[Sly Fox]

I'd happily be burned for a season or two. This alum still loves the Gordons!

[TIMSCAR20]

Obviously I'm a big fan of the Gordon family. I would love to see Eron in a Liberty Uniform. He is not going to play more than 2 years of college hoops wherever he goes. He is a bonifide projected NBA player. He played very well last night on ESPN U. It is amazing how much all the boys look like Eric Sr.

[olldflame]

When you think about it, the fact that he likely will play only 1 or 2 years in college no matter where he goes might actually play slightly in our favor. Having said that, I think this is a near lock for the Hoosiers, with Michigan having an outside chance.

[TIMSCAR20]

When you think about it, the fact that he likely will play only 1 or 2 years in college no matter where he goes might actually play slightly in our favor. Having said that, I think this is a near lock for the Hoosiers, with Michigan having an outside chance.

Well I would put Michigan and Indiana on about the same level in terms of his recruiting process. Jeff Meyer has a great relationship with Eric Sr.

[jcmanson]

Maybe he wants to play for a "small school" and put that school on the map i.e. Steph Curry.

[olldflame]

Maybe he wants to play for a "small school" and put that school on the map i.e. Steph Curry.

Steph didn't really have much of a choice coming out of HS, but he certainly could have transferred up after a year or 2 like Seth ended up doing. I think it was during the process of considering a transfer that the idea of helping put Davidson on the basketball map came to be. I may have missed something, but, while their coach continues to be well respected, the program seems to have returned to relative obscurity since Curry moved on to the NBA.

[TheGovernor]

Why?

Have I ever done something for no reason or let you down?

[bluejacket]

I would love it if he came to Liberty, but there's no way that he comes here. The same thing happened with Eric, Jr. Hopeful dreams.

[lynchburgwildcats]

He'd have a better chance of playing in the NCAA Tournament if he went to Liberty instead of Indiana.

[TheGovernor]

When I bumped this thread, I wasnt saying he is coming to Liberty, or that we have even offered him. I am just saying that he obviously has his Liberty ties, Ive heard from some people close that he has considered a small school to do what Steph, Gordon Hayward, Doug McD, and a few others have done before him. There is less concern about getting to the NBA from a small school since we are seeing all these guy get drafted and guys that have improved in their time in college (Elfrid Peyton). Please keep in mind that I said CONSIDERED. Kids this age look at a lot of different things running through their head. There have also been NUMEROUS schools that have backed off since Indiana got into the running. Someone else I know that talked to Eron talked about how Eron was confused as to why schools were backing out and said just because his brothers went there doesnt mean he automatically wants to. Not to say he wont end up there, but he does like weighing each of his options.

So why not try? If you land Gordon it changes who you can recruit and the outlook of your program forever. It would be the best thing to happen to your program since this kid we got from Philly, Tim Scarborough

[Bigsouthking]

Again this is a pointless thread.... when one brother attends LU and then transfers for greener pastures that obviously wasn't greener, why would a coaching staff revisited a sibling.

kill this thread move on to a better topic.

The Gordon's, The Curry's get over them.

[olldflame]

Again this is a pointless thread.... when one brother attends LU and then transfers for greener pastures that obviously wasn't greener, why would a coaching staff revisited a sibling.

kill this thread move on to a better topic.

The Gordon's, The Curry's get over them.

Not a valid comparison BSK. In the unlikely event he were to come to LU, Eron would almost certainly finish his college career there. If you look at the 4 players preceding Eron in those 2 families, they fall into 3 categories.

1. Seth C. and Evan G. both came to LU because they had no major college offers. Both "used" LU to establish D1 credentials and transferred up, hoping to be able to better develop and showcase their talents with the ultimate goal of an NBA career. Neither achieved that goal, although IMHO Seth still has a shot at it.

2. Steph C. went to Davidson because he too did not have major college offers out of HS. He was the big fish in the small pond for 3 years and put himself and his school on the map, becoming a lottery pick, NBA all-star and member of team USA.

3. Eric G. was one of the most sought after HS players in the country and had the attention of the NBA from the time he was a HS soph. Everyone knew he would be one and done and a high draft pick no matter where he chose to play in college, and that's exactly what happened. It is unlikely it would have been any different if he had gone to IU or LU.

Entering his Junior year of HS, Eron G. appears to be a similar talent to Eric. The pros already have him on their radar and unless he has a major setback like a serious injury, it's unlikely he will play more than 2 years of college basketball. I agree it's a long shot, but what we don't know and likely never will is what kind of conversations may Evan and his dad have had about LU with Eron present. Has Evan ever expressed regret about leaving Liberty? I see no reason not to offer Eron and recruit him.

[olldflame]

I'm surprised it hasn't come up yet, but as it stands now, Eron, who has transferred this year from North Central HS to Cathedral HS, will be ineligible to play this year due to what the comissioner of the IHSAA referred to as "as blatent an athletic transfer as their has ever been." The Gordon family is appealing the ruling.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/hi ... /13018373/

More on this situation

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/hi ... /13415669/

[bluejacket]

Is there any hard evidence that he is interested in Liberty? No, just hearsay and leaping to conclusions. The same thing happened with his brother.

[olldflame]

Is there any hard evidence that he is interested in Liberty? No, just hearsay and leaping to conclusions. The same thing happened with his brother.

Interested? No, no hard evidence at this point, but if WE haven't shown the interest in HIM to offer him a scholarship, why should he be. We have had people on here say we should have recruited certain players just because they were from Virginia when they were not only not interested, but would have been a horrible fit at LU. Here is a terrific talent who comes from a solid christian home and has a dad and a brother who played for LU. IMHO this is a no brainer. Regardless of how slim we feel our chances may be we need to offer him and show him we want him at Liberty.

[bluejacket]

Is there any hard evidence that he is interested in Liberty? No, just hearsay and leaping to conclusions. The same thing happened with his brother.

Interested? No, no hard evidence at this point, but if WE haven't shown the interest in HIM to offer him a scholarship, why should he be. We have had people on here say we should have recruited certain players just because they were from Virginia when they were not only not interested, but would have been a horrible fit at LU. Here is a terrific talent who comes from a solid christian home and has a dad and a brother who played for LU. IMHO this is a no brainer. Regardless of how slim we feel our chances may be we need to offer him and show him we want him at Liberty.

If we haven't offered, then we are incredibly stupid. I don't know if we have offered or not and haven't seen anything to suggest that we have. It would be earth shattering for us to get him.

I am referring to random "bumps" which infer that something has changed in our favor, when no one can show any proof that something has changed in our favor, that we have offered him, or that he is interested in us. So far it has just been hearsay. If something actually happens publicly (He says something like "Hey, I like Liberty a lot", talks about us offering him, or something along those lines), then there is something to talk about. Right now its status quo until further notice.

[olldflame]

We have not offered Eron.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/liberty

We have offered 3 other guards from the class of 2016 who have nothing like his talent and no apparent connection to Liberty. Go figure. We need to get out of the mindset where we think of ourselves as not good enough for a kid like this. Yes, we should continue to pursue the more "realistic" prospects, but we need to be shooting for the stars as well when there is a connection like this and/or the young man is an outspoken Christian.

[bluejacket]

I agree, with some qualifications. We are ordinarily not good enough to get a kid like this. However, we have connections with him and that should encourage us to recruit/offer Gordon. Recruit him aggressively, offer him, and do as much as possible to get him to Liberty. But we should not expect to get him.

[Purple Haize]

I think we have seen that recruiting is not a strong suit with this staff

[olldflame]

I think we have seen that recruiting is not a strong suit with this staff

We've been saying that for years, and not without reason. In fairness however, I think it should be said that there has been a 50% turnover of staff in the last 2 years. It would appear, based on their backgrounds, that the 2 newest assistants, Walden and Mance, were hired largely for their recruiting prowess. This recruiting class is the first with the current staff. Obviously, we have already taken a hit with a non-qualifier and a defector, but it still has the potential to be really good.

[Purple Haize]

I think we have seen that recruiting is not a strong suit with this staff

We've been saying that for years, and not without reason. In fairness however, I think it should be said that there has been a 50% turnover of staff in the last 2 years. It would appear, based on their backgrounds, that the 2 newest assistants, Walden and Mance, were hired largely for their recruiting prowess. This recruiting class is the first with the current staff. Obviously, we have already taken a hit with a non-qualifier and a defector, but it still has the potential to be really good.

That's the Liberty Spirit! Say how good the new staff is and brag on their recruiting prowess, only to turn around and say we lost 2 of our best recruits, then turn around and say we have 'potential' to be good

[bluejacket]

That's the Liberty Spirit! Say how good the new staff is and brag on their recruiting prowess, only to turn around and say we lost 2 of our best recruits, then turn around and say we have 'potential' to be good

[olldflame]

I just don't think we can judge the current staff by the shortcomings of their predecessors. If this class turns out to be a flop, I think we can say we still aren't getting it done on the recruiting end. With recruits you are always talking about "potential" until they show what they can (or can't) do at this level.

I would not say we "lost" Allen. While it wasn't public knowledge, our staff obviously knew he had not qualified, but took a calculated risk that he would pull something off because he has upside due to his athleticism (even though his game is actually pretty limited). He didn't. If he had, he would be at LU now. Kid had a panorama of the Vines at the top of his twitter til the day he announced he was signing at Tallahassee CC. Looks more and more like we are going to hold onto that scholarship for next year.

Bonds is another matter. Did we do everything we could once he signed to keep him excited about Liberty? Hard to know. By NCAA rules our coaches had little to no involvement in his workouts with his teammates when he came for summer school, so I'm not sure what they could have done at that point. I'm beginning to suspect more and more that Braxton may have actually decided to leave before he arrived, possibly when he became aware (or was made aware) that UT didn't have a scholarship PG on their roster.

[Purple Haize]

I just don't think we can judge the current staff by the shortcomings of their predecessors. If this class turns out to be a flop, I think we can say we still aren't getting it done on the recruiting end. With recruits you are always talking about "potential" until they show what they can (or can't) do at this level.

I would not say we "lost" Allen. While it wasn't public knowledge, our staff obviously knew he had not qualified, but took a calculated risk that he would pull something off because he has upside due to his athleticism (even though his game is actually pretty limited). He didn't. If he had, he would be at LU now. Kid had a panorama of the Vines at the top of his twitter til the day he announced he was signing at Tallahassee CC. Looks more and more like we are going to hold onto that scholarship for next year.

Bonds is another matter. Did we do everything we could once he signed to keep him excited about Liberty? Hard to know. By NCAA rules our coaches had little to no involvement in his workouts with his teammates when he came for summer school, so I'm not sure what they could have done at that point. I'm beginning to suspect more and more that Braxton may have actually decided to leave before he arrived, possibly when he became aware (or was made aware) that UT didn't have a scholarship PG on their roster.

Your last 2 paragraphs discount your first paragraph.
We landed a kid who was a questionable qualifier, knowing full well he was a questionable qualifier. And now he is gone. That's on this staff
We landed a kid who spent 72 hours on campus. We lost him. That is on this staff.
And then you make excuses about the inability of our coaches to retain players, which is what you criticized them for earlier.

While past performance doesn't mean future results it sure can be a solid predictor

[bluejacket]

The departures of Bonds and Allen are on this staff, regardless of how long the coaches have been here.