[phoenix]

Some folks on this board are just frustrating. Folks seem to pick apart and over analyze EVERYTHING. Can we please give the Admin of LU a little credit and a little benefit of the doubt.

Anytime someone representing Liberty says something as an official response that can be a distortion of the Gospel, you better believe we're going to question it. In fact, we're commanded by Scripture to do that.

Yep.

I'm torn -- part of me is upset that we now apparently serve a God that is all about getting even with people (rather than acting according to His nature, with justice and mercy), and part of me remembers an old saying that living long and well is the "best revenge." I remember something in the Bible about treating our enemies with kindness, which is likened to heaping burning coals on their heads.

I think the problem is our ideas of revenge and retribution, and how they relate to the Biblical ideas of vengeance and retribution -- we seem to be off a bit, and it messes up our understanding of this entire discussion. I would say, though, that I seriously doubt The Donald has anywhere close to a Biblical view of vengeance -- but of course I would love to be wrong.

[thepostman]

All I got out of this thread is BJ is ridiculous and he will get even because trump said so.

Does that sum it up?

[Sly Fox]

No, I think our Okie contingent has steered cleared of this discussion.

[Purple Haize]

No, I think our Okie contingent has steered cleared of this discussion.

And we can infer you now work as a contracted PR rep for the University

[Sly Fox]

You are welcome to infer whatever you choose. Isn't America a great country?

[Purple Haize]

You are welcome to infer whatever you choose. Isn't America a great country?

I'm sure you enjoy the work and the paycheck!

[Hold My Own]

Phx - Just remember that "getting even" and revenge are two different things!

[jmdickens]

is underbidding to run someone out of business revenge or getting even?

[jcmanson]

Does that sum it up?

Not sure, SumItUp hasn't been posting much lately.

[TH Spangler]

I think a few FF's have an ax to grind and use the forum as a "sly" way to "get even". But I'm just an outsider looking in .... so carry on?

[Purple Haize]

is underbidding to run someone out of business revenge or getting even?

Neither

[jbock13]

Just let it go people. I think JLFJR said it pretty well.

And does it really even matter?

[jbock13]

Of course it matters where our university stands on an important aspect of the gospel. Are you high?

But what if the university dares to disagree with what you or I may believe? Doesn't mean God still isn't using them.

But I guess some just like to complain. All I can say is that JLFJR's statement answered any questions I had.

[Purple Haize]

Of course it matters where our university stands on an important aspect of the gospel. Are you high?

But what if the university dares to disagree with what you or I may believe? Doesn't mean God still isn't using them.

But I guess some just like to complain. All I can say is that JLFJR's statement answered any questions I had.

I'm with BYD on this one. I will agree that the Chancellor can do what he wants, it's a perk of the job. But when you are lacking a spiritual spokesperson for the University, or the guy who is supposed to be in that role engages in the verbal gymnastics needed to justify and change meanings of words, then expect that action to be criticized. To say that God supports 'getting even' flies in the face of any Biblical interpretation I know outside of Westboro Baptist. To try to draw equivellancy between being resolute and not backing down to 'getting even' is so off base to be laughable.
If LU is expecting a big donation from The Donald, I think he would be more impressed by LU saying, this is where we respectfully disagree with Mr Trump and here is why, then by cow towing to him like so many others. But again, we are not in charge, and it does not matter. But to use an old phrase 'don't pee on my back and tell me it's raining'

[ALUmnus]

It's also partly an effect of a larger problem within the Christian community. Christian leaders seem to have the inability to admit they're wrong, repent, and ask for forgiveness. It's very sad, actually, because it's so much what God wants and tells us to do. And when this happens, you end up doubling-down and pressing further in the wrong direction. I hope that doesn't happen here.

[logic]

Word for word -


"I always finish off by saying two things.."

Meaning...whenever he gives a "normal" speech to "normal" people (IE those NOT at the world's largest Christian University)

"But I am not going to say them to you because you people don't have this problem. One is in business, GET EVEN. If somebody hurts you, and I use a much different word in other speeches that I do, But I won't use it, because Becki said "Don't use bad language" So I'm not going to use it. Should I use it? No I'm not going to use it, I promised. You know I did it in front of a rough, rough group of teamsters in Las Vegas, they were great. And I did it, and I used some really foul language, I got killed by that language, cuz that was broadcast all over the place. But I wouldn't do it. But I always say, Don't let people take advantage...This goes for a country too by the way, don't let people take advantage, get even. And you know if nothing else, other people will see that, and they're going to say ya know, I'm gonna let Jim Smith or Sarah Malone, I'm gonna let em alone because they're tough customers. So I always say it. But I won't say it to you. Because this is a different audience. You don't want to get even do you? Yeah, I think ya do.

The other thing I tell people, because in New York its like a total catastrophe, it's an epidemic, I always say, always have a prenuptial agreement, but I won't say it here because you people don't get divorced right? Nobody gets divorced. OK, so I will NOT say have a prenuptial agreement to anybody in this room. I just want to end...who else would say that but Trump right? See..I said, I should say it, but I won't say it, how do I get my point across without saying it, I just did alright?"



My interpretation of that -


I think The Donald was having some fun here and simply letting us in on the high stakes world of elite multi-billion dollar real estate. As JLFJR said, these comments were made in jest, and no one in the Vines that day should have taken any of that part of his speech seriously. He was simply having a laugh and telling the crowd what he would say at a normal speech, but knew he was talking to a different group here. He still wanted to let people know what he would usually say, but did it in a way that also let us know that it wasn't meant for us.

[TH Spangler]

That's the way I took it .... and I think the "get even" stuff was a continuation of his recent spin on the news outlets ... that China is cheating and taking advantage of our dumb leaders. It needs to stop, it's time to get even.

[Purple Haize]

Then why the genuflecting to show how God 'Gets Even'. I couldn't give two hoots about what Trump says about getting even. His view is his, and where they depart from the Gospel we shouldn't try to cover it

[FigurinItOut]

Folks need to lighten up. Trump was trying to be humorous, self-deprecating, and compliment Liberty's values in his final two pieces of advice.

I'm paraphrasing here, but Trump clearly prefaced his final two comments by saying something like "I usually tell audiences this, but I WON'T tell you here at Liberty (1) to get even in business and (2) always to get a prenuptial." Isn't it clear that he knew the contradiction between his advice and the worldview embraced on our campus? He couched it in such a way that -- in context -- both pieces of advice were obviously intended tongue in cheek.

[jmdickens]

PR Consultant is paying for itself already.

[Cider Jim]

I'm paraphrasing here, but Trump clearly prefaced his final two comments by saying something like "I usually tell audiences this, but I WON'T tell you here at Liberty (1) to get even in business and (2) always to get a prenuptial." Isn't it clear that he knew the contradiction between his advice and the worldview embraced on our campus?

Fig might be on to something here (even if he did put a paraphrase in quotation marks ). Can somebody roll back the tape and verify that?

[LUconn]

I don't think a single person in this thread has cared what Trump said. If you're arguing about the interpretation of what Trump said or meant, you're not understanding what is wrong.

[Purple Haize]

I don't think a single person in this thread has cared what Trump said. If you're arguing about the interpretation of what Trump said or meant, you're not understanding what is wrong.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

[SuperJon]

I don't think a single person in this thread has cared what Trump said. If you're arguing about the interpretation of what Trump said or meant, you're not understanding what is wrong.

Thank you.

[TH Spangler]

I don't think a single person in this thread has cared what Trump said. If you're arguing about the interpretation of what Trump said or meant, you're not understanding what is wrong.

We all get it, you don't think Jesus "ever" got even. And you're attacking Moore on a public forum for a statement you disagree with.

“the bible is filled with stories of God getting even with his enemies, Jesus got even with the Pharisees and Christians believe that Jesus even got even with Satan by rising from the dead.”

I think Jesus not only got even with Satan, but crushed him at the cross! Call it what you will, got even, crushed, defeated, whatever.

What jumps out at me is not the quote or the thread, but how quick some are to criticize others. You're splitting hairs, I think you're being ridiculous. But even if you're right, I'll let you throw the first stone.

back to the football forum! GO FLAMES!