[thepostman]

I hope you're wrong, but you're probably right. It doesn't really change anything in my mind.

I am not sure how doing anything with Benny Hinn could possibly be seen as something that would blow over. Maybe beej can talk to his good friend to get this thing all figured out.

[birchbark]

Let me tell you something. There is zero, and I mean ZERO chance that Godwin went and did this infomercial without telling anyone and nobody from the university knew. That sort of thing just doesn't happen. He's the PROVOST of the university. All the latest statement is, is making sure the right (wrong) guy gets thrown under the bus and not Godwin.

People and organizations do stuff all the time that they just figure people won't really notice. When they get caught, they issue statements. If you look at the track record of the person in question here, it shouldn't surprise anyone...

Although...it appears that Reber and Godwin have their own connection - and perhaps that connection trumps the caution he should have had as a representative of Liberty University. So considering the person in question - it wouldn't surprise me if he DID act independently.

[veritas55]

Another update, this time a personal note by Godwin:
http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

[veritas55]

I agree, Godwin had to be acting independent of the University, and he pretty much indicates this in HIS official statement. If he had been involved with the permission of LU, he would have known Reber's contractual rights. For him to plead ignorance says he was on his own.

http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... MID=116272

The point is, Liberty University is not involved. This will blow over.

In any other business, if someone did what Godwin did, he'd be gone by now.

Not true on the timing. He WILL be gone, but when you are second in charge and have as much history with LU as he does, it will take longer than a couple of days. My guess is that they will need to meet with the Board of Directors and decide who will replace him. They may even let him resign at the end of the year. However, you don't just fire your provost in a couple of days. It will take time, but it will happen.

[veritas55]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

BJ... There are few who are in your corner on this issue. I'd imagine that even your aforementioned good friend has looked at ways to get Godwin out of the school. He is an unpopular figure among people who have been around for a while, as well as many of the faculty. Why do you even bother?

This is true. Also, it seems likely he will be fired (or will "retire").

[jbock13]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

This is always your defense on every single one of these issues. "You don't like something about the university? Well at least I'm not gonna destroy it!" Nothing but good old fashioned red herrings.

It's obvious what happened here and if the correct decision is not made I certainly hope people will reconsider their means of support, whatever that may be.

[veritas55]

Let me tell you something. There is zero, and I mean ZERO chance that Godwin went and did this infomercial without telling anyone and nobody from the university knew. That sort of thing just doesn't happen. He's the PROVOST of the university. All the latest statement is, is making sure the right (wrong) guy gets thrown under the bus and not Godwin.

People and organizations do stuff all the time that they just figure people won't really notice. When they get caught, they issue statements. If you look at the track record of the person in question here, it shouldn't surprise anyone...

Although...it appears that Reber and Godwin have their own connection - and perhaps that connection trumps the caution he should have had as a representative of Liberty University. So considering the person in question - it wouldn't surprise me if he DID act independently.

The latest update (a note from Godwin) says that he didn't talk to anyone before appearing on the show.
"Because of the urgency of the request and the assurances by Mr. Reber that he had been authorized since 2009 by Liberty University to sell Liberty University Institute of Biblical Studies courses via Benny Hinn Ministries, I agreed without hesitation to appear on the Benny Hinn TV show with the understanding that I would have the opportunity to confirm what I believed at that time to be true: That Liberty University does grant college credit for Institute of Biblical Studies courses successfully completed."
This statement suggests he did it on his own without really clearing it from anyone. It is also complete BS. He is the Provost! He has 5k employees under him! And he had to fly to LA to be on the Benny Hinn program! He makes it sound like he did not have the time or resources to check on this before it happened. The whole thing sounds like Godwin screwed up big time.

[Purple Haize]

Let me tell you something. There is zero, and I mean ZERO chance that Godwin went and did this infomercial without telling anyone and nobody from the university knew. That sort of thing just doesn't happen. He's the PROVOST of the university. All the latest statement is, is making sure the right (wrong) guy gets thrown under the bus and not Godwin.

People and organizations do stuff all the time that they just figure people won't really notice. When they get caught, they issue statements. If you look at the track record of the person in question here, it shouldn't surprise anyone...

Although...it appears that Reber and Godwin have their own connection - and perhaps that connection trumps the caution he should have had as a representative of Liberty University. So considering the person in question - it wouldn't surprise me if he DID act independently.

The latest update (a note from Godwin) says that he didn't talk to anyone before appearing on the show.
"Because of the urgency of the request and the assurances by Mr. Reber that he had been authorized since 2009 by Liberty University to sell Liberty University Institute of Biblical Studies courses via Benny Hinn Ministries, I agreed without hesitation to appear on the Benny Hinn TV show with the understanding that I would have the opportunity to confirm what I believed at that time to be true: That Liberty University does grant college credit for Institute of Biblical Studies courses successfully completed."
This statement suggests he did it on his own without really clearing it from anyone. It is also complete BS. He is the Provost! He has 5k employees under him! And he had to fly to LA to be on the Benny Hinn program! He makes it sound like he did not have the time or resources to check on this before it happened. The whole thing sounds like Godwin screwed up big time.

Exactly. It wasn't like he was making breaking news. The majority of his stuff is shown tape delayed. Also, are we to believe he just left for LA without telling anyone?
Who paid for the ticket? Did he use personal or University funds? If he used University funds wouldn't that be a misappropriation? Why use University funds if he was doing this on his own? Did he use Falwell 1? If so, how could no one know. If Reber footed the bill are we to believe Godwin told no one, just decided not to show up for work? This is shadier then a palm grove in the Amazon

[Purple Haize]

It gets more laughable and less believable all of the time. He's the provost and he doesn't realize people don't get university credit for this garbage???

He's just used to thing being what he says they are. He probably can't grasp why he said something and it didn't come to pass

[veritas55]

It gets more laughable and less believable all of the time. He's the provost and he doesn't realize people don't get university credit for this garbage???

He's just used to thing being what he says they are. He probably can't grasp why he said something and it didn't come to pass

I'm just glad that Liberty is distancing itself from him very quickly, which is important for maintaining the integrity of the institution. For me, they can't fire him fast enough. This whole thing is toxic, and has his fingerprints are all over it. It seems more and more like he did this on his own. I am kind of relieved, because he overstayed his welcome a while ago. His negligence in this situation is astounding. Liberty looks like it was caught off guard, but is responding appropriately and quickly. The next thing to do is fire him.

[Kolzilla41]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

BJ... There are few who are in your corner on this issue. I'd imagine that even your aforementioned good friend has looked at ways to get Godwin out of the school. He is an unpopular figure among people who have been around for a while, as well as many of the faculty. Why do you even bother?

Hey Beej,

Where have I stated that ? I suggest you go back and read what I've posted on this. Things said like that have a slanderous undertone.

[birchbark]

It gets more laughable and less believable all of the time. He's the provost and he doesn't realize people don't get university credit for this garbage???

He's just used to thing being what he says they are. He probably can't grasp why he said something and it didn't come to pass

I'm just glad that Liberty is distancing itself from him very quickly, which is important for maintaining the integrity of the institution. For me, they can't fire him fast enough. This whole thing is toxic, and has his fingerprints are all over it. It seems more and more like he did this on his own. I am kind of relieved, because he overstayed his welcome a while ago. His negligence in this situation is astounding. Liberty looks like it was caught off guard, but is responding appropriately and quickly. The next thing to do is fire him.

You speak the truth - Liberty University is wise to distance itself from Godwin. No good can come from letting him stay on as Provost.

[Purple Haize]

Where is there any indication that Liberty is distancing itself from Godwin?

[Purple Haize]

Don't tell that to PH...I think the only acceptable solution in his book is Godwin gets fired otherwise he leads the charge to torch the school (with postie and flamerbob joining him on the frontline)

BJ... There are few who are in your corner on this issue. I'd imagine that even your aforementioned good friend has looked at ways to get Godwin out of the school. He is an unpopular figure among people who have been around for a while, as well as many of the faculty. Why do you even bother?

Hey Beej,

Where have I stated that ? I suggest you go back and read what I've posted on this. Things said like that have a slanderous undertone.

Bob...embrace the It. Is. Your destiny.......

[thepostman]

Sounds like a man that isn't worried about losing his job which is a shame. How is this man our provost!???

[birchbark]

Where is there any indication that Liberty is distancing itself from Godwin?

For credibility sake, it seems logical that the University has to distance itself. Godwin made a mistake - fair enough - but the heart of the matter is that he made the choice to publicly represent the university in a way that damages the credibility of his position and the university.

[thepostman]

Liberty has done nothing to distance themselves from him. There is really only one way that could happen. Words mean very little.

[Purple Haize]

Where is there any indication that Liberty is distancing itself from Godwin?

For credibility sake, it seems logical that the University has to distance itself. Godwin made a mistake - fair enough - but the heart of the matter is that he made the choice to publicly represent the university in a way that damages the credibility of his position and the university.

The odds of him getting fired are 0. The odds of him being 'retired' are much greater but still probably not over 50%

[thepostman]

this helps clear it all up...haha

http://www.pajamapages.com/an-attempt-t ... niversity/

[Purple Haize]

this helps clear it all up...haha

http://www.pajamapages.com/an-attempt-t ... niversity/

If you take time to parse it out it is pretty interesting and damning.

I guess Godwin is the Uncle no one talks about....

[veritas55]

Liberty has done nothing to distance themselves from him. There is really only one way that could happen. Words mean very little.

True, but these things take time when talking about the provost and a member of the university for 20 years. You don't just put a pink slip in his mailbox or eliminate his position. Liberty has done much to distance itself in the response. Three times in the Q and A response they write "Dr. Godwin was mistaken". There are better ways to make that statement if you are concerned with the reputation of the person to which it is referring. You typically don't write words like that about a provost if you think that person will be staying in that capacity. There are similar quirks in the response along those same lines. The clues are there...
You are correct: talk is cheap. However, this kind of action takes time and planning in order to prevent chaos. If Godwin still has a job come fall semester, then outrage is appropriate.

[TH Spangler]

Maybe Hinn will complete Dr. Wilmington's course. That might solve many problems

[Purple Haize]

Maybe Hinn will complete Dr. Wilmington's course. That might solve many problems :I chortle audibly.:

Only if its written in the tongues of Men and Angels. ( too parochial ?)

[Humble_Opinion]

The question I have is, if LU decided to give the program over to someone else (Reber), why would we still accept transfer credits from an unaccredited program that we no longer operate? That doesn't make any sense to me...

The worst part of the video is when Benny Hinn grabs a copy of the Certificate/Degree with the words "Liberty University" emblazoned across the top. Aside from the smaller writing, the certificate in that picture is at first glance exactly like the Bachelor's degree I hold. I'm a defender of the university, but I am having a hard time with this one...

[SumItUp]

There is no shortage of LU representation on AGS, CS & CSNbbs during football season.

I have been watching those forums all last season up to present and LU is not represented in force like other schools do. I know you and a few others post all over but you're the minority.

Do not mistake post #'s with representation. Also, it is a good idea to avoid getting into the automatic "defense" mode on those boards. After you've visited the boards for a few years, you will know what I mean.