[lynchburgwildcats]

And the rulebook definition of an illegal screen has a decent bit of interpretation/wiggle room.

When the screener pushes the defender with his arms, it's illegal. I saw that at least three times in the example I mentioned previously. The rule book says this is illegal: "A defensive player is held or pushed off of his/her intended path around a screen by use of the arms, legs or body." Ther eisn't much to interpret, either you push a player or you don't.

When the screener is moving the entire time he is setting a screen, its illegal if it causes contact and delays an opponent. "No player, while moving, shall set a screen that causes contact and delays an opponent from reaching a desired position." I'm not sure how there can be room for interpretation or wiggle room when it comes to a moving object. As far as I am aware, a human being at any one point in time is either stationary or moving. Nearly every screen I saw in that game was moving - and they all caused contact and a delay. There was only two guys that consistently set legal screens and somehow one of them got whistled for it when the screen he set was no where close to being illegal.

Do I expect the refs to call all of them? No, they aren't going to see all of them, that's impossible. But when a team sets illegal screens on nearly every single possession based on rule book definition (not coaches definition, RULE BOOK definition), to only whistle them for it once in the entire game is a downright deplorable refereeing performance.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Looks like Karl got slapped on the hand for his handling of the situation.
LYNCH - you should be suprised. What you think is 'missed' actually isn't missed. You should try it sometime!

Oh no, I've watched hundreds of hours of game film in my day. A lot is still missed. In fact, last game I watched on film I saw 15 illegal screen by one team in the first half and they were only whistled for one.

How much film is an official able to watch in-the-moment just prior to making a judgment call? How many replays does an official get to see between seeing a play live the first time, and the average of 1.2 secs before a decision has to be made on a judgment call? To compare your film study from a coaching perspective (obvious bias) to the judgment call of a basketball referee (withot bias) is to be truly ignorant of what the job entails.

To dwell on the fact that protocol was not followed is to ignore that the ACC hasn't officially addressed the policy with it's officials for some time. This situation also becomes more convoluted when one considers that a conference protocol wasn't followed, but officials such Hess work for multiple conferences, each with it's own policies.

Finally, every single person in this thread who has claimed "worst official" is displaying a clear fan or coach bias to the specific situation(s). It must be pointed out that all conferences are extremely careful to allow officials to comment at all publicly, so there will be no "owning up" in this case or any future one.

I'm not comparing film study from a coaching perspective. I'm not a coach. I watch film because I just like doing it.

[lynchburgwildcats]

What Karl Hess did with Googs and the other guy is just trying to make a spectacle out of yourself and that is inexcusable. Hess needs to man up, grow a pair, and stop acting like a *****.

Moderators, you each know me well enough as a poster here to know I can take it and dish it out. However, this statement crosses from fan criticism to the crude language of personal attack(edited or not), and I'm embarrassed that you've permitted it with no moderator response.

LW, say what you will in opinion or critique of the events at hand, but please leave the crude personal attacks for your conversations elsewhere.

So personal attacks are okay as long as they aren't crude? Interesting. If I would have said "I think I can objectively say Hess is a joke and should be fired" would that have been okay? Oh wait, that's a personal attack that's already been said but it's okay because it didn't have any crude language. Carry on, sorry I didn't catch the double standard the first time around. I'll remember in the future that personal attacks are acceptable so long as I don't use a cuss word.

[NotAJerry]

And it's time to add to the foe counter.

[Purple Haize]

A player can move all they like when setting a screen. The only time they have to remain stationary is when contact is made. Also, if the screener makes a move to the basket, ie pick and roll, and the defenders switch are you going to call an illegal screen? ( of course on a back screen there is the space/time and distance caveat). If a defender runs into a legally set screen they are probably going to be moved Off their intended path. Does that then make the screen illegal? Your reading of the rules and interpretation of the rules are worlds appart. I can watch a lot of something too, but if I have no idea what I'm looking for, then all I would do is reconfirm my erroneous assumptions.

[lynchburgwildcats]

A player can move all they like when setting a screen. The only time they have to remain stationary is when contact is made. Also, if the screener makes a move to the basket, ie pick and roll, and the defenders switch are you going to call an illegal screen? ( of course on a back screen there is the space/time and distance caveat). If a defender runs into a legally set screen they are probably going to be moved Off their intended path. Does that then make the screen illegal? Your reading of the rules and interpretation of the rules are worlds appart. I can watch a lot of something too, but if I have no idea what I'm looking for, then all I would do is reconfirm my erroneous assumptions.

What I am talking about is when the player setting the screen is moving the entire time, that includes before, and during, contact. If your feet are shuffling when contact is made, its illegal. That's what said team was doing all game. That's not an erroneous assumption, you just reconfirmed what the team was doing all game and what I said they had been doing.

[Purple Haize]

You can shuffle your feet when contact is made. But once contact IS made things change. Your post said "beforeand during contact" nothing about after initial contact. What type of effort was made to get around the screen? Did the defenders switch? Was the defense prohibiting the screener from their movement?
Granted I can't judge the play until I see film but based on your comments about officiating, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

[lynchburgwildcats]

You can shuffle your feet when contact is made. But once contact IS made things change. Your post said "beforeand during contact" nothing about after initial contact. What type of effort was made to get around the screen? Did the defenders switch? Was the defense prohibiting the screener from their movement?
Granted I can't judge the play until I see film but based on your comments about officiating, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Many times,if not all, once the contact is made, the defender would continue to shuffle his feet to keep the contact and to further impeded the players movement.

[olldflame]

Kornhieser and Wilbon just ripped into Karl on PTI. "He should be embarassed...............and he should be SUSPENDED!"

[lynchburgwildcats]

Kornhieser and Wilbon just ripped into Karl on PTI. "He should be embarassed...............and he should be SUSPENDED!"

Doesn't surprise me two ESPN knuckleheads would be sensationalizing it to that far of an extent. He should be reprimanded for it and that's the only punishment he should receive from anyone he answers to. The public ridicule he is receiving for being a softie is more than sufficient additional punishment. The crap he pulled in his other major mishaps this year were much worse than this.

[Purple Haize]

You can shuffle your feet when contact is made. But once contact IS made things change. Your post said "beforeand during contact" nothing about after initial contact. What type of effort was made to get around the screen? Did the defenders switch? Was the defense prohibiting the screener from their movement?
Granted I can't judge the play until I see film but based on your comments about officiating, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Many times,if not all, once the contact is made, the defender would continue to shuffle his feet to keep the contact and to further impeded the players movement.

[R i]

What was the suspension? I cant find it?

[blwall1416]

What was the suspension? I cant find it?

Reprimand, as in "don't do that again", not suspension.

[Cider Jim]

BUMP

All must be forgiven: Hess is working the FLA-Louisville game today.

[Purple Haize]

Hopefully Darrel Griifith, Herbert Crook, Rodney McCray, Vernon Maxwell, Andrew DeClerq and Dwayne Schintius are on their best behavior

And just in case you missed it Ferrum is under a Tornado watch. Let's not wait till the media timeout or any thing