[rtb72]

I don’t understand why we are even talking about BLM/Antifa.

Are we so broken that we can’t reflect and lament on our own stuff and must always bring it around to someone or something else?

Because people don’t like seeing their own commit the same crimes they vilified and said they don’t do.

EXACTLY! That's in part a large piece of the debate.

[paradox]

John Earl Sullivan is a radical BLM activist who entered the capital during the break-in. Seems like he wasn't alone either. His twitter is Jayden X. He posted footage from inside the Capital.

The guy uses the F-word and other expletives repeatedly and then says "be blessed" at the end of one vid. Just wondering if he might be counted as one claiming to be a Christian by some people's estimation?

I think it's safe to say that most people wouldn't entertain much thought regarding any serious religious affiliation with any of that.

His Twitter took me on a rabbit hole, from November:

"Paranoia will destroy ya."--Ray Davies

Nothing compelling there. Sounds like a bunch of spontaneous activists having personality conflicts with one another.

Both CNN & Fox among other media outlets seem to disagree with you and view Sullivan, Jayden X, and Insurgence USA as legitimate. No real reason to view it otherwise.

[stokesjokes]

I’m not saying anything on him one way or another, I just thought it was an interesting read. Either way, it doesn’t sound like either side wants him.

[TH Spangler]

Guys Biden came out yesterday and through gas. He did exactly what eveyone is mad at Trump for? Im an old guy, never seen anything like this, its serious. You will find me somewhere praying and studying (listing to one of my favorite bible teachers). I'm out of the political discussion.

[Jonathan Carone]

This is my first time seeing this clip. The fact they erected gallows makes this that much more terrifying.

[Purple Haize]

Then you have this. Seems more like Trump supporters were stopping the break in and verbally expressing their opinion of Antifa

[Jonathan Carone]

What evidence is there that those people breaking in were related to antifa and not the far right people from other videos?

[Purple Haize]

What evidence is there that those people breaking in were related to antifa and not the far right people from other videos?

What proof is there they are Trump supporters? I dunno. But here’s what the video does show:

They are wearing black, much like Antifa wears so they sorta stick out.
There’s only 2 or 3 in a sea with a sea Trump supporters surrounding them. If these were actually Trump supporters you’d imagine they’d have more people jump in and help
They are boo’d by the sea of Trump supporters
They are physically stopped by obvious Trump supporters
One of them turns around and “salutes” the crowd when the Trump Supporting crowd starts chanting F Antifa.

So no, I don’t know who they were but those are pretty strong indicators they weren’t well supported Trump fans at the least. And not out of the realm of possibility they were Antifa.

[Jonathan Carone]

A large portion of the crowd is wearing black. It’s the most popular winter coat color.

And even if I give you these two are antifa - that doesn’t negate the hundreds of obvious Trump supporters who were there with zip ties, gallows, Molotov cocktails, and chants about killing government officials and hanging Mike Pence, the numerous reports of online forums leading up to the event, or the president and his lackeys inciting their supporters to fight to stop the steal.

Antifa is bad. The far left is bad.

This proved the far right is right there with them though. The fringes of both sides aren’t that far apart.

[Purple Haize]

A large portion of the crowd is wearing black. It’s the most popular winter coat color.

And even if I give you these two are antifa - that doesn’t negate the hundreds of obvious Trump supporters who were there with zip ties, gallows, Molotov cocktails, and chants about killing government officials and hanging Mike Pence, the numerous reports of online forums leading up to the event, or the president and his lackeys inciting their supporters to fight to stop the steal.

Antifa is bad. The far left is bad.

This proved the far right is right there with them though. The fringes of both sides aren’t that far apart.

You asked about these guys in this video. I gave you an answer. You’ve veered off into a hundred different directions.

[rhezick]

No, he really hasn't. There's one consistent direction. Insane, idiotic, law breaking thugs who have no grasp on reality. You may not like that the majority of these thugs were trump supporters... but I can't really help you on that one. I mean, the evidence is clear when you look at all of the people arrested and their background as clear, cult like followers of Trump. Is it possible there were some antifa people in there? Sure. Just like it's possible that there were Trump supporters taking part of BLM protests... but I'd seriously doubt it.

[Jonathan Carone]

Some language in there, but while you’re watching a Trump supporter beat a police officer, you can hear another say “Hang him up!”

[Purple Haize]

I saw that a bit ago and it is inexcusable

[Jonathan Carone]

I saw that a bit ago and it is inexcusable

I mean this with all sincerity: thank you for saying that. I’ve seen so many people respond to videos like that with “what about” answers. We’ve gone around and around on here about things but I wanted to say I honestly appreciate your response.

[Just John]

I wish you had helped call out those burning and looting all summer? The MSM/left reminded me of the kid poking a stick at the chained dog. What could possibly go wrong.

I remember when conservatives valued things like self-control and responsibility.

[TH Spangler]

I wish you had helped call out those burning and looting all summer? The MSM/left reminded me of the kid poking a stick at the chained dog. What could possibly go wrong.

I remember when conservatives valued things like self-control and responsibility.

What are you implying? I didn't like the violence I saw last summer or last week.

I've moved on. I've accepted that all I can do is pray for unwanted babies and for those losing their work to offshoring. You guys carry on without me. Thanks.

[Purple Haize]

I wish you had helped call out those burning and looting all summer? The MSM/left reminded me of the kid poking a stick at the chained dog. What could possibly go wrong.

I remember when conservatives valued things like self-control and responsibility.

I’ve listened for people condoning the violence on Capitol Hill last week. Other than the absolute fringe...I have not heard it. Do you have a source claiming that Conservatives favored the action last week of breaking in to the Capitol?

[Jonathan Carone]

I haven’t heard anyone being in favor of it, but I’ve heard a ton of people trying to say it was something other than the president’s supporters doing it at his encouragement. There hasn’t been support, but rather deflection instead of condemnation.

[Purple Haize]

I haven’t heard anyone being in favor of it, but I’ve heard a ton of people trying to say it was something other than the president’s supporters doing it at his encouragement. There hasn’t been support, but rather deflection instead of condemnation.

Probably because detractors are trying to lump several issues together
I’m 100% supportive of the people who went to the rally and marched on the Capitol
I’m 100% not supportive of those who broke in or tried to break in to the Capitol building, regardless of whose side they were on

I’d wager that’s the position most Conservatives take. But it all starts by differentiation at the beginning which isn’t done

[TH Spangler]

I probably wasn't clear on what I was thinking with my "poking a chained dog thing". For years liberals (Nancy) seem to set behind close doors trying to find a new stick to poke self restraining conservatives with. One of the latest is trying to ban in congress the use of words like man, woman, father, mother. Laws allowing you to declare what ever gender you want and enter the shower room of your choice. I could go on and on. It's like a cancer, it needs to stop.

[Jonathan Carone]

I haven’t heard anyone being in favor of it, but I’ve heard a ton of people trying to say it was something other than the president’s supporters doing it at his encouragement. There hasn’t been support, but rather deflection instead of condemnation.

Probably because detractors are trying to lump several issues together
I’m 100% supportive of the people who went to the rally and marched on the Capitol
I’m 100% not supportive of those who broke in or tried to break in to the Capitol building, regardless of whose side they were on

I’d wager that’s the position most Conservatives take. But it all starts by differentiation at the beginning which isn’t done

Swinging to a (sort of) different topic, but I found this Twitter thread fascinating. It's from an award winning photo journalist with NBC:

It is unfortunate - very unfortunate - that the 5% is speaking so loudly for the other 95%. What needs to happen is the 95% loudly speak out and condemn the 5%, but unfortunately there's too much whataboutism or conspiracy theorists going on. From "it was too easy for them to get in" to "there's no way the glass should've broken like that" to "it was all Antifa" - the first response of way too many wasn't to condemn the violence.

[stokesjokes]

I agree with you, @Purple Haize , that the differentiation needs to be made and I don’t think anyone has condoned the violence or illegal activity except people on the fringe.
However, I’ve seen 4 ways that Trump supporters have tried to deflect responsibility:

1. “What about BLM/Antifa? They did bad things too!”
2. “It was only a handful of bad actors”
3. “It was actually Antifa!”
4. “The president didn’t contribute to this/we couldn’t have possibly known that it would go this far!”

I’ve seen some look this in the face and confront it for what it is, but, unfortunately, I’ve seen far more of the above. A quote I’ve seen going around from Jemar Tisby is “there can be no reconciliation without repentance.” I’d love to move on and come together, but acknowledgment and repentance has to come first.

[Purple Haize]

I agree with you, @Purple Haize , that the differentiation needs to be made and I don’t think anyone has condoned the violence or illegal activity except people on the fringe.
However, I’ve seen 4 ways that Trump supporters have tried to deflect responsibility:

1. “What about BLM/Antifa? They did bad things too!”
2. “It was only a handful of bad actors”
3. “It was actually Antifa!”
4. “The president didn’t contribute to this/we couldn’t have possibly known that it would go this far!”

I’ve seen some look this in the face and confront it for what it is, but, unfortunately, I’ve seen far more of the above. A quote I’ve seen going around from Jemar Tisby is “there can be no reconciliation without repentance.” I’d love to move on and come together, but acknowledgment and repentance has to come first.

#3 is just stupid if they try to say it was all Antifa
#1,and 4 are all legitimate points just separate issues
#2 is absolutely correct and I’m not sure it is a deflection. It was only a handful of bad actors. And what they did was unacceptable.

[Purple Haize]

@Jonathan Carone People like Paul Rigney are not going to move my sympathy or care needle at all.

[rtb72]

I haven’t heard anyone being in favor of it, but I’ve heard a ton of people trying to say it was something other than the president’s supporters doing it at his encouragement. There hasn’t been support, but rather deflection instead of condemnation.

Probably because detractors are trying to lump several issues together
I’m 100% supportive of the people who went to the rally and marched on the Capitol
I’m 100% not supportive of those who broke in or tried to break in to the Capitol building, regardless of whose side they were on

I’d wager that’s the position most Conservatives take. But it all starts by differentiation at the beginning which isn’t done

Swinging to a (sort of) different topic, but I found this Twitter thread fascinating. It's from an award winning photo journalist with NBC:

It is unfortunate - very unfortunate - that the 5% is speaking so loudly for the other 95%. What needs to happen is the 95% loudly speak out and condemn the 5%, but unfortunately there's too much whataboutism or conspiracy theorists going on. From "it was too easy for them to get in" to "there's no way the glass should've broken like that" to "it was all Antifa" - the first response of way too many wasn't to condemn the violence.

I'm glad he put "personal" context in his opening. As it is.....being an award winning journalist in any of the leading media outlets lends very little to credibility in today's paradigm. Antifa at the captial....I don't think so. The assertions he makes about Antifa....either intentionally misleading or he's not doing his due diligence in investigative journalism.