when I said different leagues. The league was completely different then than it is now. For example, look at how TE is played now versus then.

Stop feeding the trolls.

[jbock13]

I have to disagree a little, brady. I mean of course in the NFL the game is faster, and RG3 will need time to adjust to that. But I'm confident he can do it. Taking the injuries issues aside, Vick has done well adjusting to that. What you see is the how the college, dual threat QB's are beginning to translate and push their way into the NFL. Luck isn't from that school, so he doesn't need to adjust like RG3. The fumble during the Bears game showed that RG3 is still not quite used to the speed. But it's progress, and he's much better than any of the other options the Redskins have right now.

[Purple Haize]

I have to disagree a little, brady. I mean of course in the NFL the game is faster, and RG3 will need time to adjust to that. But I'm confident he can do it. Taking the injuries issues aside, Vick has done well adjusting to that. What you see is the how the college, dual threat QB's are beginning to translate and push their way into the NFL. Luck isn't from that school, so he doesn't need to adjust like RG3. The fumble during the Bears game showed that RG3 is still not quite used to the speed. But it's progress, and he's much better than any of the other options the Redskins have right now.

Troll

[jbock13]

Honestly, I was trying to have a serious conversation...

[Purple Haize]

Honestly, I was trying to have a serious conversation...

So was I. I even agreed with his point about Luck. I just think he is way off on RG3 and running. The guy has a cannon, just he and his receivers need to work out timing. He was overthrowing some pretty speedy guys. What I see from him is someone who has solid footwork. I watched a thing about QB release time during the Panthers game. What I noticed about all the QBs they profiled, they all moved their feet to stay mobile in the pocket. Also, with a guy like RG3, you can design plays where the pocket rolls out. Which would be foolish NOT to do with someone like him
I can't believe the number of Rookie and 2nd year QBs starting this year. And special props to Russel Wilson.

[BJWilliams]

Man I leave for a week and everyone is at each other's throats like a pack of African lions...

All I have to say is RG3 and Luck have unique skill sets that they bring to the table that their respective OCs can take advantage of. Luck, though not a "running QB", certainly has the ability to run (and showed it on quite a few occasions in college) and though he isnt a MIchael Vick or a Steve Young, his legs are something that teams will have to account for. RG3, who a lot of people would classify as a "running QB", has an excellent arm as PH noted. I am reminded of the Oklahoma game when he was not only able to use his legs to keep a play alive, but then unload a bomb to the end zone for the winning score. We are in an era now where you cant really pigeonhole QBs as one type or the other because they have a lot of the skills of both.

[adam42381]

Man I leave for a week and everyone is at each other's throats like a pack of African lions...

Racist...wait, I thought that was a quote from cjbrady for a second.

[adam42381]

Man I leave for a week and everyone is at each other's throats like a pack of African lions...

Racist...wait, I thought that was a quote from cjbrady for a second.

I apologize if I hurt bradyfan's feelings with my previous post. I have been reprimanded via PM by a moderator.