[BJWilliams]

Well Im sure you could just make up another name you know

[NG33]

its either this or major league baseball

I see your point

[jbock13]

Haize, create a profile named "title9lovr" and amuse us a little bit

I mean, things are getting a bit testy around here if you haven't noticed. We need some comic relief.

[Purple Haize]

Wrong about the scholarships...women have more in every other sport to balance out the 85 in football. Have to make up those 85 somewhere. Track for example - 12.6 for men, 18 for women. Soccer - 14 for women, 9.9 for men, etc

Makes sense to me. How else should you balance the numbers? And you can't take football and/or men's bball out of that equation. Not that it matters in your world, but at least here, for now, it is sort of important.
I am not nor have I ever been Roccgrogh
JBOCK - Some other good ones:
"ManDstryr"
"Title9NOW"
"Sweatymanh8r"
But it is too much effort. I am already accused of having other screen names so I dont wanna add fuel to that fire lol

[Aaron Bruce]

http://easterniowanewsnow.com/2010/06/0 ... ts-report/

[Aaron Bruce]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-0 ... dgets.html

[Dan P]

http://easterniowanewsnow.com/2010/06/0 ... ts-report/

Am I reading this correctly?? WOW .... The Iowa wrestling program brings in THREE TIMES the revenue of all of the women sorts COMBINED!?

Do you see what can happen when it's marketed properly? Virginia Tech is doing the same thing (coach Dresser is a master marketer).

[jbock13]

http://easterniowanewsnow.com/2010/06/0 ... ts-report/

Am I reading this correctly?? WOW .... The Iowa wrestling program brings in THREE TIMES the revenue of all of the women sorts COMBINED!?

Do you see what can happen when it's marketed properly? Virginia Tech is doing the same thing (coach Dresser is a master marketer).

Dan, it's a good stretch, but Lynchburg Virginia is not Iowa. Iowa has a tradition of wrestling. Most people in Lynchburg could care less about wrestling. I'm sorry if that's not what you want hear.

[BJWilliams]

Youd be hard pressed to find many states where wrestling is as much a part of life as it would be in Iowa...Wrestling in Iowa is like football in Texas and basketball in Indiana so of course youre going to get huge revenue numbers for wrestling at Iowa and Iowa State (and probably even Northern Iowa if they have a program). Wrestling is not just a sport there...its a part of the culture. Im sure that as soon as kids are able, they're learning how to wrestle. Virginia is a completely different place. yeah there are parts of it where wrestling does well (you have schools like Great Bridge and Grundy that come to my mind), but its not one of those sports that is widespread in its popularity. Virginia (at least in my neck of the woods) is a football/basketball state. I mean you dont see wrestling making the front page of the sports section back home but during football season its not uncommon to see most of if not the entire front page on the Saturday edition taken up by football.

[olldflame]

http://easterniowanewsnow.com/2010/06/0 ... ts-report/

Am I reading this correctly?? WOW .... The Iowa wrestling program brings in THREE TIMES the revenue of all of the women sorts COMBINED!?

Do you see what can happen when it's marketed properly? Virginia Tech is doing the same thing (coach Dresser is a master marketer).

Yeah Dan, that's it. All we need is someone who knows how to market the product.
Here is how Iowa markets their wrestling program.............

23 TIME NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!!

As far as the VT wrestling program is concerned, I wasn't aware they were doing that well................ which may indicate they still need to do some more marketing. I did notice though that you made a point of saying that their COACH is a master marketer. On the other hand, you seem to blame any and all of our program's shortcomings on the AD.

[Aaron Bruce]

Dan, it's a good stretch, but Lynchburg Virginia is not Iowa. Iowa has a tradition of wrestling. Most people in Lynchburg could care less about wrestling. I'm sorry if that's not what you want hear.

You would be surprised. I come over the mountain often to attend youth wrestling tournaments. Jefferson Forrest and Brookville especially have a pile of little rug rats running around. Seriously- standing room only. 300-400 kids with their parents. I was always proud of the Liberty wrestlers volunteering their time being referees.

We never did market the Liberty program very well. I was listening to the Christian radio station when the wrestlers were at the NCAA championships. The Flames update came on and there was absolutely no mention of the wrestlers. Just plenty of baseball and softball.

But, yes…you are correct-it ain’t Iowa.

[Dan P]

http://easterniowanewsnow.com/2010/06/0 ... ts-report/

Am I reading this correctly?? WOW .... The Iowa wrestling program brings in THREE TIMES the revenue of all of the women sorts COMBINED!?

Do you see what can happen when it's marketed properly? Virginia Tech is doing the same thing (coach Dresser is a master marketer).

Dan, it's a good stretch, but Lynchburg Virginia is not Iowa. Iowa has a tradition of wrestling. Most people in Lynchburg could care less about wrestling. I'm sorry if that's not what you want hear.

Jbock and BJ WIlliams --- thank you --appreciate the lesson on the differences between Va and Iowa with regard to wrestling. Gee, I didn't know that.

Seriously --- I do know a thing or two about wresling & its popularity. Just so that you know, the hot-bed for wrestling is Pa. --- Iowa runs a distant 2nd, with Ohio, NY, and NJ hot on Iowa's heels. Additionally --- you mentioned places in Va where the sport is somewhat "hot" (Great Bridge and Grundy) --- no offense, but that is VERY dated. Christiansburg area is the latest hot-bed (for the past 8 years) and Great Bridge was taken out and replaced by Colonial Forge HS (in Stafford, Va --- where I helped coach a few years ago). C-Forge went on to win three straight AAA state titles and a national ranking as high as 9th (out of, what, nearly 22,000 high schools in the country?). Not bad ... I was looking forward to bringing that same model to Lib U.
The Virginia Tech wrestling program is actually making so much money they have brought in 2 extra asst. coaches (paid out of fundraising / revenue the programs brings in). The Hokie Open alone brings in a five figure sum to their program. Due to its incredible popularity in Jr. league and high school level, wrestling can be very, very profitable if it is marketed correctly.
Wow ---- IU's wrestling team brings in 3 TIMES what all of the lady programs make COMBINED!

[jbock13]

Jbock and BJ WIlliams --- thank you --appreciate the lesson on the differences between Va and Iowa with regard to wrestling. Gee, I didn't know that.

Well apparently you still don't.

[Purple Haize]

Jbock and BJ WIlliams --- thank you --appreciate the lesson on the differences between Va and Iowa with regard to wrestling. Gee, I didn't know that.

Seriously --- I do know a thing or two about wresling & its popularity. Just so that you know, the hot-bed for wrestling is Pa. --- Iowa runs a distant 2nd, with Ohio, NY, and NJ hot on Iowa's heels. Additionally --- you mentioned places in Va where the sport is somewhat "hot" (Great Bridge and Grundy) --- no offense, but that is VERY dated. Christiansburg area is the latest hot-bed (for the past 8 years) and Great Bridge was taken out and replaced by Colonial Forge HS (in Stafford, Va --- where I helped coach a few years ago). C-Forge went on to win three straight AAA state titles and a national ranking as high as 9th (out of, what, nearly 22,000 high schools in the country?). Not bad ... I was looking forward to bringing that same model to Lib U. The Virginia Tech wrestling program is actually making so much money they have brought in 2 extra asst. coaches (paid out of fundraising / revenue the programs brings in). The Hokie Open alone brings in a five figure sum to their program. Due to its incredible popularity in Jr. league and high school level, wrestling can be very, very profitable if it is marketed correctly.
Wow ---- IU's wrestling team brings in 3 TIMES what all of the lady programs make COMBINED!

Just thought I would highlight your qualifiers.
Didn't see Virginia listed anywhere there.
YOU were looking forward to bringing? Then why didn't you?
How much money did the wrestling backers pony up? Wasn't it supposed to be 100k? Didn't it get reduced a skosh?
Maybe you need to place the blame on the marketing and fundraising departments instead of the office of the athletic director.

AARON - Again you can't extrapolate what you see in youth leagues to the collegiate or even interscholastic levels. IF that were the case Soccer and LAX would eclipse and replace every other sport!

[L Fan]

Jbock and BJ WIlliams --- thank you --appreciate the lesson on the differences between Va and Iowa with regard to wrestling. Gee, I didn't know that.

Seriously --- I do know a thing or two about wresling & its popularity. Just so that you know, the hot-bed for wrestling is Pa. --- Iowa runs a distant 2nd, with Ohio, NY, and NJ hot on Iowa's heels. Additionally --- you mentioned places in Va where the sport is somewhat "hot" (Great Bridge and Grundy) --- no offense, but that is VERY dated. Christiansburg area is the latest hot-bed (for the past 8 years) and Great Bridge was taken out and replaced by Colonial Forge HS (in Stafford, Va --- where I helped coach a few years ago). C-Forge went on to win three straight AAA state titles and a national ranking as high as 9th (out of, what, nearly 22,000 high schools in the country?). Not bad ... I was looking forward to bringing that same model to Lib U. The Virginia Tech wrestling program is actually making so much money they have brought in 2 extra asst. coaches (paid out of fundraising / revenue the programs brings in). The Hokie Open alone brings in a five figure sum to their program. Due to its incredible popularity in Jr. league and high school level, wrestling can be very, very profitable if it is marketed correctly.
Wow ---- IU's wrestling team brings in 3 TIMES what all of the lady programs make COMBINED!

Just thought I would highlight your qualifiers.
Didn't see Virginia listed anywhere there.
YOU were looking forward to bringing? Then why didn't you?
How much money did the wrestling backers pony up? Wasn't it supposed to be 100k? Didn't it get reduced a skosh?
Maybe you need to place the blame on the marketing and fundraising departments instead of the office of the athletic director.

Translation: "I'm really close to the AD, you couldn't be much closer"

[Purple Haize]

Well, if you are so close to the AD why don't you use your influence to change his mind!

[L Fan]

Jbock and BJ WIlliams --- thank you --appreciate the lesson on the differences between Va and Iowa with regard to wrestling. Gee, I didn't know that.

Seriously --- I do know a thing or two about wresling & its popularity. Just so that you know, the hot-bed for wrestling is Pa. --- Iowa runs a distant 2nd, with Ohio, NY, and NJ hot on Iowa's heels. Additionally --- you mentioned places in Va where the sport is somewhat "hot" (Great Bridge and Grundy) --- no offense, but that is VERY dated. Christiansburg area is the latest hot-bed (for the past 8 years) and Great Bridge was taken out and replaced by Colonial Forge HS (in Stafford, Va --- where I helped coach a few years ago). C-Forge went on to win three straight AAA state titles and a national ranking as high as 9th (out of, what, nearly 22,000 high schools in the country?). Not bad ... I was looking forward to bringing that same model to Lib U. The Virginia Tech wrestling program is actually making so much money they have brought in 2 extra asst. coaches (paid out of fundraising / revenue the programs brings in). The Hokie Open alone brings in a five figure sum to their program. Due to its incredible popularity in Jr. league and high school level, wrestling can be very, very profitable if it is marketed correctly.
Wow ---- IU's wrestling team brings in 3 TIMES what all of the lady programs make COMBINED!

AARON - Again you can't extrapolate what you see in youth leagues to the collegiate or even interscholastic levels. IF that were the case Soccer and LAX would eclipse and replace every other sport!

I think you missed the point AGAIN! here's a hint- profit

[Purple Haize]

If by profit you mean that youth events have a potential to bring in a BOATLOAD of money, you are 100% correct. But that is with ANY sport.

[ktmrider]

Dan P -could you send me a PM - I am new to the forum and it will not allow me to send a PM to you right now since I have not been that active on here yet. Want to share some thoughts with you regarding my situation - thanks.

[Dan P]

Purple -- In conducting additional research on this issue --- It seems that college wrestling brings in more money than ANY of the female sports - not even close.

And ... at some schools, wrestling brings in 3 TIMES the revenue of all of the women sports COMBINED!
Pull VT records --- you'll be shocked. And ... last I checked, Blacksburg isn't in Iowa, or Pa. Yes, it CAN be done in southwest VA when you have a coach and an AD that know how to market & have the energy to do it.
Jesse tried many times to get LU's sports media to send out press releases and assist with advertisement. Nearly everytime he was denied. The wrestlers actually petitioned the school to have annoucements made at ConVo on the days they had a home dual meet - just like they do for football and ladies basketball- yet, they were denied. The varsity wrestlers were standing outside of the Vines center one day before convo handing out paper flyers announcing the home dual meet that day. 99% of the kids they talked to had no idea the wrestling team had a meet that day --- record turnout that night at the dual.

Bottom line --- with the right support, we could have made LU wrestling into a world class machine. Like I said, I led the C-Forge wrestling booster's club and was willing to bring that same model to LU. Jesse told me the AD would never support it. Shame on the AD.
But I do take comfort in knowing that college wrestling brings in more $ that any of the women sports! And in some cases ---- 3 Times more than all of the women sports COMBINED!

[SuperJon]

We're still whining about this? Wow.

[Purple Haize]

Dan - Here's the deal. I never said that women's sports bring in more money then men's sports, or even wrestling as a whole. Secondly, you only give 2 examples of wrestling programs and keep getting all excited about Iowa brining in 3x's as much as women's sports combined. Considering VT and Iowa aren't exactly bastions of women's sports, let alone basketball, I say so what? I would be interesed to see how much money wrestling programs bring in at UCONN and Tennessee compared to their women's sports. Also, the PAC 10 traditionally has had a good balance but I have not looked at those numbers in year.
Sooo, kudos on the investigation, but again, please cite your sources. I have tried to cite the sources where I get my info on. Always remember: "There are lies, dang lies and statistics"!

[Purple Haize]

We're still whining about this? Wow.

It is either that or the fact that Zambrano almost coughed up a 5 run lead against the Astro's last nite!

[Aaron Bruce]

I would be interesed to see how much money wrestling programs bring in at UCONN and Tennessee compared to their women's sports.

Wish we could brother, wish we could…both wrestling programs dropped. If I have my history correct, Tennessee was tough back in the day.

[Aaron Bruce]

Dan - Here's the deal. I never said that women's sports bring in more money then men's sports

You did say this:

Pat Summit brings a ton of money to her university

That, of course, has now been proven to be totally false.