[ATrain]

When a player signs with a school, he should stay there for 4 years (unless he gets degree early). Granted, players do "play for the coach", but in reality they are playing for the team/school. If NCAA would crack down on transfers, it would help recruiting overall. When a player signs, he should be committed to that school. Players should not come and go as they choose. I may be in a minority on this stand, but I bet most coaches would agree with me.

While that would make the lives of most coaches easier and make fans happy, the NCAA doesn't exist to do that. The NCAA exists for the well being of the student-athlete first and foremost (at least, that's a major reason why it was created), not to generate profits for schools and not to make lives easier for coaches earning six-figure salaries.

[ballcoach15]

The NCAA now exists to make money for NCAA. Just look at salary of NCAA President. He's the most over paid individual in America. (UVA football coach is a close 2nd)

[olldflame]

Ballcoach looking at things too superficially. What a surprise.

Requiring a 4 year commitment to and by student athletes wouldn't necessarily make a coach's job easier. In some ways it would put more pressure on the recruiting process and cause coaches to shy away from taking chances with kids that may have upside, but are "projects" or carry off the court baggage. The current system allows players who don't work out at one place to move on, usually for the benefit of both parties.

During this millenium, I can only think of 3 players who have transferred out that significantly affected the program: David Dees, Seth Curry and Evan Gordon. Gielo could be number 4, depending on whether guys like Talbert or Karwawski can step up. BJ Jenkins, Patrick Konan and Chris Perez were players who figured in future plans, but weren't that hard to replace (enter John Brown, Jesse Sanders, etc.). Look at the others who left, and you see some good kids, but nobody who was going to help us much going forward.

Too much focus is being places on kids like Rowsey, Curry, Gordon and Hornsby who make a splash and want to move up. Those are the exception. There are more who transfer down a level, or make lateral moves to programs where they are a better fit. Take that away and we are stuck with the likes of Chad Donley, Asaad Woods, Armon Jones and Nate Campbell for 4 years. Dead wood on the roster, and probably not happy either because they would rather be somewhere they could get on the court. Others, like Chris Perez and BJ Jenkins, who realized when they got to Liberty that it wasn't the place for them, would be forced to stick it out 4 years at a place they don't want to be.

[ballcoach15]

When a player selects his school, he should select his school. It's not good having players move from school to school. make a decision and stick with it. We do not need free agency in college sports.

[ATrain]

When a player selects his school, he should select his school. It's not good having players move from school to school. make a decision and stick with it. We do not need free agency in college sports.

Life changes and you have to make adjustments. I know it's frustrating for you as a fan, but get over it.

[ballcoach15]

I am over it, but players should not be allowed to transfer except in very extreme circumstances.

[From the class of 09]

I am over it, but players should not be allowed to transfer except in very extreme circumstances.

Why? Regular students do all the time. Why not student athletes?

[alabama24]

I am over it, but players should not be allowed to transfer except in very extreme circumstances.

Why? Regular students do all the time. Why not student athletes?

I am in the middle on this one. If student athletes only get a one year agreement (as is largely the case now), they should be free to leave. If student athletes get a four year agreement (as I think they should... with provisions about grades and behavior...), they should not be allowed to transfer.

[SuperJon]

You guys act like there's not a penalty for transferring. You have to sit out a year. You practice, work out, and all the things required of a player without the benefit of getting to play in a game. That's a big penalty to transfer.

[lynchburgwildcats]

I am over it, but players should not be allowed to transfer except in very extreme circumstances.

Why? Regular students do all the time. Why not student athletes?

Don't you realize what some selfish fans want is more important than anything else?

[BJWilliams]

The NCAA needs to crack down hard on transfers, and eliminate 99% of them.

I disagree. Sometimes a student isn't the right fit for the school, there are family emergencies, etc...

this...what if a player signs with a school (say...Gonzaga) and then gets word his mother(God forbid) had a massive stroke and no one else is available to take care of her...or that his father has stage IV cancer or Alzheimers...or his sister and he rhusband are killed in a reak car accident and their young children are orphaned and that player is the one most capable of taking care of them Those are extreme examples, but a player should have the opportunity to move closer to home to be with/take care of business when these situations come up

[olldflame]

The NCAA needs to crack down hard on transfers, and eliminate 99% of them.

I disagree. Sometimes a student isn't the right fit for the school, there are family emergencies, etc...

this...what if a player signs with a school (say...Gonzaga) and then gets word his mother(God forbid) had a massive stroke and no one else is available to take care of her...or that his father has stage IV cancer or Alzheimers...or his sister and he rhusband are killed in a reak car accident and their young children are orphaned and that player is the one most capable of taking care of them Those are extreme examples, but a player should have the opportunity to move closer to home to be with/take care of business when these situations come up

Easy on the drama BJ.

These are the type of situations where the NCAA can and does grant waivers permitting a player to transfer and play IMMEDIATLY. It is ridiculous IMHO to suggest that such emergencies are the only valid reasons to transfer. Recruits are making decisions as to where they will attend school and play as 17-18 year old kids, and the evaluating and selection of players to sign at that age is also a bit of a crap shoot for coaches. To require both parties to live with those decisions for 4 years no matter how bad the fit turns out to be borders on abuse.

The current rule offers a balance by providing a disincentive in the one year residency requirement while allowing players to transfer without extenuating circumstances. It also allows coaches to evaluate where a player stands in the program annually and decide whether it is best to continue offering a scholarship or not. It may seem cruel to pull a scholarship, but in many if not most cases coaches go to great lengths behind the scenes to help the player hook up with another school where their services can be better used.

Schools actually do have the option of offering a 4 year contract. Virtually none do. I believe I read where one of the PAC-12 programs (possibly Stanford or Cal) is doing it because they think they can get higher level players than they otherwise would in a very competitive recruiting environment.

[ballcoach15]

I think most people having any connection to NCAA basketball will admit there are too many transfers.

[alabama24]

I think most people having any connection to NCAA basketball will admit there are too many transfers.

Since there is only a ONE YEAR commitment on the part of the school, why should there be more than a ONE YEAR commitment on the part of the player? I agree with you, but changes need to be made on both sides.

[VAGolf]

I am over it, but players should not be allowed to transfer except in very extreme circumstances.

Why? Regular students do all the time. Why not student athletes?

Don't you realize what some selfish fans want is more important than anything else?

This x 100.

[olldflame]

I think most people having any connection to NCAA basketball will admit there are too many transfers.

I think most people having any connection to NCAA basketball understand that short of going to a 4 year scholarship contract, the one year penalty is all that can be done to discourage transfers. The vast majority of both schools and players are against 4 year scholarships. When you are dealing with kids this age, it's just not a good idea for either party.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Yes, there are too many transfers. Everyone acts like it's a bunch of selfish players that only care about their stats that are transferring, but it's a two-way street. Many times coaches are just as at fault as the players are. There a whole lot of coaches out there that are liars and do unethical things live over recruiting and pulling scholarships citing injury despite the injury not being career ending.

Coaches lie left and right in the recruiting process. Telling or guaranteeing kids they will be starting or playing right away, will run the offense through them, will play an uptempo game, won't recruit someone at the same position, etc. to land these kids then they don't go through with their "guarantees." No kid should have to guarantee a four-year commitment if thy were lied to throughout their recruitment process.

Kids also shouldn't be required to stay somewhere four years if it's not a good fit. If a kid is a 6'7" back-to-the-basket power forward that goes to a school that, once already enrolled, eventually hires a new coach that runs a four-guard offense, there is no sense in staying at a school where your game doesn't fit the system and the coach won't refuses to adapt his system to fit the kid's game.

The problem is the type of players who go in expecting to be major contributors right away and that doesn't pan out, and instead of working hard to make it pan out, they just seek somewhere where it's easier. Shouldn't be punishing kids like a Seth Curry or Andrew Rowsey looking to seek tougher competition when they are clearly way better than the level they are playing at. We don't generally demonize a mid to low major head coach for leaving in the middle of a contract to go be the head coach of a high major, why is it such a sin when a mid to low major player leaves for big/bigger leagues?

[VAGolf]

Here is how things work at Stanford:

Freshman student has an idea and wants to pursue it and then proceeds to tell his academic adviser. Student then presents idea to dean. If dean approves idea, he allows the student to withdrawal from school and pursue the idea without having to payback a single loan until said product/idea comes to fruition. If things don't pan out, the school allows the student to pick up where they left off. Pepperdine is also imploring a similar model.

Schools are doing this because they are understanding that the value of a degree isn't NEARLY what it was even 5-10 years ago.

For the most part, college is a scam. There is no reason to imprison a kid because he made a commitment to play basketball at your school. You should feel PRIVILEGE that he even wants to play at your program, and you certainly shouldn't feel entitled to his future.

If schools like Stanford can embrace this on the academic side, it can and should be embraced on the athletic side.

[olldflame]

Bump.

Rowsey ended up transferring to Marquette. he´ll sit a year and have 2 years of eligibility left. Kinda ironic that Wojo buried John Dawson at the end of his bench and he ended up at a BSC school while he went after Rowsey full bore as soon as he knew he was transferring. At least from a numbers standpoint you could say Dawson´s schollie went to Rowsey. I think it will be interesting to see how their respective careers pan out.

[Purple Haize]

I wonder what type of culture shock Milwaukee will be from Asheville

[olldflame]

I wonder what type of culture shock Milwaukee will be from Asheville

Or Lexington for that matter.

[ballcoach15]

As I have maintained for several years, the NCAA needs to crack down on transfers.

[Cider Jim]

Ballcoach, this is college, not the Army. Rowsey didn't go AWOL.

[olldflame]

ballcoach talks about players transferring like it´s drug trafficking or something. ¨Crack down on it?¨ It´s a free country man. Just because you play a sport doesn´t mean you shouldn´t be able to change your mind about where you live and go to school. Funny thing is I haven´t heard him say anyting negative about all the softball players who will be leaving Liberty to make way for the better ones Dot has coming in this year.

[lynchburgwildcats]

As I have maintained for several years, the NCAA needs to crack down on transfers.

Sure, when they start cracking down on coach movement.

The average annual percentage of D-I teams with new head coaches (14.5) was higher than the average incoming transfer rate for four-year players (11.4). And in six of the eight seasons for which corresponding data was available, head coaches had a higher turnover rate than the player-transfer rate.
...
If a player's career spanned from the 2009-10 season to 2013-14, for example, 204 D-I head coaches—a number equal to 59.0% of the D-I membership—would have debuted during that time. The average four-year career in our study sample coincided with 190.1 head-coaching debuts, a number equal to 55.1% of the D-I membership.

Over the course of a player's standard, four-year college career, the likelihood is that there will be as many assistant-coach changes as there are assistant-coach positions in the program.

Any Hokie player who entered the program in 2009-10 or later and stayed a minimum of four seasons has endured at least seven assistant-coaching changes.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... sfer-study

But yes, cracking down on players transferring is such a great idea. They are already glorified feudal servants that are either not paid or underpaid (pending the stay to delay the Ed O'Bannon payments), let's punish them even further while a bunch of overpaid coaches can just leave for another school or pro team whenever they please without penalty.