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By jbock13
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This is just dissapointing. Everytime we get an early lead we blow it. I like Bob Bradley, but I'm not sure why we keep playing with a certain player who clearly has no idea what he's doing out there...
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By jbock13
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Id like to change my adjective from dissappointing to downright embarrassing.
By NG33
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Got home late and watched my recording of it and all I can say is
:frustrated :frustrated :frustrated :frustrated :frustrated
:furious :furious :furious :furious :furious


SuperJon wrote:Win or lose, I hate Bob Bradley.
And this is something I can't quite understand. While he may not be the best coach ever, 1) We don't really have a legitimate replacement (The US job isn't a lucrative deal by any means) and 2) We aren't as good as we think. The US is good, but not THAT good. Heck, I'd venture to say we were better 10 years ago. We may have some great players in Dempsey, Donovan and Howard, but when we have to fill our rosters with Bornsteins, Klejstans and Wondolowskis. We need depth before we can expect consistently good performances. Once Bob leaves, I have a sneaking suspicion that whomever replaces Bob will get similar results no matter what their tactics are.

/off soapbox

And after all that. Go USA :lol:
By SuperJon
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If you don't think Jürgen Klinsmann could do a better job than Bob Bradley then you're crazy.

If Bob Bradley is the best that we can get then we should just dissolve the entire USSF.

In the past two years he's:

1) Given up a 2-0 lead to Spain in the Confederations Cup Final.
2) Got down in the first 15 minutes in three separate World Cup games.
3) Lost a terrible Gold Cup group stage match.
4) Given up a 2-0 lead to Mexico in the Gold Cup Final.

Yes, it's the players that play the game, but those players play by the tactics of their manager. Bob Bradley deserves to be fired.
By NG33
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SuperJon wrote:If you don't think Jürgen Klinsmann could do a better job than Bob Bradley then you're crazy.

If Bob Bradley is the best that we can get then we should just dissolve the entire USSF.

In the past two years he's:

1) Given up a 2-0 lead to Spain in the Confederations Cup Final.
2) Got down in the first 15 minutes in three separate World Cup games.
3) Lost a terrible Gold Cup group stage match.
4) Given up a 2-0 lead to Mexico in the Gold Cup Final.

Yes, it's the players that play the game, but those players play by the tactics of their manager. Bob Bradley deserves to be fired.
Haha Jurgen Klinsmann is not that great of a coach. Yes he led Germany to a 3rd place finish, but it's Germany. His predecessor managed 2nd place and his successor managed 3rd as well. He was also Fired from his 2nd and only other job he had. Now I'm not saying he's the worst manager ever, but he is hardly amazing.

Also though in regards to the US, I think that the players were the ones that should take the brunt of the blame. In reference to your post and your numbered points:

1) We lost to Brazil but it's all good. This one was definitely a combination of Bradley and the players. We came out to an early lead, but got tense and parked the bus (which isn't the best tactic for sure), and the players crapped the bed.

2) That primarily had to do with the players. Those were the usual starters. There were no real surprise starts (Findley only played due to Davies injury). People like to say Bradley allowed them to come out lethargic, but come on it's the friggin WORLD CUP. If your mind isn't on the pitch for the full 90 then there's something wrong with you.

3) Yes the US lost against Panama, but again it's not Bradley's fault Dempsey missed at least 2 goals he normally makes in his sleep as well as a slew of other chances from other players. As well as our defenders blowing assignments. That can't be attributed to the coach. I guess that the nature of the beast. If the guys make their normal chances than it's a moot point, but they sucked.

4) This is where Bradley can't win. Up 2 against Brazil. Parks the bus and loses. Up 2 against Mexico. Continues with the plan of attack and loses. Parking the bus wouldn't have stopped Chicharito and Dos Santos. Those 2 were on a Mission tonight. Mexico was just the better team and are entering their Golden Age with all this young, amazing talent. That sickens me to no end. Also, give credit where it's due. Starting Adu was a great move too since he seemed to be the only one to give a "darn" the whole 90.

Now am I saying Bradley's perfect? Heck no. Bornstein should have never been on the roster (Had he brung up some guy off the street instead it would've been an upgrade). He should have subbed his son at halftime of the Final because Michael was just crazy careless with the ball. etc. But I think he gets a little too much flak. Also, I may have been harsh on saying our squad has little talent. If we had a healthy Stu Holden, a healthy Charlie Davies and a 100% healthy and confident Gooch (which we may never see again) I think we win this game. O well.

Suffice to say SJ that even though we may disagree I appreciate the opinion. It's always good to hear from other fans of the Yanks. Hopefully come 2014 the US can make some noise (with or without Bob Bradley as our coach haha)
By SuperJon
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Klinsmann stepped down from the German team because he wanted to spend more time with his family… who live just down the street from USSF headquarters.

Klinsmann, more than any other soccer manager in the world, understands the sporting culture in America. He knows the soccer here is not like soccer around the world. He knows that the make up of soccer players here isn't the same as around the world. He knows the psyche of players here is different as well.

Klinsmann, unlike any other top flight manager in the world, has worked with the MLS and knows the nature of that league and the way our players are brought up through it.

Klinsmann can surround himself with great people to make up for any fault that he may have (Joachim Low in Germany rings a bell).

Klinsmann isn't afraid to change things up and the entire US system from the top down needs to be changed up. He completely changed the entire squad in Germany up and had great success. He doesn't care if people think he's crazy for doing it. He knows what will work and goes out and does it.

We need to develop our forwards. Who better to help develop them then one of the top strikers of the past 20 years?

Klinsmann has a personality. I'm so tired of American managers that just stand there like they couldn't care less. They show no emotion no matter what. I want to see someone who will get fired up when it's needed. I want to see someone that will rally behind our guys and support them. Arena and Bradley have been terrible from a public relations and marketing standpoint. Klinsmann would embrace that and that's something American soccer needs.

Klinsmann was released from Bayern Munich, but it wasn't because of performance (they reached the quarters of the Champions League and were 3 points out of first when he was released). He had a completely different opinion of the way to do things than the management of FCBM.

In the end, he's won everywhere he went as a player and as a manager. He would overhaul the entire US system (which is why he wasn't hired last time), and he would be the breath of fresh air we needed.
By TDDance234
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At this point, any kid with a PS3 and FIFA 2011 can do a better job than Bradley. Our defense has continued to get worse over the past 3 years.
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By jbock13
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What I don't understand is this. With FIFA world cup 2010 the video game, I won undefeated through qualifying and won the world cup. I don't understand why the USA can't ever seem to do this in real life!

Just kidding :D
By NG33
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Fair enough. You made a lot of good points SJ. The person I think should be fired above all is Gulati. I mean he's the main reason Klinsmann isn't the US coach. He stated PUBLICLY what he wanted to do with the US, and Gulati wouldn't give him the power to do all of that. I think any big time coach would want the same thing too, but I'm not sure Sunil would allow it. Time will tell, but as long as Sunil is in charge our coaches will be more like Bob and Bruce than Klinsmann and Guus Hiddink (Someone I'd wish the US would go after given his track record).
By SuperJon
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Gulati should definitely be gone. Klinsmann has said over and over he wants to coach the US team but we won't give him the control he wants. That falls on Gulati.
By ALUmnus
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This could be good news, if taken seriously and done right. Anything the US can do to emulate the Netherlands in soccer I'm all for.

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_ ... d-catch-us
What Ajax put on display that day could foreshadow a common sight in North American soccer -- homegrown players raised according to Ajax's strict methods in its world-famous academy. But then it would be the American sides putting the famed 4-3-3 system on display, rather than a visiting club from abroad. Call it a pipe dream if you will, but there are several forces combining independently that could see American youth soccer implement the Ajax way.

A natural interest in the Ajax model has awakened in the U.S. "In the youth systems the Ajax influence is quite significant," said youth coach Dave van den Bergh, who played two games for the Dutch national team and 3½ seasons in Major League Soccer after graduating from the Ajax academy. More and more youth coaches and leagues lean on the Ajax methods for raising their players, to teach them that all-important technique a lot of American players have traditionally lacked. "With the practices I've seen, you see that a lot of people try to emulate the Ajax methods," van den Bergh said. "They've read the book, seen the DVDs and try to do the same thing."

The book van den Bergh spoke of is the new U.S. Soccer Coaching Curriculum. Developed by U.S. Youth Soccer technical director Claudio Reyna, who traveled to Amsterdam to observe the Ajax academy several times while researching it, this 123-page document is intended as a roadmap for developing the American player of the future. In it, you'll find recommendations of playing offensive-minded 4-3-3 soccer with wide attacking wingers, advancing wing backs and a playmaker behind the lone striker, as well as a focus on technique, routine and repetition to help students learn the importance of spatial awareness and pressing.

In the near future, the club will seek out an MLS team to open a joint youth academy. This would fold into a larger strategy Ajax plans to implement in the coming years, which will see the club try to monetize its good name in youth development. For all its fame, Ajax trails clubs from much richer European leagues in earning potential. While English, Spanish and Italian clubs can trade on their names worldwide to clean up in broadcasting and merchandising, Ajax has only its reputation. The club was the seventh-most successful European club of the 20th century, winning four European championships and producing generation after generation of superstars such as Johan Cruyff, Marco van Basten, Frank Rijkaard, Clarence Seedorf, Patrick Kluivert and, more recently, Wesley Sneijder and Rafael van der Vaart. But although the Ajax academy has consistently supplied the world's best clubs and the Dutch national team with some of their best talent, these days the senior team's games and jerseys aren't interesting to anybody outside of the Netherlands. Thus Ajax can't afford to hold onto the wealth of talent it produces anymore.

So Ajax has had to come up with a different approach to competing for the public's mind share, one that involves U.S. soccer.
This is Ajax's way of establishing a foothold in the American market, which it sees as valuable now that MLS has steadily grown. But Keane said Ajax can't afford to buy an MLS franchise, like Barcelona has considered. Instead, "we want to do it through our academy system, that's our ace in the hole, that's what Ajax is good at," Keane said. "That's what could help a big club in the U.S. with something there's a lack of in the U.S. -- structure and quality of youth development."

The idea is that Ajax will seek out clubs around the world that are willing to outsource their youth player development through a series of joint academies. The hook: These academies would be run according to Ajax's ideals. They would be "authentic and permanent," Keane said.

Frank de Boer celebrates winning the Dutch league after Ajax defeated FC Twente in May.

"In Amsterdam, we take players in under the age of 10, and if they're very good they make it to the first team when they're 17 or 18," Keane said. "If you can do that in Amsterdam, you could do it elsewhere, too."

But the idea behind the academy-on-every-continent concept isn't to feed players from around the world into the Ajax squad. For its trouble, Keane said the club would ask for recognition -- for starters, in the form of sticking the Ajax name on the club's academy and its teams.
By ALUmnus
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This is so much more beyond just making an MLS team a feeder club for Ajax. It's instituting the entire Ajax developmental system into all of US Soccer. To develop, teach, train, and completely change the style of play taught in this country, from the bottom up. This is what we've needed for a couple decades, so I really hope it finally happens.
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By jbock13
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In international soccer news, Mexico loses to Peru 1-0 in Copa America play.

As someone who used to live in Peru, I am very proud :D
By NG33
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ALUmnus wrote:This is what we've needed for a couple decades, so I really hope it finally happens.
Agreed. It's not necessarily the lack of quality players that deter the US from being a soccer power, but it's the lack of COACHING quality that has stymied growth. I really think once US players grow up in a system with quality coaching then they can actually talk about vying for World Cups.
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By TDDance234
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I agree; our strategy against Mexico was poor at best. We have the talent - we dominated the first 25 minutes of that match or so.

But we lost focus and stopped attacking - that's coaching, IMO.
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