[pbow]

Yea I agree people are taking the Fab 5's comments wayyy out of context. Maybe he shouldn't have used the term "Uncle Toms", but we all know there was some truth in what he said.

[jbock13]

I'm still baffled. Did people not watch these comments in their context? Maybe Rose made things worse in his interviews since the episode, I don't know, I haven't seen them. But getting offended from the actual Fab 5 special seems odd to me.

The reason I'm still confused is in his interviews since the episode, he hasn't said a thing about what he believes today. He's entitled to say how he felt back then. But if he still feels that way today, that's my problem.

[jenkins]

why should he not be allowed to respond? That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. if somebody went on air and said that kinda stuff about you i doubt you would like it. If he wants to respond to it he can and should. Also, Jalen and i believe it was King have been all over ESPN the last couple days on multiple shows and they wouldn't say they were off base with the uncle tom comment or that thats not the way the felt today. The only thing i will say that made jalen seem a bit more mature is that he elaborated on the fact that he felt like that at age 18..but skip pressed him harder to admit it was a huge stretch and indecent to make that kinda comment and neither of them would back off at all, so how can you think anything other than he still believes that if he wont say it.

[jenkins]

and for the record, it doesn't offend me that they say that stuff. i actually like it wehn people say there true feelings. However, it does show you the maturity level and prove the reason why a team like Duke would never and should never recruit players like that. Coach K doesn't need to recruit questionable players to win...so why he should he, or why should be be villified for doing it the right way. Thats my whole point, i couldn't care less about what they said. it's just that there premise is ludicrous to say that duke is somehow disciminating against them because they won't recruit those kind of guys. If it was an average academic school, like a Tennessee or some SEC schools then some of what they say would be more accurate.

[RubberMallet]

I'm still baffled. Did people not watch these comments in their context? Maybe Rose made things worse in his interviews since the episode, I don't know, I haven't seen them. But getting offended from the actual Fab 5 special seems odd to me.

The reason I'm still confused is in his interviews since the episode, he hasn't said a thing about what he believes today. He's entitled to say how he felt back then. But if he still feels that way today, that's my problem.

jalen said what its how he felt 20 years ago. not today. in a tweet.

[jbock13]

I'm still baffled. Did people not watch these comments in their context? Maybe Rose made things worse in his interviews since the episode, I don't know, I haven't seen them. But getting offended from the actual Fab 5 special seems odd to me.

The reason I'm still confused is in his interviews since the episode, he hasn't said a thing about what he believes today. He's entitled to say how he felt back then. But if he still feels that way today, that's my problem.

jalen said what its how he felt 20 years ago. not today. in a tweet.

alright thanks. When he went on all those ESPN shows after his comments, he just kind of spun and never even answered the question.

[RubberMallet]

it is wierd that he is doing that. however, i assume its more a ploy to get people that didn't watch it, to watch it. its apparently already the most watch espn documentary by quite a bit.

[Purple Haize]

I'm still baffled. Did people not watch these comments in their context? Maybe Rose made things worse in his interviews since the episode, I don't know, I haven't seen them. But getting offended from the actual Fab 5 special seems odd to me.

The reason I'm still confused is in his interviews since the episode, he hasn't said a thing about what he believes today. He's entitled to say how he felt back then. But if he still feels that way today, that's my problem.

jalen said what its how he felt 20 years ago. not today. in a tweet.

Was the "Tweet" in the documentary? No? Then that is why it is easy to think Rose feels this way today. It would have been very easy to say "Back then we thought all the Duke players were Uncle Toms." But he didnt. IMO he left it intentionally vague to stir up discussion and I don't think a "Tweet" balances out the 2 hour show.
Grant Hill's response was classy and great. He acknowledged the impact of the Fab 5, unlike Rose's comments that demeaned successful and intelligent black players at Duke. He said that he had known and been friends with the Fab 5 players for years, a fact neglected by Rose and his pals by calling the "biches".
Character counts.

[RubberMallet]

uh. the duke thing was a 5 minute segment on the show. not 2 hours. and based off every intelligent person i've talked to, they all seemed to understand sans the tweet that he was refering to 20 years ago.

once again, i highly doubt he even watched. which makes his response even more hilarious. and he got all the knuckleheads hook line and sinker "OOOOO LOOK HOW CLASSY AND INTELLIGENT HE IS!!!"...

[Purple Haize]

uh. the duke thing was a 5 minute segment on the show. not 2 hours. and based off every intelligent person i've talked to, they all seemed to understand sans the tweet that he was refering to 20 years ago.

once again, i highly doubt he even watched. which makes his response even more hilarious. and he got all the knuckleheads hook line and sinker "OOOOO LOOK HOW CLASSY AND INTELLIGENT HE IS!!!"...

I watched it (twice, hey I thought it was good) and the program focused alot more than 5 minutes on the rivalry with Duke. In fact, Duke appeared to be the Arch Nemesis for about 1/2 the program. They kept going to one of the Duke games, Reg season, tourney whatever. I obviously don't know your intelligent people and you don't know mine, but sometimes you have to listen to what is NOT said. He did NOT say this was how he felt 20 years ago. He did NOT say that his view has changed. If his view has changed he did NOT say when and why it changed. He made the biches and uncle tom comments and let them stand. I believe he was either a producer or director of the program, so he can't blame bad editing. But I will agree with you that you need to consider the voice of immaturity that the comments come from.

[RubberMallet]

i'm assuming he didn't feel like he needed to say more. most people figured it out. some just don't have the capacity i guess.

[Purple Haize]

i'm assuming he didn't feel like he needed to say more. most people figured it out. some just don't have the capacity i guess.

And it would be equally safe to assume that he didn't say more b/c that is how he still feels.

[RubberMallet]

even though he's said that its not? oh ok.

[Purple Haize]

Not in the "documentary" he didn't. Which is why I said he left it intentionaly vague. He can say what he wants in the "Tweetverse" but 5, 10 years from now, no one is going to remember what he "Tweeted" but they will be watching re runs of the show.

[El Scorcho]

Maybe he shouldn't have used the term "Uncle Toms", but we all know there was some truth in what he said.

Uh, no. We don't. Maybe it is your opinion that there is, but that's all it is.

[Purple Haize]

Maybe he shouldn't have used the term "Uncle Toms", but we all know there was some truth in what he said.

Uh, no. We don't. Maybe it is your opinion that there is, but that's all it is.

Well there WAS a THOMAS Hill that played for them. I am sure his nephews and neices call him Uncle Tom. So maybe he DOES have a point!

[pbow]

Agree to disagree then...I'm not saying the players that play there are Uncle Toms, but I do agree that Duke only recruits a certain type of player.

[Schfourteenteen]

5, 10 years from now, no one is going to remember what he "Tweeted" but they will be watching re runs of the show.

How many documentaries from 10 years ago do you watch?

[olldflame]

Agree to disagree then...I'm not saying the players that play there are Uncle Toms, but I do agree that Duke only recruits a certain type of player.

And your point?? Are you suggesting they should bring in the occasional thug for the sake of diversity? For the most part, the players Duke recruits are kids just about every other program in the country would like to sign if they could.

[jenkins]

once again..why take players with problems when you get good players that are smart from good backgrounds? Every school would do it if they could. The hate that duke gets is ridiculous and completely unfounded.

[Purple Haize]

I guess not all the people got the TWEET Memo from Jalen:

In the infamous documentary “The Fab Five” and in multiple follow-up interviews about the ESPN show he produced, Rose complained: “Schools like Duke didn’t recruit players like me.”

From the following article:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketb ... int-032111

[RubberMallet]

jason whitlock is kind of a retard.


http://deadspin.com/#!5782677/espn-jale ... ontroversy

[Purple Haize]

From the DeadSpin article:

Rose: "As a 17-year old recruit, that's exactly how I felt. [...] Now, I understand what their program represents, because I'm a mature adult. I know it's a private school, that they do recruit players from well-to-do, affluent families. But also, I understand some of the reason why—so that they don't see some of the players selling goods for money. Also, they want to have kids who represent the program the right way. I get all of that. But that's the minority. I was speaking for the majority. And that's how I felt then."

Bayless: "So you don't feel that way today?"

Rose: "Well, the bottom line is this: they do recruit a certain kind of player. They recruit a lot of players from private schools."

Rose's explanation-apology doesn't apologize for or explain much. Rather, its vagueness only creates more discussion.

The simple way to deflate the controversy -
Bayless "So you don't feel that way today"
Rose: "No"
Was that so hard? Does he now feel that the 'majority' of black players are incapapble of representing a program in the right way? Does he have a bias towards private schools?

Again, it points to the contrast of a Rose v Hill. Certain people can only feel better about themselves by tearing others down. Again, the Fab 5 was a cultural bombshell, but where are they now? Grant Hill and the other Duke players have created something that will last (as has Georgetown) What lasting legacy has Rose left? THAT, IMO, is what is still gnawing at him all these years later.

[RubberMallet]

you've made it into more than what it really is. you and jason whitlock.

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/03/2 ... re_twitter

[thepostman]

Rose would be stupid to apologize...look at the success the documentary has had with this controversy...