[Jonathan Carone]

There are three issues with the handful of bad actors comments:

1) More often than not, the "it was only a handful a bad actors" comment comes before the condemnation of what that group did. That comes across as a deflection and feels like a defense of the president who all but cheered those bad actors on.

2) It was a small percentage of the protestors - but it was a lot more than a handful. The news coverage has shown it was thousands of people who did this. They erected gallows, chanted to hang the Vice President, and claimed they were coming after the Speaker of the House. That has to be condemned strongly before you even get into defending the majority.

3) This summer, the rhetoric from the right about the BLM marches were that everyone involved in the protests was a part of the marxist Antifa mindset and just wanted to tear everything down. When supporters pushed back that it was only a handful of bad actors causing the destruction, they were shot down and told how wrong they were. To now use that as a go-to response is very hypocritical.

[rtb72]

There are three issues with the handful of bad actors comments:

1) More often than not, the "it was only a handful a bad actors" comment comes before the condemnation of what that group did. That comes across as a deflection and feels like a defense of the president who all but cheered those bad actors on.

2) It was a small percentage of the protestors - but it was a lot more than a handful. The news coverage has shown it was thousands of people who did this. They erected gallows, chanted to hang the Vice President, and claimed they were coming after the Speaker of the House. That has to be condemned strongly before you even get into defending the majority.

3) This summer, the rhetoric from the right about the BLM marches were that everyone involved in the protests was a part of the marxist Antifa mindset and just wanted to tear everything down. When supporters pushed back that it was only a handful of bad actors causing the destruction, they were shot down and told how wrong they were. To now use that as a go-to response is very hypocritical.

There's plenty of the "H" word to go around on both sides.

[Jonathan Carone]

That's absolutely, 100% correct.

[TH Spangler]

Grenell had the best response to the free speech issue. It went something like, free speech is protected by law, so bake the cake.

Hopefully someone in that party takes Nancy's stir stick away soon. Just hope it's not AOC.

[rtb72]

There are three issues with the handful of bad actors comments:

1) More often than not, the "it was only a handful a bad actors" comment comes before the condemnation of what that group did. That comes across as a deflection and feels like a defense of the president who all but cheered those bad actors on.

2) It was a small percentage of the protestors - but it was a lot more than a handful. The news coverage has shown it was thousands of people who did this. They erected gallows, chanted to hang the Vice President, and claimed they were coming after the Speaker of the House. That has to be condemned strongly before you even get into defending the majority.

3) This summer, the rhetoric from the right about the BLM marches were that everyone involved in the protests was a part of the marxist Antifa mindset and just wanted to tear everything down. When supporters pushed back that it was only a handful of bad actors causing the destruction, they were shot down and told how wrong they were. To now use that as a go-to response is very hypocritical.

I would like to see some reference to this for leaders on the right. The quick condemnation I saw from leaders on the right did not start with minimizing in this way. They may have....and I'd like to know which ones, because to your point....I think that would be epitome of deflection and a good reflection of hackery.

[paradox]

So, the hypocrisy meter points exclusively to the one instance versus the numerous?

The only true hypocrites on this subject are the ones who justify the violence of one group, but condemn the other. CNN, Kamala Harris, BLM, left/right anarchists, Nancy Pelosi, and Alex Jones immediately come to mind.

I mean, that's not anybody here, right? We can all agree that all the executions on police officers since the Obama era is repulsive. And the burning and looting. Even plugging old people in the head with water bottles. Wrong. And, of course, the insanity from last week. It's all really bad. So, we all agree on this, right?

[Jonathan Carone]

There are three issues with the handful of bad actors comments:

1) More often than not, the "it was only a handful a bad actors" comment comes before the condemnation of what that group did. That comes across as a deflection and feels like a defense of the president who all but cheered those bad actors on.

I would like to see some reference to this for leaders on the right. The quick condemnation I saw from leaders on the right did not start with minimizing in this way. They may have....and I'd like to know which ones, because to your point....I think that would be epitome of deflection and a good reflection of hackery.

To be clear - I was talking about conservatives in general, not political leaders. It was a reference to what I was seeing in my social circles.

[Jonathan Carone]

We can all agree that all the executions on police officers since the Obama era is repulsive. And the burning and looting. Even plugging old people in the head with water bottles. Wrong. And, of course, the insanity from last week. It's all really bad. So, we all agree on this, right?

I can absolutely agree with that. The amount of "well they did it too" comments I've seen on social media platforms over the last week has shown a remarkable amount of people who, while they might intellectually agree it's wrong, are viewing things differently. It's been one of the saddest parts of this entire thing.

[paradox]

And you go on.

[rtb72]

So, the hypocrisy meter points exclusively to the one instance versus the numerous?

The only true hypocrites on this subject are the ones who justify the violence of one group, but condemn the other. CNN, Kamala Harris, BLM, left/right anarchists, Nancy Pelosi, and Alex Jones immediately come to mind.

I mean, that's not anybody here, right? We can all agree that all the executions on police officers since the Obama era is repulsive. And the burning and looting. Even plugging old people in the head with water bottles. Wrong. And, of course, the insanity from last week. It's all really bad. So, we all agree on this, right?

Thank you for stating this! I know there are some bad apples as with any profession. But the one thing I see clearly is LE is becoming a target from both ends of the spectrum....thus, recruiting is becoming harder while the need is greater than ever. If the left gets rid of qualified immunity for LE....there will be a major exodus. I can tell you, it is not a scenario you want to see.

[rtb72]

There are three issues with the handful of bad actors comments:

1) More often than not, the "it was only a handful a bad actors" comment comes before the condemnation of what that group did. That comes across as a deflection and feels like a defense of the president who all but cheered those bad actors on.

I would like to see some reference to this for leaders on the right. The quick condemnation I saw from leaders on the right did not start with minimizing in this way. They may have....and I'd like to know which ones, because to your point....I think that would be epitome of deflection and a good reflection of hackery.

To be clear - I was talking about conservatives in general, not political leaders. It was a reference to what I was seeing in my social circles.

That's fair....so long as you understand the vetting that needs to take place within those circles.

[Jonathan Carone]

100%. But to be absolutely clear, these are coming from pastors, worship team members, small group leaders, youth group volunteers and the like. This isn't just coming from my crazy anti-government father-in-law.

[TH Spangler]

100%. But to be absolutely clear, these are coming from pastors, worship team members, small group leaders, youth group volunteers and the like. This isn't just coming from my crazy anti-government father-in-law.

Nancy's stir stick is working on them. Sad situation.

[stokesjokes]

Ok, I’ll call it out. No one on here is engaged in the deflection of responsibility...other than @TH Spangler.

Pelosi is not who radicalized these people. She has no influence over them. Please take the “stir stick” out of your own eye first.

[TH Spangler]

Like postman said several weeks ago. I hate politics. Politics has reach the sickening level on BOTH sides. God help us. Rapture looking better all the time.

[TH Spangler]

This is crazy?

https://www.wavy.com/news/national/army ... -dc-rally/

[puttincomputers]

Oh, and a Democrat President (Carter) later pardoned these terrorists.

Interesting video! Thanks!

[puttincomputers]

Then you have this. Seems more like Trump supporters were stopping the break in and verbally expressing their opinion of Antifa

Hold on now. They didn't start to boo until after someone interfered. You might want to watch that again.

Edited several minutes later. Hold on now, notice how these supposedly "Antifa" are given big cordial hugs by the Trump supporters at the very end.

[stokesjokes]

This is crazy?

https://www.wavy.com/news/national/army ... -dc-rally/

If she didn’t go in, she should be cleared.

[puttincomputers]

Like postman said several weeks ago. I hate politics. Politics has reach the sickening level on BOTH sides. God help us. Rapture looking better all the time.

Politics in the US has always been sickening. It was a minority of people who took up arms against the British. My pacifist ancestors had to flee to the wilderness and buy land from the Native Americans because of how they were attacked by the militants. Those who remained behind were forcibly taxed without representation by the militants. Weirdly enough, that makes me eligible to be a "Son of the Revolution."

Did you know that New London, VA, was basically destroyed economically because of the actions of the militants? Most of the people in the town were Tories. But, Colonel Lynch had to put his name in the history book by hanging businessmen up by their fingers. It is from him that we get the term "lynching." Most of you have probably never even heard of New London. It was supposed to be the future New York of the South due to its placement between Philly and Charlotte and Richmond and Kentucky. Where is New London? Right beside Lynchburg. Does it still exist? Just barely.

The Revolution is kind of interesting to me. It would never have happened if Washington had not deliberately started the "French and Indian War." Britain spent exorbitant sums of money protecting the colonies from the French and the Native Americans. The expense was so great that it caused GB to be such severe debt that they worried that the French and possibly even the Spanish would attack the colonies and GB would have no defense available to help out the colonies. So, they asked the colonies to help the motherland out in regards to the huge debt that had been created while protecting them. But no, the rebels just had to throw a conniption fit at the idea of paying for their own protection. How dare GB have the funds to pay down debt and build warships to protect the colonies. Weirdly enough, what GB feared would happen did actually happen. France invaded and kicked GB out.

Here's the twist. France should never have helped out the rebels. Why? Because the radicals then traveled to France and caused the French Revolution.

Added bonus. Because of the French Revolution, Napoleon came to power. When he was finally defeated, the Royal Houses of Europe got together to divide up Europe amongst themselves. They did so without any care of the multitudes of people groups who wanted independence. So, while it was "peaceful" in Europe, radicals began building. This culminated in the shooting of Archduke Ferdinand and WW1. End of WW1, and Germany is heavily punished for something they didn't start. The Result of that? HITLER!

So, in a roundabout way, George Washington's ambush of a French Patrol in 1753 caused Hitler to rise to power.

Full disclosure: I graduated from LU with degrees in History and Business. I like pulling threads in historical narratives to see where I end up.

Side note, both the American Revolution and the War of 1812 started when the rebels and later the US attacked what is now Canada. The Burning of DC was retaliation for what the US did to York (Toronto).

[paradox]

New London, VA used to have a really good steakhouse, not far from the golf course. Haven't been there in years.

[Chippy]

New London, VA used to have a really good steakhouse, not far from the golf course. Haven't been there in years.

Still there . . . still great.

[Purple Haize]

New London, VA used to have a really good steakhouse, not far from the golf course. Haven't been there in years.

Still there . . . still great.

And by great you mean overrated.

[paradox]

Perhaps. It's been awhile.

Citizen Burger in Charlottesville tops my VA list. Rare to medium rare--thick, red, bloody. Count me in.

[Jonathan Carone]

Two Capitol Police officers have been suspended in connection with last week's fatal riot at the U.S. Capitol by protesters loyal to President Trump, Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, said.

One of the suspended officers took a selfie with a rioter. The other donned a Make America Great Again hat and "started directing people around," Ryan said.

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The spokesperson said at least 10 Capitol Police officers are being investigated for their roles in the riot.

A House aide separately said there are as many as 17 officers under investigation as part of eight investigations into the insurrection at the Capitol.

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