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By 01LUGrad
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jmdickens wrote:I still say its Ron Paul....like Paul, Reagan lost in 1976 in the primaries, leading up to his victory in 1980. I know that is a stretch and was decades ago.
Huck lost 2 years ago too, but...
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By Covert Hawk
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Newt and Huck were behind Obama by double digits according to CNN poll.

I think a similar situation does exist between 2012 and 1980. Since it is clear that Obama favors big government solutions to our economic problems, the economy will get worse and in the end it will be clear that big government is to blame. Voters will have little tolerance for further government solutions, and in such an environment Ron Paul (dismissed as unelectable like Ronald Reagan in 1976) can win the White House in 2012.
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By Sly Fox
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I have followed Ron Paul since I first interviewed him two decades ago. In fact, he was my congressman for a number of years. And I can safely say Ron Paul is no Ronald Reagan. That said, I wouldn't rule out voting for the man.
By jmdickens
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no one is calling ron paul ronald reagan....but, the situation is similar. Ron Paul appeals to the intellect while Reagan appealed to peoples emotions
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By LUminary
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I kind of like another Paul -- Paul Ryan. Might be a good choice in the face of fiscal challenges. But I believe he has basically ruled out running in 2012. His reason was something like "my head isn't big enough and my kids are too small."
By jmdickens
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typical politician....looks like some hero. He calls out the guy who doesnt have a mic and throws out the whole..."people like you divide, we are trying to unite" line of BS.
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By Covert Hawk
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LUminary wrote:I kind of like another Paul -- Paul Ryan. Might be a good choice in the face of fiscal challenges.
Yea he sure talks a good game. He recently told ABC news..
"I am the budget chairman. I am a Republican. I am a conservative. I have been pointing out the big flaws of all of the taxing and the spending that has been going on around here."
But his rhetoric doesn't match his voting record...
Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli
-Voted YES on TARP (2008)
-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)
-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs
-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)
-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education
Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties
-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad
-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Read the rest here

I wouldn't expect too much from this pseudo-budget cutter.
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By jbock13
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I will NOT under any circumstances vote for Newt. He is a traitor, compromiser, and a wacko environmentalist.

This is why I like Sarah Palin. Let the hate on begin. Because a conservative libertarian, Newt and Romney would be a disaster. Why does every Romney supporter purposely seem to forget Obamacare was based on his socialized health care bill?
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According to a new CNN poll of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, Ron has the best chance against Obama of all the candidates.
According to the poll, taken before the announcement of Osama bin Laden's death, President Barack Obama has an edge over all the top GOP candidates in hypothetical match-ups.

Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama.
Read the rest here
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By 01LUGrad
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I hope I am wrong, but I honestly think we can pack it in and wait until 2016. I'm not saying that any Republican candidates wouldn't do a great job, but I honestly think that there is no possible way for one of them to beat the Obama PR machine that is the media.
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Covert Hawk wrote:According to a new CNN poll of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, Ron has the best chance against Obama of all the candidates.
According to the poll, taken before the announcement of Osama bin Laden's death, President Barack Obama has an edge over all the top GOP candidates in hypothetical match-ups.

Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama.
Read the rest here
meanwhile, he's considered a minor candidate and clintonerrrr pawlenty is a major candidate. the GOP will do anything they can to not have this guy nominated. he is a money raising mistro, he is intellectually superior to any of these other moops, and he's been dead on about he endlessness of foreign interventionalism and the frailty of our banking system.

people say he's too out there with some of his policy's, yet these idiot vote in the same clowns over and over and over again. No longer can you say "we weren't given a choice"....sorry you were, you were just to busy watching fox news.
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By jbock13
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I really liked Paul's answer on foreign wars, but I disagreed with him on waterboarding strongly and idk if he realizes this but when he talks about "secret government prisons", that's where he picks up the kooks and conspiracy nuts...
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This article on bin Laden discusses them. It's from May 2nd and discusses how we got the bin Laden information.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/us_po ... ia_prison/

They do exist... Came out as part of the whole water boarding crap storm that happened in 2007.
"Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden’s most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed’s successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania."
Not trying to start any trouble or change the subject, just clarifying why he has his position.
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By jbock13
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Well if they were secret, I guess they aren't now!

Bottom line, I just totally disagree that waterboarding is torture.
By 4everfsu
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jbock13 wrote:Well if they were secret, I guess they aren't now!

Bottom line, I just totally disagree that waterboarding is torture.
Regardless if one thinks it is torture or not, we got the results we were looking. Better to have the enemy suffer for a little while if it means saving our citizens lives.
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By Cider Jim
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Several news reports are confirming that Herman Cain won the recent Republican debate.

Didn't he speak at LU's Convocation just a year or two ago? If so, does anyone remember his message or what they thought of him?
Last edited by Cider Jim on May 8th, 2011, 12:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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By jbock13
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CJ, his first name is Herman :D

I like listening to his radio show but during the debate there were things I disagreed with him on. Mainly that he gave the impression we should continue fighting in Afghanistan, and (as I interpreted it) add more troops there.

I did like Gary Johnson, but he sounded like a whiny baby the whole time.

T Paw has many questions to answer on his environmental beliefs and supporting heavy regulation.

Ron Paul, eh, it was hit and miss for me.
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