[Sly Fox]

The Ducks finished Top 10 in both polls the year before Chip arrived. They finished in the Top 25 three of the four seasons before he took over. Mike Bellotti built that program out of the ashes of the Rich Brooks era.

And I think Medic has been paying a bit more attention to the Eagles than somebody sitting in Virginia.

Medic - Have you learned to love hating Josh Innes there on the WIP as much as we did in Houston?

[VAGolf]

The Ducks finished Top 10 in both polls the year before Chip arrived. They finished in the Top 25 three of the four seasons before he took over. Mike Bellotti built that program out of the ashes of the Rich Brooks era.

And I think Medic has been paying a bit more attention to the Eagles than somebody sitting in Virginia.

Medic - Have you learned to love hating Josh Innes there on the WIP as much as we did in Houston?

You realize who was Oregon's OC during Bellotti's last two years correct? When Kelly took over as head coach, they finished in the top 5 in three of four seasons and never missed a BCS bowl. Bellotti made them competitive, Chip made them a power.

I know are you aren't actually that obtuse to believe that someone has more knowledge of a professional sports team or a coach based on living closer to the team. If anything, being an Eagle's fan just proves bias...not objectivity.

If I'm wrong, show me something real. Telling me to listen to Philly sports radio, calling me a troll or telling me that I live in Virginia, doesn't cut it.

[Purple Haize]

The Ducks finished Top 10 in both polls the year before Chip arrived. They finished in the Top 25 three of the four seasons before he took over. Mike Bellotti built that program out of the ashes of the Rich Brooks era.

And I think Medic has been paying a bit more attention to the Eagles than somebody sitting in Virginia.

Medic - Have you learned to love hating Josh Innes there on the WIP as much as we did in Houston?

You realize who was Oregon's OC during Bellotti's last two years correct? When Kelly took over as head coach, they finished in the top 5 in three of four seasons and never missed a BCS bowl. Bellotti made them competitive, Chip made them a power.

I know are you aren't actually that obtuse to believe that someone has more knowledge of a professional sports team or a coach based on living closer to the team. If anything, being an Eagle's fan just proves bias...not objectivity.

If I'm wrong, show me something real. Telling me to listen to Philly sports radio, calling me a troll or telling me that I live in Virginia, doesn't cut it.

He got fired
His teams got worse every year
He probably isn't an NFL coach. Nothing wrong with that. Nick Saban and Lou Holtz weren't either

[VAGolf]

The Ducks finished Top 10 in both polls the year before Chip arrived. They finished in the Top 25 three of the four seasons before he took over. Mike Bellotti built that program out of the ashes of the Rich Brooks era.

And I think Medic has been paying a bit more attention to the Eagles than somebody sitting in Virginia.

Medic - Have you learned to love hating Josh Innes there on the WIP as much as we did in Houston?

You realize who was Oregon's OC during Bellotti's last two years correct? When Kelly took over as head coach, they finished in the top 5 in three of four seasons and never missed a BCS bowl. Bellotti made them competitive, Chip made them a power.

I know are you aren't actually that obtuse to believe that someone has more knowledge of a professional sports team or a coach based on living closer to the team. If anything, being an Eagle's fan just proves bias...not objectivity.

If I'm wrong, show me something real. Telling me to listen to Philly sports radio, calling me a troll or telling me that I live in Virginia, doesn't cut it.

He got fired
His teams got worse every year
He probably isn't an NFL coach. Nothing wrong with that. Nick Saban and Lou Holtz weren't either

Who cares that he got fired? Want a list of people who have been fired?

Bill Belichick
Nick Saban
Jim Harbaugh
Tony Dungy
Jon Gruden

I could give you more great coaches if you would like.

Here's a list of non-football people who were fired:

Oprah
J.K. Rowling
Mark Cuban
Arthur Blank
Steve Jobs
Walt Disney
Jerry Seinfeld
Howard Stern
Elvis

Ron Rivera and Pete Carroll were both on the edge of being fired. Carroll gets handed Russell Wilson and looks like a genius. Cam Newton starts playing exceptionally well and now Rivera is beloved in Charlotte.

Point being: Getting fired proves nothing. You aren't winning consistently in this league without a great quarterback and Philly never had one while Chip was coaching.

If you want to talk about his GM moves, I get it. But the idea that he can't coach in the NFL, is just stupid and media driven. And the argument that him being fired is somehow indicative of his ability to coach is even more ridiculous.

[Purple Haize]

So you didn't address the other points.

[VAGolf]

So you didn't address the other points.

His teams got worse every year: Not really. They went 10-6 for the first two years and then fell apart this year. Most teams have a down year once every three years. The outliers is New England, which has a Hall-Of-Fame QB.

Lou Holtz is an absolutely awful comparison. Just because Nick Saban didn't work in Miami, doesn't mean he wouldn't work in the NFL. He's never going to be a big market guy, but he could take over an NFL team and win.

Saying Chip Kelly can't coach in the NFL because he got fired, is like saying a girl is ugly because someone dumped her. Getting fired doesn't define someone's career.

[flamehunter]

He doesn't seem to be able to deal with NFL players. You can't treat them like college players. I'm not saying he can't coach well in the NFL, but he hasn't proven yet that he can. And to fall apart this year when the bad NFC East is the worst it has been in a long time? That's not a good sign.

[Sly Fox]

flamehunter is absolutely right and for the same reasons that Saban & Holtz failed in the NFL. Holtz is by far the best comparison.

[Purple Haize]

In every major sport there is a huge difference in the Mentality needed to coach in the Pro v College ranks. I don't see Chip Kelly having the personality to coach in the NFL. That's not a bad thing. I can't see Belicheck having the personality to coach in college. There are a ton of colleges that would love and pay for Chip Kelly to coach their team. There is only 1 POSSIBLE team wanting to have Kely as their coach. An interesting question that is NOT asked is how would Mariotta feel having Kelly as his coach again?

[VAGolf]

He doesn't seem to be able to deal with NFL players. You can't treat them like college players. I'm not saying he can't coach well in the NFL, but he hasn't proven yet that he can. And to fall apart this year when the bad NFC East is the worst it has been in a long time? That's not a good sign.

Not saying that he did a good job in dealing with the players but he went 10-6 in two consecutive years with a C- QB. That IS proving that you can coach. Even average NFL coaches can't win consistently without a good quarterback.

[VAGolf]

In every major sport there is a huge difference in the Mentality needed to coach in the Pro v College ranks. I don't see Chip Kelly having the personality to coach in the NFL. That's not a bad thing. I can't see Belicheck having the personality to coach in college. There are a ton of colleges that would love and pay for Chip Kelly to coach their team. There is only 1 POSSIBLE team wanting to have Kely as their coach. An interesting question that is NOT asked is how would Mariotta feel having Kelly as his coach again?

Why would someone who doesn't want to go back to coaching college football have a good mentality for college football? He did a great job at Oregon but he has an NFL mentality. He wants to coach at the highest level, he doesn't want to have to recruit, he doesn't want to deal with assistants leaving for better jobs and he doesn't want to coach kids...he wants to coach men. Sure, he didn't handle the personnel well at Philadelphia. But is he really incapable of learning from mistakes and changing? Do you still have the same mentality that you had at your first job?

And by the way, Belichick flew out to Oregon to observe Kelly, inquire about his offense and conditioning program. He wouldn't have done that if he didn't believe that Kelly's philosophies could be used in the NFL.

[JK37]

That logic doesn't compute. "He went there" does not mean he accepts what he observed while he was out there at Oregon. Coaches do that all the time: go observe other programs at all levels and see if there is something that can be stolen. I've done it. But just as often as I've stolen things; I've let things go.

Just pointing out the faulty logic. Carry on with the discussion.


I happen to believe Chip isn't fit to coach pro athletes. I also happen to believe Nick Saban isn't fit to do so either. There's nothing wrong with that.

[VAGolf]

That logic doesn't compute. "He went there" does not mean he accepts what he observed while he was out there at Oregon. Coaches do that all the time: go observe other programs at all levels and see if there is something that can be stolen. I've done it. But just as often as I've stolen things; I've let things go.

Just pointing out the faulty logic. Carry on with the discussion.


I happen to believe Chip isn't fit to coach pro athletes. I also happen to believe Nick Saban isn't fit to do so either. There's nothing wrong with that.

Okay, well, here's more proof of Belichick's admiration for Chip Kelly.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-phila ... chip-kelly

Belichick and Kelly go back to Kelly’s days at New Hampshire. Belichick has brought Kelly up to Foxboro to talk offense with his coaching staff in the past, and Belichick gave Kelly a rousing recommendation when he spoke with Eagles owner Jeff Lurie after Andy Reid was fired.

[Purple Haize]

Philosophy is different than People. Belicheck would not do well dealing with teenagers
Sure. Kelly may learn from it but his Approach will have to change immensely. He did a HORRIBLE job with Personnel and wouldn't admit it so he got fired. He could have bought himself at least another year if he'd given that up. He can't just cut and trade players he doesn't like which is what he's done. You can't just go out and recruit a kid over someone on your roster. You can't yank scholarships in the NFL. But that is how he coaches. He thinks his schemes are more valuable than the players. Don't blame this year on Bradford. It was Kelly who traded for him. It was Kelly who traded the player who best suited his scheme. The roster and the record have Kelly's fingerprints all over it.
And that's not even discussing whether or not his style can even translate into the NFL. I'm not sure it can. It was fun novel and exciting his first year but now it's flaws are being exploited and the Personnel that KELLY brought in can't get it done

[Purple Haize]

That logic doesn't compute. "He went there" does not mean he accepts what he observed while he was out there at Oregon. Coaches do that all the time: go observe other programs at all levels and see if there is something that can be stolen. I've done it. But just as often as I've stolen things; I've let things go.

Just pointing out the faulty logic. Carry on with the discussion.


I happen to believe Chip isn't fit to coach pro athletes. I also happen to believe Nick Saban isn't fit to do so either. There's nothing wrong with that.

Okay, well, here's more proof of Belichick's admiration for Chip Kelly.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-phila ... chip-kelly

Belichick and Kelly go back to Kelly’s days at New Hampshire. Belichick has brought Kelly up to Foxboro to talk offense with his coaching staff in the past, and Belichick gave Kelly a rousing recommendation when he spoke with Eagles owner Jeff Lurie after Andy Reid was fired.

Then let's see if Bill hires him

[VAGolf]

That logic doesn't compute. "He went there" does not mean he accepts what he observed while he was out there at Oregon. Coaches do that all the time: go observe other programs at all levels and see if there is something that can be stolen. I've done it. But just as often as I've stolen things; I've let things go.

Just pointing out the faulty logic. Carry on with the discussion.


I happen to believe Chip isn't fit to coach pro athletes. I also happen to believe Nick Saban isn't fit to do so either. There's nothing wrong with that.

Okay, well, here's more proof of Belichick's admiration for Chip Kelly.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-phila ... chip-kelly

Belichick and Kelly go back to Kelly’s days at New Hampshire. Belichick has brought Kelly up to Foxboro to talk offense with his coaching staff in the past, and Belichick gave Kelly a rousing recommendation when he spoke with Eagles owner Jeff Lurie after Andy Reid was fired.

Then let's see if Bill hires him

Uh, what?

[VAGolf]

Philosophy is different than People. Belicheck would not do well dealing with teenagers
Sure. Kelly may learn from it but his Approach will have to change immensely. He did a HORRIBLE job with Personnel and wouldn't admit it so he got fired. He could have bought himself at least another year if he'd given that up. He can't just cut and trade players he doesn't like which is what he's done. You can't just go out and recruit a kid over someone on your roster. You can't yank scholarships in the NFL. But that is how he coaches. He thinks his schemes are more valuable than the players. Don't blame this year on Bradford. It was Kelly who traded for him. It was Kelly who traded the player who best suited his scheme. The roster and the record have Kelly's fingerprints all over it.
And that's not even discussing whether or not his style can even translate into the NFL. I'm not sure it can. It was fun novel and exciting his first year but now it's flaws are being exploited and the Personnel that KELLY brought in can't get it done

Chip only wants to coach, doesn't want to be a GM. Sounds like he's already learning.

How has Foles done away from Philly? Name some coaches that have won consistently in the past ten years without at least an above average quarterback?

[Sly Fox]

He wanted Bradford. He can't complain if the results don't come with a player he chased.

[Purple Haize]

If that is to be believed than why didn't he take that deal 2 weeks ago when it was offered in Philly?
And as SLY said Kelly wanted Bradford. So you're saying he wanted a mediocre QB

[flameshaw]

I will be right back, the popcorn is almost done.

[BJWilliams]

As a Rams fan, I will say one thing about Sam Bradford.

Even before his knee injuries, he was never a dual threat. What made CK's offense so effective at Oregon boiled down to having a TON of speed at the skill positions. Even LeGarrette Blount, though he was a real smasher at the RB position, had speed to burn. Jeremiah Masoli, Darron Thomas, and even Marcus Mariota were all threats with their legs as well as their arms. When he got to Philly, he had Michael Vick and even Foles could make plays with his legs even though he didn't do that as much because he was so efficient with his arm.

[Purple Haize]

Then why did he trade for Bradford?

[BJWilliams]

I wish I knew...my guess is he thought that if he could do it with Foles that Bradford would be the best fit for that offense...but clearly he isn't...and he still has injury issues just like he did in St Louis (having a terrible O-line didn't help)

[Sly Fox]

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Larry Coker is stepping away at UTSA. So there is now a CUSA opening in the Alamo City just a day after their rivals up I-35 in San Marcos landed Withers.

[Cider Jim]

Sly, which of the two is the better job/program?