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By 4everfsu
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adam42381 wrote:It's all about winning, which is why LU is just like any other school not named BYU. Not surprising. It's cowplop, but not surprising. Morality is subjective when athletics are involved.

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By From the class of 09
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TylerBakersGonnaBGreat wrote:Come on SJ... We have never cared what a court says, why start now. Students have been kicked out before an arraignment and staff are fired if arrested (unless you're athletics staff I guess)
Students (non-athletes) have also been allowed to stay even after conviction (of similar things). So being a student isn't really what I have a problem with it's this crap about getting kicked off the team then 3 weeks and 2 loses later ....welcome back Asa I'm glad you learned so much after 3 weeks we can't help but let you back on the team :roll:
By 4everfsu
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matshark wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Unless he could pull a rabbit out of his hat and make the drugs and charges disappear! :lol:
Don't laugh. Johnny was a pretty darn good magician in H.S. I should know. I graduated with him. He was really pretty impressive with it.

That being said, for the first time in my life, I'm afraid I might be ashamed of my university. I've always been proud to be from LU and to be an alum (twice). This is beyond football. This is a character and integrity thing. If it's Christian, shouldn't it be better?

IMO, Hine and Barber should both be fired for this. (Not that anyone believes anything Hine says anyways...) Rocco? Flip a coin. The only thing that's changed since the beginning of Chapman's suspension is that LU has lost 2 games. This isn't misdemeanor stuff. This is FELONY coke possession. This isn't something you can sweep under the rug. Whether he's guilty or whether he's innocent, the fact of the matter is that until it's resolved, he shouldn't be on the team.

What kind of example does that set for everyone else? What about other colleges and universities? These are FELONY charges. Do people play on athletic teams with felony murder charges hanging over their heads? How about felony sexual assault? Felony theft? Cam Newton left Florida for less.

No game is worth the integrity of the athletic department, the school or it's (stated) mission. Quite frankly, I'm embarrassed. Is this what Jerry founded the school to be? Absolutely not. There's more to life than simply winning. The school's motto wasn't "Making Champions." It was "Making Champions FOR CHRIST." I'm afraid people have forgotten those last two words, but they're the most important - and perhaps it's time they were remembered.

Quite frankly, it doesn't particularly matter what the criminal outcome is. This is bigger than that. The credibility of the entire school is at stake here. Asa may not have any say over whether he's suspended or not, but if he wants to lead by example - then he can start by not playing.

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By 4everfsu
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I am sad that Asa is allowed back on the team. I am ashamed of my school for this action.
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By JDUB
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From my experience kids who get caught drinking get huge community service, finpriveleges off campus priveleges, and have very strict probation. I've never seen a student get anything drug related and receive less than 1 yr. Suspension. I've seen this handled multiple times at LU and that has always been what happened. A 2 game suspension is a complete joke if that's all he gets, and a slap in the face to the entire student body, especially those who have been punished for less. But this will show how we prioritize our values vs athletics, a test most schools fail. Right now we don't appear to have more morals than UNC, but I'm waiting until all facts are out and whatever attempt at spin from athletics is complete to cast my judgement. Hopefully this isn't as bad as every detail we have makes it look.

Haize, if it happened at another school and I was still a student, I'd choose "because I got high" by afroman
By TDDance234
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I have a hard time believing Jerry Jr. was even consulted on this, let alone had a say on being reinstated back to the football team.

If only we had a chancellor registered on the forums who could come in and give us some insight. . .
By HenryGale
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TDDance234 wrote:I have a hard time believing Jerry Jr. was even consulted on this, let alone had a say on being reinstated back to the football team.

If only we had a chancellor registered on the forums who could come in and give us some insight. . .
There is not a chance in the world this decision did not go through him in some capacity.
By JMUDukeDawg
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I can't believe nobody's gone here yet (then again it just hit me)...

Any irony in the fact that Chapman plays nose guard...
By From the class of 09
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So how many questions do you think Rocco will take tonight on the show about Asa? I know they will have the questions but do you think he will actually answer any?

My questions...
1) What has Asa done in three weeks to prove he deserves back on the team? For actions that would leave most students kicked out of school with no refund.

2) What does "self reported" actually mean since it is obvious he didn't self report to you (Rocco) who did Asa self report to and how?

I'm actual kinda afraid to know the answers to those questions. :oops: :? :o :(
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By BJWilliams
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Not to mention that sometimes its best not to jump on here and say something every time someone asks just to placate every Tom, Dick and Harry (or Purple Haize, bigsmooth, 4everfsu, class of 09 or whoever)
By kuntryboimike
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JMUDukeDawg wrote:I can't believe nobody's gone here yet (then again it just hit me)...

Any irony in the fact that Chapman plays nose guard...
...I tried not to laugh but I couldnt help it. Hey I read JMUs AD announced he sees them moving to FBS in the next year or 2 with some other FCS schools. Could you give us a link? Im on my phone and its not letting me copy and paste. He didnt mention Liberty making the jump in the list of schools by the way...
By WinterIsComing
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http://www.libertychampion.com/2011/08/ ... t-liberty/

Allegations norm in NCAA, not at Liberty
By Derrick Battle
Published: August 30th, 2011

On GUARD — The Liberty Flames football team has worked hard to follow the NCAA and Big South Conference regulations and guidelines.
Over the past couple of years the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) has seen a thickening array of allegations surrounding college athletics. Within a couple of years, the NCAA has swiftly passed judgment to many universities across the U.S., most notably the University of Southern California (USC), Georgia Tech, North Carolina and Tennessee. Currently, Oregon, Miami (Fla.) and Ohio State are being investigated. But what are these universities being investigated for?

That answer lies within the improper recruitment of high school athletes and giving improper benefits to student athletes that are currently enrolled at the school.

Whether if it has been putting a school on probation for one who works with an agent. The Oregon Ducks football team is currently being investigated for improper recruitment of high school players in the state of Texas.

The Ohio State football team is under investigation due to players selling merchandise (individual awards) and giving improper benefits to players. This lead to the resignation of its head coach, Jim Tressel, and the withdrawal of their top athlete, quarterback Terrelle Pryor.

Lastly, the Miami football and basketball teams are currently under investigation due to players and coaches accepting impermissible benefits, partly from booster Nevin Shapiro. Shapiro is currently serving 20 years in prison for fraud. Shapiro admitted to giving the teams favors in cash, prostitutes and parties, among other things, during an eight year span. He even admitted to awarding players bounties to hurt or injure key players on other teams Miami faced. “It’s disappointing when coaches and the administration become involved because it’s our job to set examples for the players and represent their insititution in a positive manner,” Barber said.

Most relate Miami troubles to the Pony Express, the scandal involving the Southern Methodist University football team in the mid-1980s, which included coaches and boosters who promised to pay top high school athletes in order for them to come to the university and lied to NCAA investigators.

“When coaches and administration lie about their actions it makes for a sad commentary on people and it can happen in any business. In all, I think it gives a black eye to college athletics and it needs to be repaired,” Barber said. After many warnings from the NCAA, SMU‘s football program was canceled for one year. The year without football started a 20 year drought without a winning season. This judgment is known to most as the death penalty.

These recent schools that have come under the investigation of the NCAA raises the question of who is responsible, the players who accept the gifts in order to better themselves and their families financially, or the coaches, boosters and agents responsible?

For Liberty, however, Barber and his staff make strides daily to follow the standings of the NCAA, as well as the Big South Conference.

“Our compliance department does a great job in overseeing the department. We do a good job educating our donors, coaches, staff and student athletes of what they can and cannot do. We are proactive when we deal with these types of situations,” Barber said.
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By Kolzilla41
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Just listened to Rocco's BS weekly teleconference and he said he would go into more detail at his 1 pm press conference.
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By BiggAl57
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BJWilliams wrote:Not to mention that sometimes its best not to jump on here and say something every time someone asks just to placate every Tom, Dick and Harry (or Purple Haize, bigsmooth, 4everfsu, class of 09 or whoever)
a classic from Beej
By flamehunter
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flamerbob wrote:Just listened to Rocco's BS weekly teleconference and he said he would go into more detail at his 1 pm press conference.
Could you clarify what you mean by "BS"?
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By R i
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flamerbob wrote:Just listened to Rocco's BS weekly teleconference and he said he would go into more detail at his 1 pm press conference.
too bad we have to wait until wednesday to see it. CRAP
By From the class of 09
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BJWilliams wrote:Not to mention that sometimes its best not to jump on here and say something every time someone asks just to placate every Tom, Dick and Harry (or Purple Haize, bigsmooth, 4everfsu, class of 09 or whoever)
Yeah there are only a handful of people how care about this :roll: /sarcasm I understand why the admin is not commenting on this (publicly or here) but to act like this is some minor deal that only some crazies on FF care about is naive.

My boss this morning asked me about Asa being back on the team. He's not an alumi or associated to LU in any way but this peaked his interest :oops:
Last edited by From the class of 09 on September 20th, 2011, 11:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
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By R i
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From the class of 09 wrote: My boss this morning asked me about Asa being back on the team. He's not an alumi or associated to LU in any way but this peaked his interest :oops:

at least he knows your on flamefans at work.
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By BJWilliams
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I know that this is a very broad reaching situation 09...I had one of my friends who is in the marching band (the MARCHING BAND) ask me about the news of Asa being reinstated. Im just saying that just because people ask doesnt mean that the chancellor will see it and be like "hey someone needs a comment from me...I better post"
By TDDance234
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flamehunter wrote:
flamerbob wrote:Just listened to Rocco's BS weekly teleconference and he said he would go into more detail at his 1 pm press conference.
Could you clarify what you mean by "BS"?
Well played.
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By Purple Haize
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VBSF.net wrote:Some of you guys are starting to sound like the "older son" in the "Parable of the Lost Son". :D :D

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NIV; Study

:wink:
Really? Pulling out the Bible card? I don't have a spiffy link but I will see your prodigal son and raise you Eli and his sons.

And for the record, I've never demanded anyone come on here and give an explanation. I am perfectly content to get the information the same way as everyone else. Plus, watching how they are tripping over themselves and how poorly the PR is being handled is sorta like watching a train wreck. I'm surprised how they have 'fumbled the ball' on this.
By LUconn
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let's leave the anecdotal "my friend did this and this happened to him" garbage out of this. Punishments at Liberty have been anything but consistent. Let's focus on the case at hand.
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By flameshaw
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HenryGale wrote:
TDDance234 wrote:I have a hard time believing Jerry Jr. was even consulted on this, let alone had a say on being reinstated back to the football team.

If only we had a chancellor registered on the forums who could come in and give us some insight. . .
There is not a chance in the world this decision did not go through him in some capacity.
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