[jlread]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants ... believable

[Purple Haize]

Not scoring never turns out to be the right choice in Sports.

[olldflame]

Not scoring never turns out to be the right choice in Sports.

It did for Rashaad against Coastal in 2008.

Up by one score, if your opponent has no timeouts and you can run out the clock by taking knees, you do it. Scoring only gives them a chance, however small it may be. This was just flat out bad clock management. Dallas had a timeout and apparently the Giants didn´t know it and then they threw a pass and stopped the clock. Inexcusible for an NFL coaching staff and QB.

[jlread]

I really think Eli has lost passion for the game of football. It's like working a job on the Farm that his dad made him take during Highschool for extra money.

[SeoulFlame]

Not scoring never turns out to be the right choice in Sports.

It did for Rashaad against Coastal in 2008.

Up by one score, if your opponent has no timeouts and you can run out the clock by taking knees, you do it. Scoring only gives them a chance, however small it may be. This was just flat out bad clock management. Dallas had a timeout and apparently the Giants didn´t know it and then they threw a pass and stopped the clock. Inexcusible for an NFL coaching staff and QB.

Yep! I was there. He (Rashad) exactly what was going on vs. Coastal. Eli obviously didn't in this situation.

[Purple Haize]

Not scoring never turns out to be the right choice in Sports.

It did for Rashaad against Coastal in 2008.

Up by one score, if your opponent has no timeouts and you can run out the clock by taking knees, you do it. Scoring only gives them a chance, however small it may be. This was just flat out bad clock management. Dallas had a timeout and apparently the Giants didn´t know it and then they threw a pass and stopped the clock. Inexcusible for an NFL coaching staff and QB.

I remember that. Thought it was a bad idea than. You have a chance, however small, of a botched snap, fumble, etc. stick the ball in the end zone. Don't try to be cute.

[olldflame]

Not scoring never turns out to be the right choice in Sports.

It did for Rashaad against Coastal in 2008.

Up by one score, if your opponent has no timeouts and you can run out the clock by taking knees, you do it. Scoring only gives them a chance, however small it may be. This was just flat out bad clock management. Dallas had a timeout and apparently the Giants didn´t know it and then they threw a pass and stopped the clock. Inexcusible for an NFL coaching staff and QB.

I remember that. Thought it was a bad idea than. You have a chance, however small, of a botched snap, fumble, etc. stick the ball in the end zone. Don't try to be cute.

I would respond to that by saying that in games like this one and that Coastal game, where your opponent has been shredding your defense, you don´t want to let their offense get the ball, even after a score. They have a better chance of beating you on a quick score, onside kick and another score than getting a turnover out of your ¨victory¨ set. When do you remember that ever actually happening?

If it´s always in your best interest to score, why do defenses in a situation like the one we had against Coastal, make no effort to stop you? Once Rashaad had the first down, they obviously were coached to make no effort to tackle him. The answer of course, is that they know the only way their offense touches the ball again and the only chance they have of winning is if you score.

[Purple Haize]

That's called playing not to lose
If that's the case why not take a knee? I have no problem with that. Put your points on the board and play. Especially in this last game.

[olldflame]

That's called playing not to lose
If that's the case why not take a knee? I have no problem with that. Put your points on the board and play. Especially in this last game.

If the game were tied, it would be playing not to lose, and I would be äginnit¨. If you are ahead, it´s playing to WIN to run out the clock by taking knees when you can. After the Coastal game, there were guys on here saying Rashaad should have scored because a bigger winning margin would have helped us get an at large bid. Some of the stupidist stuff I ever read here (and that covers some pretty stupid stuff!!)

[Purple Haize]

That's called playing not to lose
If that's the case why not take a knee? I have no problem with that. Put your points on the board and play. Especially in this last game.

If the game were tied, it would be playing not to lose, and I would be äginnit¨. If you are ahead, it´s playing to WIN to run out the clock by taking knees when you can. After the Coastal game, there were guys on here saying Rashaad should have scored because a bigger winning margin would have helped us get an at large bid. Some of the stupidist stuff I ever read here (and that covers some pretty stupid stuff!!)

That's the thing. I'd rather take the 2 score lead. No lead is safe. But the bigger the lead the more safer it is
I remember the Coastal play. IMO I thought it was show boating which I am not opposed to but thought unnecessary at that time

[olldflame]

A 1 point lead is all you need and is plenty safe if you have the ball with a first down, they have no timeouts, and there is less than 1:45 on the clock. You take 3 knees and the game is over. I´m still waiting to hear of an example at the D1 or NFL level where a team ever lost a game when they did that under those circumstances. There has already been at least one game this year where a team came from behind by scoring, recovering an onside kick, and scoring again in less time than that, and it happens at least a few times every year. In the Air Force Bowl last year Houston scored 3 straight touchdowns to win the game without Pitt touching the ball on offense by recovering 2 straight onside kicks. Stuff like that is why if you have the lead and can run out the clock, you do it.

[Purple Haize]

A 1 point lead is all you need and is plenty safe if you have the ball with a first down, they have no timeouts, and there is less than 1:45 on the clock. You take 3 knees and the game is over. I´m still waiting to hear of an example at the D1 or NFL level where a team ever lost a game when they did that under those circumstances. There has already been at least one game this year where a team came from behind by scoring, recovering an onside kick, and scoring again in less time than that, and it happens at least a few times every year. In the Air Force Bowl last year Houston scored 3 straight touchdowns to win the game without Pitt touching the ball on offense by recovering 2 straight onside kicks. Stuff like that is why if you have the lead and can run out the clock, you do it.

Wouldn't the Giants have been up 2 scores if he had scored? Didn't Dallas only score once?

[bluejacket]

I´m still waiting to hear of an example at the D1 or NFL level where a team ever lost a game when they did that under those circumstances.

What exactly is the scenario?

[olldflame]

A 1 point lead is all you need and is plenty safe if you have the ball with a first down, they have no timeouts, and there is less than 1:45 on the clock. You take 3 knees and the game is over. I´m still waiting to hear of an example at the D1 or NFL level where a team ever lost a game when they did that under those circumstances. There has already been at least one game this year where a team came from behind by scoring, recovering an onside kick, and scoring again in less time than that, and it happens at least a few times every year. In the Air Force Bowl last year Houston scored 3 straight touchdowns to win the game without Pitt touching the ball on offense by recovering 2 straight onside kicks. Stuff like that is why if you have the lead and can run out the clock, you do it.

Wouldn't the Giants have been up 2 scores if he had scored? Didn't Dallas only score once?

The Giants game doesn´t fit the scenerio I was talking about. They just totally mismanaged the clock.

[olldflame]

I´m still waiting to hear of an example at the D1 or NFL level where a team ever lost a game when they did that under those circumstances.

What exactly is the scenario?

You have the ball
You have the lead (let´s say 4 points)
You have a first down
Your opponent has no timeouts
There is less than 1:45 to play
You go into your ¨victory¨ formation and endeavor to take 3 knees and run out the clock.

I´m wanting to know if a team has ever lost a game like that. I can´t recall one at the D1 or NFL level.

[Purple Haize]

I´m still waiting to hear of an example at the D1 or NFL level where a team ever lost a game when they did that under those circumstances.

What exactly is the scenario?

You have the ball
You have the lead (let´s say 4 points)
You have a first down
Your opponent has no timeouts
There is less than 1:45 to play
You go into your ¨victory¨ formation and endeavor to take 3 knees and run out the clock.

I´m wanting to know if a team has ever lost a game like that. I can´t recall one at the D1 or NFL level.

I wasn't debating that at all. In fact I think I said I'm ok with that.

That's called playing not to lose
If that's the case why not take a knee? I have no problem with that. Put your points on the board and play. Especially in this last game.

What I'm saying is that in a case like Coastal or the Giants game if you have a chance to score, which they did, you score. Not sure what you are debating

[bluejacket]

I don't think that that specific scenario has ever happened.

The closest that I know of is Fordham-Bucknell from 2013 (http://scores.espn.go.com/college-footb ... =333132230). Fordham was leading 23-21 and had the ball on first down at the Bucknell 35 yard line with :55 seconds to go in the 4th. Bucknell had 1 timeout left. Fordham fumbled the kneel down and Bucknell recovered. They drove the ball to the Fordham 20 and attempted the game winning field goal, but it was blocked as time expired.

[Purple Haize]

I don't think that that specific scenario has ever happened.

The closest that I know of is Fordham-Bucknell from 2013 (http://scores.espn.go.com/college-footb ... =333132230). Fordham was leading 23-21 and had the ball on first down at the Bucknell 35 yard line with :55 seconds to go in the 4th. Bucknell had 1 timeout left. Fordham fumbled the kneel down and Bucknell recovered. They drove the ball to the Fordham 20 and attempted the game winning field goal, but it was blocked as time expired.

Yeah I remember hearing about a handful of instances but I don't see anything wrong with the "Victory Formation". Telling someone with a clear shot at a TD NOT not score that TD is bad coaching

[olldflame]

But, by falling down at the 1, Rashaad put us in position to take those knees and put the gane away. Coastal had been shredding our defense, We were up 43-38. If he scores the TD, it´s 50-38 and we´re kicking off to them with 1:39 to play. A long shot for sure, but stranger things have happened.

[olldflame]

I don't think that that specific scenario has ever happened.

The closest that I know of is Fordham-Bucknell from 2013 (http://scores.espn.go.com/college-footb ... =333132230). Fordham was leading 23-21 and had the ball on first down at the Bucknell 35 yard line with :55 seconds to go in the 4th. Bucknell had 1 timeout left. Fordham fumbled the kneel down and Bucknell recovered. They drove the ball to the Fordham 20 and attempted the game winning field goal, but it was blocked as time expired.

Yeah I remember hearing about a handful of instances but I don't see anything wrong with the "Victory Formation". Telling someone with a clear shot at a TD NOT not score that TD is bad coaching

For the record, it was not a coaches decision. Rashaad said one of his O-Linemen suggested it in the huddle, and he decided to do it at the last second. Keep in mind, the only reason he was in that position was because once he had the first down, Coastal made no effort to stop him. They WANTED him to score because they knew it was their only chance to win the game. I´m pretty sure that WAS a coaches decision, although most would not admit to it. I don´t recall if Bennett did or not.

[flamesfilmguy]

Bennett praised RJ for his sportsmanship and smart play post game. He didn't mention anything about letting him score. I don't know how much of it was sportsmanship but it was an awesome game and a brilliant decision.

[Purple Haize]

But, by falling down at the 1, Rashaad put us in position to take those knees and put the gane away. Coastal had been shredding our defense, We were up 43-38. If he scores the TD, it´s 50-38 and we´re kicking off to them with 1:39 to play. A long shot for sure, but stranger things have happened.

ill always take a 12 point lead (2 possessions) over a over a 5 point lead (1 possession). Because if you are betting on strange things happening, I'd rather have to have 2 strange things than 1

[Purple Haize]

Bennett praised RJ for his sportsmanship and smart play post game. He didn't mention anything about letting him score. I don't know how much of it was sportsmanship but it was an awesome game and a brilliant decision.

It was an awesome game

[olldflame]

It´s not a comparison between 2 strange things and one strange thing. It´s between 2 strange things and one virtually impossible and unprecidented thing. Teams have come from 12 down to win in that amount of time on many occasions, but you need to have the ball to do it. BTW, until last year that was our only win at Coastal.

[Cider Jim]

Rashad's public apology: http://nypost.com/2015/09/16/rashad-jen ... e-bus-eli/