[DB89]

Honest question: what is Tebow's record as a starting NFL quarterback?

[jbock13]

Ben Roethlisberger, lets look at him. Never has a pretty stat line, but what does he do? Win. Tell me how successful his career has been? Or was it just luck?

Tebow and Roethlisberger? Really? That's a laughable comparison.

At no point did I ever say Tebow is as good as Roethlisberger. What I did say, is that he wins.

[4everfsu]

CFL's fields are larger the NFL, and that would not help Timmy in his passing game.

[jbock13]

Honest question: what is Tebow's record as a starting NFL quarterback?

15-9. From what I can gather.

[4everfsu]

How can that be, he was a starting QB for only one season and not even a full season.

[TDDance234]

I'm still baffled by his lack of interest. In an era where the read-option has become a staple of the playbook, Tebow can't get a sniff anywhere? The media circus that follows him everywhere is the reason why, IMO. The read option was tailor made for him.

[ALUmnus]

Two things baffle me on both sides:

1. Why does everyone take all credit away from the guy for winning? All you hear is "he had to have so many other things go right for them to get those wins". Really, in a team sport other things besides the qb play have to go right in order to get a win? First time I've ever heard that one. /sarcasm

2. The guy has had three years now to get better. How has he not improved at playing the qb position? I keep hearing about work ethic (which I totally believe he has), but where's the improvement? He's had tons of time and tons of help to get better at throwing the ball. Why hasn't it happened?


On a side note, Tebow was a money-machine in Denver. How that doesn't make an owner somewhere salivate is beyond me.

[bballfan84]

For all of the humility that people praise Tebow for, he's being pretty arrogant in refusing to change positions.

what? one has nothing to do with the other.

I think it's arrogant to continue to think someone should give you a shot at playing a position that everyone knows you won't be successful at. He had his shot and it didn't work. It's arrogant to think he knows better than anyone else. He's by all accounts an incredible person and Christian but I feel as though this one act is arrogant. I don't say that as an indictment on him, just this situation.

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[Purple Haize]

On a side note, Tebow was a money-machine in Denver. How that doesn't make an owner somewhere salivate is beyond me.

Or Tebow for that matter If he were to play another position and be successful that would launch his story onto another level. Isn't it Rick Ankiel who used to be a pitcher and now plays outfield? Imagine that with Tebows popularity! HUGE!

[RubberMallet]

not at all, it's just odd that all he has ever done was win, and that hasn't seemed to be good enough.

That's exactly why you don't attribute a team stat to an individual (just like giving wins to pitchers in baseball). Tebow is arguably the worst QB statistically in NFL history to get as much playing time as he did. He's a great leader, but a putrid QB.

The run in Denver was fun, and inexplicable on a number of levels, but that's over now and most likely so is Tebow in the NFL.

Except this "team stat" (W-L) has an exact A/B comparison. The B being Orton as the starter. Too much of a sample size to chalk it up to just being inexplicable. I'm also not going to claim some cliche like "he just wins" or something like that but everybody is just too quick to ignore that season. He's not the traditional QB that most would want and I understand why you wouldn't want to build your team around that, but playing unorthodox doesn't mean you can't be successful over the long course of a game. I think he proved that, and really wasn't ever given the chance for that to be proved wrong.

do we need to go through this again? the defense got back 2 probowl starters and the emergence of von miller almost the exact same time timmy got the job. they went from allowing 20+ pts a game to into low teens. plust we are talking about kyle orton.

unothodox generally has a short lifespan in the nfl. example, tim tebow. in college you can find a niche and be successful over long periods of time. because there are 100's of colleges you can play for. one of them has a coaching style that fits. the nfl is a different animal with alot smarter coaches and staffs.

tebow was certainly a catalyst but when you are scoring 10-17 pts a game as an offense and still winning, i'm not going to at all say "he just wins" that would be asinine. see Craig Krenzel. there was a point in time where the bears were killing everyone and he was their starter. it was his rookie year after a dominating college career. HE JUST WINS HE JUST WINS...until the defense had a few injuries and then they started getting obliterated.

[JK37]

2. The guy has had three years now to get better. How has he not improved at playing the qb position? I keep hearing about work ethic (which I totally believe he has), but where's the improvement? He's had tons of time and tons of help to get better at throwing the ball. Why hasn't it happened?

This is a legitimate question, and one I've been asking myself. Here's what I've come up with so far:

He was picked far earlier than expected by Denver, i.e., he came at a higher price than valued. The Jets paid, too. In both situations, when a high price was paid, a greater return was expected, and in a shorter amount of time.

Everyone knew what his shortcomings were coming out of college; but how much time has he really had to work on those shortocmings? Think of the number of far more talented passers that have come out of college and needed 2-3 years to prepare for the NFL level. Aaron Rodgers comes to mind, and he prepared while waiting for Favre to move on. Tebow has been pressed into action so quickly, he hasn't had time to truly develop.

Now, I hope he goes to an established winner with a star QB who he can back-up, and from whom he can learn. (Example: New England.) He can play 10 snaps or more a game in a different role - as long as it doesn't stunt his QB development - while learning to play QB in the NFL without the pressure that came from backing-up poor QB's like Orton and Sanchez.

He could also do the same by going to the CFL for a couple years, then trying the NFL again. For his sake, he needs to get out from under the media spotlight and microscope. But he has been such a polarizing figure that I'm not sure that's possible to the degree necessary for him to develop properly.

[adam42381]

Honest question: what is Tebow's record as a starting NFL quarterback?

15-9. From what I can gather.

Tebow is 8-6 as a starter.

[jbock13]

Honest question: what is Tebow's record as a starting NFL quarterback?

15-9. From what I can gather.

Tebow is 8-6 as a starter.

Sorry, I looked it up on my phone and should have double checked it.

[Purple Haize]

You can't trust the Interwebs. Especially on a phone!

[lynchburgwildcats]

He's a backup quarterback that accounted for zero touchdowns last year. Give me a ring when someone relevant is discussed.

[NotAJerry]

That's exactly why you don't attribute a team stat to an individual (just like giving wins to pitchers in baseball). Tebow is arguably the worst QB statistically in NFL history to get as much playing time as he did. He's a great leader, but a putrid QB.

The run in Denver was fun, and inexplicable on a number of levels, but that's over now and most likely so is Tebow in the NFL.

Except this "team stat" (W-L) has an exact A/B comparison. The B being Orton as the starter. Too much of a sample size to chalk it up to just being inexplicable. I'm also not going to claim some cliche like "he just wins" or something like that but everybody is just too quick to ignore that season. He's not the traditional QB that most would want and I understand why you wouldn't want to build your team around that, but playing unorthodox doesn't mean you can't be successful over the long course of a game. I think he proved that, and really wasn't ever given the chance for that to be proved wrong.

Look at the 2 teams that got to play Tebow a 2nd time.

Second game against KC he put up 27% passing for 60 yards with 0 TD and 1 INT. 6 carries for 16 yards. He couldn't even complete passes to the other team and his rushing was stopped.
Second game against NE he put up 34% passing for 136 yards with 0 TD and 0 INT. 5 carries for 13 yards. Once again he couldn't do anything once a team got a second shot at him.

Once people got a look he got destroyed. He's so bad that the Jets, with nothing that even slightly resembles an NFL QB, wouldn't put him on the field at QB under any circumstances. As a passer he makes Rex Grossman look like a HOF QB.

The run in Denver was fun, but even in that he completed more than 50% of his passes 2 times. The improvement during the Denver run was their defense taking a major step forward which continued into last season.

BTW, the "he just wins" meme doesn't work either. During the 2011 run, Denver backed into the playoffs losing their last 3 regular season games and still getting into the playoffs.

[NotAJerry]

Honest question: what is Tebow's record as a starting NFL quarterback?

15-9. From what I can gather.

Tebow is 8-6 as a starter.

9-7 if you include the playoffs.

[4everfsu]

Timmy where is the beef?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/92282 ... w-contract

[HenryGale]

The offers are pouring in:

Here's hoping Tim Tebow has developed a taste for women's undergarments ... because TMZ has learned, the teamless QB has just been offered a new job with the "Lingerie" Football League.

The LFL -- now known as Legends Football League -- sent Tebow's agent a letter moments ago, offering the former Jets QB a swanky new coaching position ... after the Jets fired his jerk this morning.

LFL President Mitchell Mortaza writes, "Now that it appears Mr. Tim Tebow's career in the National Football League may be coming to an end, we at Legends Football League would like to extend him an offer to become our Quarterbacks Coach nationally."

The letter doesn't explain Tim's duties or how much he'd be getting paid ... but it's better than nothing.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/04/29/tim-tebow ... z2RzrHWeBl
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[LUGrad2000]

Jacksonville should give Tebow a shot. They have nothing to loose, other than their local blackouts. They might even sell enough tickets to take the tarp off the upper deck! Their GM said no way, so that means we will see them move to L.A. In the near future.

[4everfsu]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/92346 ... ot-cut-cfl

[ALUmnus]

I love Warren Moon as a player, but as a thinker he's a race-baiting buffoon.

[adam42381]

I think Warren Moon is spot on in his assessment of Tebow. You have to be able to throw the ball consistently in the CFL. Fewer downs and a larger field aren't good for a guy who can't complete 50% of his passes.

[NotAJerry]

I think Moon is right about Tebow, but lets look at Moon's first 3 NFL seasons when he was 28-30 and already had 6 years of pro experience in the CFL. 54.4% completions, 40 TD, 59 INT. More INT than TD in each season, completion % dropped each season, and took 134 sacks during his first 3 seasons. He didn't have a QB rating over 80 until his 5th NFL season at age 32. He didn't complete 60% of his passes in a season until he was 33. Moon also had only 1 season of 60% completions in his 6 CFL seasons.

If anyone knows about not being a good enough passer for the NFL, it's Warren Moon until he was in his early 30s.

[adam42381]

I think Moon is right about Tebow, but lets look at Moon's first 3 NFL seasons when he was 28-30 and already had 6 years of pro experience in the CFL. 54.4% completions, 40 TD, 59 INT. More INT than TD in each season, completion % dropped each season, and took 134 sacks during his first 3 seasons. He didn't have a QB rating over 80 until his 5th NFL season at age 32. He didn't complete 60% of his passes in a season until he was 33. Moon also had only 1 season of 60% completions in his 6 CFL seasons.

If anyone knows about not being a good enough passer for the NFL, it's Warren Moon until he was in his early 30s.

Different era. Guys weren't nearly as accurate back then as they are now due to rules changes favoring the offense. You can't fairly evaluate a guy who played before in the 70's or 80's to guys who are active today (I know Moon and Marino played until the 90's/early 2000's). A guy who completed less than 50% of his passes could still keep his job back then. Heck, Joe Namath completed 50.1% for his career and threw 173 TDs to go with 220 INT and a 65.5 QB rating for his career. Now, it doesn't work that way.

Examples of other highly regarded quarterbacks who had similar stats at the same age as Moon:

John Elway's age 28-30 seasons: 55.9% completions, 50 TD, 51 INT. QB rating under 80 all 3 seasons. Didn't complete 60% until he was 33 years old.

Dan Marino's age 28-30 seasons: 57.2% completions, 70 TD, 46 INT. QB rating over 80 in 2 of those seasons with a high of 85.8. Did not complete 60% of his passes during any season between 1987 and 1992.

Terry Bradshaw's age 28-30 seaons: 52.7% completions, 55 TD, 48 INT. QB rating over 80 in 1 of those seasons. Never completed more than 57.7% of his passes in a season.