[TH Spangler]

Politics in America divides the entire country in half these days. It's by design?

[TH Spangler]

It shouldn't divide Christian conservatives though .......... ? But it does ..... and that's when you things are really bad!

[El Scorcho]

[Purple Haize]

What did you expect him to talk about? His Christian faith?

[ballah09]

I was hoping more about business in general along with success and struggles.

he did get to talk about it but all for like 5 min

[Sly Fox]

It was exactly what I expected. He actually went lighter on the political rhetoric than I expected.

[Purple Haize]

It was exactly what I expected. He actually went lighter on the political rhetoric than I expected.

I could think of one or two people who I'd have liked to hear him say 'Youre Fired!' too!

[bluedevilflame]

i heard it and figured it would be politics and it sucked.

im not a liberal or anything like that but Liberty politics are so annoying, they sure know how to divide students apart.

Speaking as a moderate that finds himself moving closer and closer to the left these days, its something I wish the school would ease up on. There are Christian liberals out there, even among the student body, and there is no reason to alienate them and demonize their beliefs.

[adam42381]

i heard it and figured it would be politics and it sucked.

im not a liberal or anything like that but Liberty politics are so annoying, they sure know how to divide students apart.

Speaking as a moderate that finds himself moving closer and closer to the left these days, its something I wish the school would ease up on. There are Christian liberals out there, even among the student body, and there is no reason to alienate them and demonize their beliefs.

But, I thought you couldn't be liberal and Christian?

[LUconn]

Are you guy familiar with Liberty University? It was like that since before you chose it.

[bluedevilflame]

i heard it and figured it would be politics and it sucked.

im not a liberal or anything like that but Liberty politics are so annoying, they sure know how to divide students apart.

Speaking as a moderate that finds himself moving closer and closer to the left these days, its something I wish the school would ease up on. There are Christian liberals out there, even among the student body, and there is no reason to alienate them and demonize their beliefs.

But, I thought you couldn't be liberal and Christian?

Of course not....how silly of me!

[LUconn]

I'm glad we're all in agreement

[bluedevilflame]

Are you guy familiar with Liberty University? It was like that since before you chose it.

Yes that is true, but the political angle it takes has gotten old and its time to get out of the political arena. God is not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor any other political party in the world. It's time to stop demonizing those that have leanings towards the left or any other side then the right, its okay, the world won't end because two political parties disagree as to how to move forward. There are things that are wrong in both parties, and just because your affiliated with one or the other does not mean that you are any less of a Christian. That also means that people don't always believe every part of their parties platform. All I'm trying to say is that Liberty University is a great school and I am proud that it holds firm to its Christian roots. I do believe however it is time to stop talking politics and focus on what we are actually here to do: glorify God and train Champions for Christ.

[ALUmnus]

Are you guy familiar with Liberty University? It was like that since before you chose it.

Yes that is true, but the political angle it takes has gotten old and its time to get out of the political arena. God is not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor any other political party in the world. It's time to stop demonizing those that have leanings towards the left or any other side then the right, its okay, the world won't end because two political parties disagree as to how to move forward. There are things that are wrong in both parties, and just because your affiliated with one or the other does not mean that you are any less of a Christian. That also means that people don't always believe every part of their parties platform. All I'm trying to say is that Liberty University is a great school and I am proud that it holds firm to its Christian roots. I do believe however it is time to stop talking politics and focus on what we are actually here to do: glorify God and train Champions for Christ.

Phew, I didn't know you could fit that many cliches into one paragraph. Well done.

[logic]

I saw a bumper sticker once -

"Right, like Jesus would carry a gun and vote Republican"

And I wrote in a note on the windshield -

"Right, like Jesus would support abortion and vote Democrat"


Having said that -

Are you guy familiar with Liberty University? It was like that since before you chose it.

Yes that is true, but the political angle it takes has gotten old and its time to get out of the political arena. God is not a Republican, nor a Democrat, nor any other political party in the world. It's time to stop demonizing those that have leanings towards the left or any other side then the right, its okay, the world won't end because two political parties disagree as to how to move forward. There are things that are wrong in both parties, and just because your affiliated with one or the other does not mean that you are any less of a Christian. That also means that people don't always believe every part of their parties platform. All I'm trying to say is that Liberty University is a great school and I am proud that it holds firm to its Christian roots. I do believe however it is time to stop talking politics and focus on what we are actually here to do: glorify God and train Champions for Christ.

But what do you do when one party above all clearly flies in the face of those Christian roots you speak of? How can Christians financially or otherwise support a party that wants to/does/is -

1. Redefine the biblical definition of marriage
2. Supports abortion
3. Wants to redefine American culture to the point where Homosexuality, Transsexuality, Transgenderality, Incest, and "Questioning" is considered normal and "OK"
4. Teach that pre-marital sex is OK and that contraception is the answer, not abstinence
5. Want to remove God from the platform and the party all together
6. Does not support Israel



So yes, it may not be popular, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that If you are a Christian, how can you be Democrat? How?

Here are some bottom line facts, that cannot be argued as they come straight from the Dem's official platform -

1. Abortions with no exceptions for the length of pregnancy...IE partial birth abortions are OK
2. Abortions regardless of ability to pay...IE tax-payer funded abortions


Please, those of you who support the Democratic party, how can you be a Christian and support those two viewpoints?

[ballah09]

this is what is wrong with politics Liberals/conservative, republicans and democrats tries and enforce people to live under their law. Do I think abortion is wrong? yes do i think homosexuality is a sin? yes but no one should be oppressed, everyone should have equal rights. and Logic people interpret the bible differently.

[SuperJon]

As long as Jerry Jr is in charge, politics will be a big part of Liberty University. It's who he is. He got the political/business side of his dad.

[LUconn]

Do I think abortion is wrong? ... yes but no one should be oppressed, everyone should have equal rights.

If you think abortion is wrong than you can see the contradiction in your statement.

[belcherboy]

I agree. How can everyone have equal rights when abortion on demand is the law of the land? Wouldn't the babies being aborted not have those rights?

I too wish that churches would get further away from the harshness they have toward the sin of homosexuality. When they talk about sin, I'd rather them spend more time talking about the sins that affect so many in their congregation (i.e. gluttony, gossip, eliteness/pride). Lecturing homosexuals on marriage seems a bit petty when most churches are north of 50% when looking at their congregation and who has been divorced.

By the way.....how much do you think it cost Liberty to bring Trump to convocation?? I'm guessing north of $25,000.

[BJWilliams]

I agree. How can everyone have equal rights when abortion on demand is the law of the land? Wouldn't the babies being aborted not have those rights?

I too wish that churches would get further away from the harshness they have toward the sin of homosexuality. When they talk about sin, I'd rather them spend more time talking about the sins that affect so many in their congregation (i.e. gluttony, gossip, eliteness/pride). Lecturing homosexuals on marriage seems a bit petty when most churches are north of 50% when looking at their congregation and who has been divorced.

By the way.....how much do you think it cost Liberty to bring Trump to convocation?? I'm guessing north of $25,000.

according to this:
http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... &MID=65182

nothing. Normally he commands seven figures

[Sly Fox]

The first pic above of Trump holding up a zero hand sign was in reference to JLFJR's fee reference.

[bluedevilflame]

This is in response to logic's questions. I apologize for going off topic but wanted to address this, this will be the last post I make on this topic. I appreciate logic for presenting his reasoning in a well written and argued stance and I will do the same with mine. I am in no way trying to start an argument or force my beliefs, I just wanted to present a rubuttal
and move along

Before I say anything, this one verse is what I always go to in conversations like this comes from Psalm 140:12, “I know that the LORD secures justice for the poor and upholds the cause of the needy.” This verse is the reason for my political beliefs and why I feel the way I do.
I’ll begin with gay marriage. Yes, the Biblical definition of marriage is between a man and a woman, but the problem is, not everyone is Christian. Our founding fathers came to this world for religious freedom and showed as much by planting the seeds for dividing church and state. We as Christians have no right to force our Biblical definition of marriage down those that don’t share that view point. Just because I don’t agree with homosexuality, does not mean I have the right to infringe on anyone else’s civil rights. Condemn it, because it is wrong and I do, but we can’t stand in the way of it. I’ve often heard through the years, that gay marriage will ruin the sanctity of marriage. I believe our 40-50% divorce rate has already done so in this country.
Next, the topic of abortion. Abortion is an abomination that is fact and I agree with you wholeheartedly. But, there is a big difference between supporting abortion and understanding it will happen.”No matter what our beliefs are, abortions will always happen, whether they are against the law or not. It is the responsibility of our health care providers to make sure that if an abortion is decided on by a woman using her own free will, then it should be carried out in a safe manner where the woman’s life isn’t in danger which was the case prior to Roe v. Wade. The root of this problem is in education and the breakdown of the American family, especially in our low income-poverty stricken communities. Young men and women aren’t taught the necessary skills and given the right moral compass to understand why 1) premarital sex is wrong morally and in the eyes of God and 2) that if they must have premarital sex, do so in as safe a manner as possible. Abstinence is Biblical as well as the best way to prevent this mess in the first place, but isn’t applicable in the day and age. This issue ultimately comes down to our God given free will and when we go in the wrong direction because of it.
Next, I find it quite interesting that you included incest in with homosexuality, trans sexuality, and trans genders. While I disagree with all of them, I’d like more clarification as to where any democrat has ever said they agreed with or thought that incest was okay. As far as trans sexual and genders, this is a matter of civil rights as well. Although I don’t agree with these lifestyles, I don’t think that I have the right, nor does any political party have, to infringe on their ability to carry on with their lives. Personally, I find it repulsive and a sign of deep mental trouble that an individual struggle with these issues but the bottom line is no matter what, they are God’s creations and He still loves them. If we are ever to battle these lifestyles and help these individuals, we have to lead by our example Jesus Christ. He spoke with murderers, rapists, thieves, prostitutes, and loved them and forgave them if they wanted redemption through Him. This issue is no different, they are a part of our culture just like those sinners were part of that times culture. They have been around for quite some time closeted or open and they won’t go away. We have to learn that while we don’t accept their lifestyle, we can love the person and show them by example the love they can have through Jesus.
I mentioned this topic in early but will touch briefly again. Is abstinence the answer, yes it is, will people, especially young people, abide by it, absolutely not. Contraception is way to prevent the rampant abortions and morning after pill usage we have today. While it’s understood that abstinence is the best way to prevent disease, unwanted pregnancy, drop-out rates, and keep abortions down, it’s also understood that most people will not practice it. It’s truly as simple as that and goes right back to our free will as humans.
God was reinserted into the platform a few weeks ago, after being backed by President Obama. While this was booed by several in the crowd due to separation of church and state concerns, keep in mind this is a SMALL fraction of the party’s members in an arena and does not reflect the entire party as a whole. The only reason behind this being removed goes back to the founding of this country and the idea of separation of church and state for the good of the union.
Israel is support and has been said so on countless occasions by President Obama. Jerusalem was also reinserted into the platform as Israel’s capital.
“As for Israel, our friendship is rooted deeply in a shared history and shared values. Our commitment to Israel’s security is unshakeable. And we will stand against attempts to single it out for criticism in international forums.”
-President Obama
“Even while we may at times disagree, as friends sometimes will, the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable and the commitment of the United States to the security of Israel is ironclad.“
-President Obama
"We stand with Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. America's commitment and my commitment to the security of Israel is unshakeable."
-President Obama
Back to the abortion topic, I do not agree with partial birth abortion and tax funded abortions, this goes back to my original post where I said that we don’t always agree with our parties on all topics and I hope, as a Christian, for that language to be changed.
What I said in my previous post may have had clichés in it, but it’s the truth. I don’t think any Christian should be judged or demonized for their individual political views without understanding their thoughts and reasoning's behind them.

[belcherboy]

I agree. How can everyone have equal rights when abortion on demand is the law of the land? Wouldn't the babies being aborted not have those rights?

I too wish that churches would get further away from the harshness they have toward the sin of homosexuality. When they talk about sin, I'd rather them spend more time talking about the sins that affect so many in their congregation (i.e. gluttony, gossip, eliteness/pride). Lecturing homosexuals on marriage seems a bit petty when most churches are north of 50% when looking at their congregation and who has been divorced.

By the way.....how much do you think it cost Liberty to bring Trump to convocation?? I'm guessing north of $25,000.

according to this:
http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... &MID=65182

nothing. Normally he commands seven figures

I would never have thought Trump would waive his fee. Very cool. I was WAY under his asking price though!!

[BJWilliams]

I agree. How can everyone have equal rights when abortion on demand is the law of the land? Wouldn't the babies being aborted not have those rights?

I too wish that churches would get further away from the harshness they have toward the sin of homosexuality. When they talk about sin, I'd rather them spend more time talking about the sins that affect so many in their congregation (i.e. gluttony, gossip, eliteness/pride). Lecturing homosexuals on marriage seems a bit petty when most churches are north of 50% when looking at their congregation and who has been divorced.

By the way.....how much do you think it cost Liberty to bring Trump to convocation?? I'm guessing north of $25,000.

according to this:
http://www.liberty.edu/news/index.cfm?P ... &MID=65182

nothing. Normally he commands seven figures

I would never have thought Trump would waive his fee. Very cool. I was WAY under his asking price though!! :I am laughing out loud. I typed "LOL" but that is for teenage girls who text. So please know that I am laughing. Out loud.:

haha...by a factor of about a hundred.

[Sly Fox]

And for those wondering about the Trump aircraft ...