[Purple Haize]

Your dealing in hypotheticals PH.... I said before LU needs athletes, they have no Smittys that can play above the rim, I agree Rowsey would help LU, but he isn't the difference maker LU needs to win a Championship next season. And why bring in local walk ons when LU is full of intramural walk on legends....

You are dealing in hypotheticals as well.
I agree that LU needs athletes, but I think Rowsey would have been a huge impact player
Who said anything about walk ons? I'm talking about recruiting a kid that can make the roster of a low D1, which is currently LU's status.
2 Star kid from Houston or a 2 star kid from AltaVista? (That's hypothetical). I say the AltaVista kid all day long. 3 Star from Miami or 2.5 Star from Heritage? Heritage. That gets people interested in your program locally.

[Bigsouthking]

PH -- I already told you Rowsey wasn't coming, non religious family... 2.5 in Altavista sucks compared to a 3 star in Houston or Florida or NC.. Local people come from TRBC, Not from the Rural area of Altavista.... Early post I said 2 players LU should have tried to get locals Darren White and Nick Barbour....difference makers!!
<------ that's what it feels like talking to you

[Purple Haize]

PH -- I already told you Rowsey wasn't coming, non religious family... 2.5 in Altavista sucks compared to a 3 star in Houston or Florida or NC.. Local people come from TRBC, Not from the Rural area of Altavista.... Early post I said 2 players LU should have tried to get locals Darren White and Nick Barbour....difference makers!!
<------ that's what it feels like talking to you

I was unaware they had different rating for different States. So Texas is on one scale and VA is on another. I bet that gets confusing at AAU tournaments over the summer.

There is a huge difference between a TRBC'r and someone Local. I mean if you think we are arguing about LCA kids, not LCS, or local high schools no wonder you feel
Did I say not to go after difference makers locally? I don't seem to recall that. You sure do assume an awful lot.

[logic]

The simple fact is that most local kids do not want to stay close to home. In the majority of cases it is a waste of time and resources to recruit them. Winning is the recipe for creating interest in a program, not "local" talent.

[Bigsouthking]

How do you know he was interested in LU?? -- LU had NO chance in signing Rowsey... thats a FACT![/quote]

wrong[/quote]

Wrong about what?? I know the details of this Rowsey recruitment inside and out...

And PH is a girl's coach? If that's true that explains his post... (I would talk crazy to if I had to watch double dribbles and missed lay ups every day)

[Purple Haize]

The simple fact is that most local kids do not want to stay close to home. In the majority of cases it is a waste of time and resources to recruit them. Winning is the recipe for creating interest in a program, not "local" talent.

And you know this how? There are a lot of kids who WANT to stay close to home. Read the reasons a lot of these kids give for the schools they choose. After National Exposure and Chance to Win a Championship is......be close to home. It's true look it up.
Winning is important but not the only thing. It's about building a strong. Fan base during good times and bad. Having a connection to the local community is one great way to do that.
I think the Upward Basketball books even say that

[ballah09]

are you kidding? not coming because of non religious family? Rowsey is a liberty kid himself. don't believe me? read his twitter yourself. he's been on campus a couple of times. has friends here etc. and he did in FACT expressed interested.

[logic]

If a kid wants to stay close to home he's going UVA / Tech first, so why not get the kids who want to get away?

[Purple Haize]

are you kidding? not coming because of non religious family? Rowsey is a liberty kid himself. don't believe me? read his twitter yourself. he's been on campus a plenty of times. has friends here etc. and he did in FACT expressed interested.

How can that be a fact when BSK the All Knowing says its not
I mean why take the kids word for it when an anonymous source says otherwise. You are soooo gullible

[ballah09]

How do you know he was interested in LU?? -- LU had NO chance in signing Rowsey... thats a FACT!

wrong[/quote]

Wrong about what?? I know the details of this Rowsey recruitment inside and out...

And PH is a girl's coach? If that's true that explains his post... (I would talk crazy to if I had to watch double dribbles and missed lay ups every day)[/quote]


yeah i know his AAU coach.

[Purple Haize]

If a kid wants to stay close to home he's going UVA / Tech first, so why not get the kids who want to get away?

Says who? I mean based on the amount of effort we put into the CTR (or CRR in this case) you have a point. But why not change it?

[logic]

These are the kids we need to find. 7 footers on Indiana's roster from Sudan with 35 kids in their family. He would be right at home at LU, and from a Christian high school no less. Forget local, SUDAN BABY!

http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-bask ... 14319.html

[Purple Haize]

These are the kids we need to find. 7 footers on Indiana's roster from Sudan with 35 kids in their family. He would be right at home at LU, and from a Christian high school no less.

http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-bask ... 14319.html

We used to do that.

[ballah09]

are you kidding? not coming because of non religious family? Rowsey is a liberty kid himself. don't believe me? read his twitter yourself. he's been on campus a plenty of times. has friends here etc. and he did in FACT expressed interested.

How can that be a fact when BSK the All Knowing says its not
I mean why take the kids word for it when an anonymous source says otherwise. You are soooo gullible

i'm done arguing about this subject. he's at UNCA. I believe he's going to be a really good ball player. . Layer made his bed when he took Kermite instead :.

[logic]

Of this guy...God'sGift. Favorite quote - "Jesus saves"

http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m- ... ift00.html


Did we offer?

[Bigsouthking]

are you kidding? not coming because of non religious family? Rowsey is a liberty kid himself. don't believe me? read his twitter yourself. he's been on campus a plenty of times. has friends here etc. and he did in FACT expressed interested.

How can that be a fact when BSK the All Knowing says its not
I mean why take the kids word for it when an anonymous source says otherwise. You are soooo gullible :

you and PH are clowns! How about Former Flame J Allison is tight with the kids father and Allison wife taught school with the mother... I would say my knowledge is almost first hand since Allison and myself are former team mates and friends.. Mom was not sending son to LU, couldn't do military structure of VMI, dad got upset over something with Radford staff... Therefore you have UNCA.

I agree with Logic on locals kids wanting VT, UVA, or VCU.. Here is an example of how dumb local HS kids are, Marshall Wood final 3 choices were VCU, VT, and Michigan... Look what he chose and how dumb that looks now! Enough said on this, my point has been proven.. I wouldnt post this much on a topic if I were wrong...

[jbock13]

The fact is the men's basketball operations have always been a joke. All our other programs can compete at least at an above average level (other than softball but at least they've won conference tournaments too), but yet men's basketball never can? And until a change of culture and passion for victory occurs, it's really no use in having these arguments, because mediocracy is all we'll get.

Ding dong.

I like basketball. But I don't really keep up with the men's team because I know it's a lost cause. I'm not here to the blame the players, per my own policy I will not do that. But it's the recruiting and operations that I absolutely feel are to blame for the disaster that is this program.

I fully admit, basketball is not something I'm extremely versed at. Lots of you on here know more about the fundamentals than I do. But that's just the way I see it.

[Purple Haize]

are you kidding? not coming because of non religious family? Rowsey is a liberty kid himself. don't believe me? read his twitter yourself. he's been on campus a plenty of times. has friends here etc. and he did in FACT expressed interested.

How can that be a fact when BSK the All Knowing says its not
I mean why take the kids word for it when an anonymous source says otherwise. You are soooo gullible :

you and PH are clowns! How about Former Flame J Allison is tight with the kids father and Allison wife taught school with the mother... I would say my knowledge is almost first hand since Allison and myself are former team mates and friends.. Mom was not sending son to LU, couldn't do military structure of VMI, dad got upset over something with Radford staff... Therefore you have UNCA.

I agree with Logic on locals kids wanting VT, UVA, or VCU.. Here is an example of how dumb local HS kids are, Marshall Wood final 3 choices were VCU, VT, and Michigan... Look what he chose and how dumb that looks now! Enough said on this, my point has been proven.. I wouldnt post this much on a topic if I were wrong...

[sporter]

Good debate but the issue with the program is so much bigger than that. I personally agree with the "take a local if they are equal" camp but the bottom line is each coaching staff has to figure out what works for them and go with it. Both ways can be successful and the staff has to figure out their plan of action and execute it - obviously this staff has not been able to do that.

What we really need is an exciting football committment to take us away from this never ending debate! Not a good sign when you are two days away from signing date and there have been no posts on the football site for the past two days.

[olldflame]

The fact is the men's basketball operations have always been a joke. All our other programs can compete at least at an above average level (other than softball but at least they've won conference tournaments too), but yet men's basketball never can? And until a change of culture and passion for victory occurs, it's really no use in having these arguments, because mediocracy is all we'll get.

Ding dong.

I like basketball. But I don't really keep up with the men's team because I know it's a lost cause. I'm not here to the blame the players, per my own policy I will not do that. But it's the recruiting and operations that I absolutely feel are to blame for the disaster that is this program.

I fully admit, basketball is not something I'm extremely versed at. Lots of you on here know more about the fundamentals than I do. But that's just the way I see it.

Your first sentence is just plain ignorant. You weren´t there to say ALWAYS. Some of us were, and I can tell you there was a time basketball was not a joke at LU. As far as right now is concerned, things are not good. You can call it a joke if you wish.

Apparently you have never experienced a real disaster when it comes to a basketball program. A disaster is when you struggle to beat D2 and NAIA teams and get blown out regularly by BSC opponents. Those of us who have been around longer know what that is like. A team that is competive with the best teams in conference and is winning some may not be what we are hoping for in light of the resources we have, but it is NOT a disaster.

Having said that, I agree that a cultural change is needed to get where we should be. It is looking more and more like that will need to include a coaching change, but it will take more than that. Basketball needs to become important at LU again. Right now it is not.

[bballfan84]

I think the player we would be interested in having identified ballcoach, is the one you say would have signed with LU if offered who was a starter in the ACC for 4 years. Quite frankly, I don´t know of any local player who has done that since JJ Reddick.

I am still waiting to hear of the ACC player that would have signed with LU????

[ballcoach15]

good post above jock13.

Since McKay left for UVA, LU basketball has been on a downward trend. I don't see it getting any better anytime soon. We simply don't have the talent.

[bballfan84]

We cant get athletic players to stay at LU for four years or even two. Name the last one that did..Anthony Smith??? It is becoming a big problem for us!!! These guys do not want to adhere to the Liberty lifestyle....

[bballfan84]

I think one idea that could help recruits is get them living off campus as early as possible. As we mentioned earlier kids dont want to be bothered with cleaning your room and some of the other ridiculous rules that are at Liberty. I remember as a freshman I had many run ins with Dean Wu and Dean Josh Brown..bc my hair touched my ears. My RA was a complete legalistic toolbag and it was really a turn off for some of my teammates who were new Christians or kids coming from rough public schools...just my two cents. Normally the guys who lived off campus didnt have many issues..and their names stayed out of the paper.

[Purple Haize]

We cant get athletic players to stay at LU for four years or even two. Name the last one that did..Anthony Smith??? It is becoming a big problem for us!!! These guys do not want to adhere to the Liberty lifestyle....

It may have more to do with the style of play. I'm not criticizing the style, a form of it works at Wisconsin and UVA, but a lot of players today want to get up and down the court. At least they do in the Upward leagues I've seen