[bigsmooth]

mark hine is an idiot, and should have some type of disciplinary action taken for saying something so stupid. have you ever heard or seen this guy at a basketball game?? the stuff he says and the way he acts...real Christ like.. thanks mechildress for coming in and giving your side of the story.

[jinxy]

sick of this,

[ATrain]

mark hine is an idiot, and should have some type of disciplinary action taken for saying something so stupid. have you ever heard or seen this guy at a basketball game?? the stuff he says and the way he acts...real Christ like.. thanks mechildress for coming in and giving your side of the story.

+1
I've been wanting to say that for a long time.

[LUconn]

this is the stuff locks are made of.

[mechildress]

Well that's interesting. With the "revised" decision, what are we signing for? To get official status?

Not sure what you mean about the "revised" decision. We want to be reestablished to the point we were.

[mechildress]

mark hine is an idiot, and should have some type of disciplinary action taken for saying something so stupid. have you ever heard or seen this guy at a basketball game?? the stuff he says and the way he acts...real Christ like.. thanks mechildress for coming in and giving your side of the story.

I would like to agree with you, but that is probably not the best move right now!

[mrmacphisto]

this is the stuff locks are made of.

It's teetering. Precariously teetering.

[olldflame]

this is the stuff locks are made of.

It's teetering. Precariously teetering.

Since the moderator of this forum is the one who made the post which would likely make it "lockable", My guess is it will stay open unless Sly decides otherwise. Sometimes I do think we get a little loose calling people things like idiot and moron on here.

[whmatthews]

A little late to the party. I think it's a common sense and great move by Liberty.

[mrmacphisto]

Since the moderator of this forum is the one who made the post which would likely make it "lockable", My guess is it will stay open unless Sly decides otherwise.

bigsmooth is the mod?

[olldflame]

yep.

[bigsmooth]

yes i am a mod on the board for some of the pages and do not think this needs to be locked yet. the comments i made about hine though strong is what i believe and what i have seen and heard directly. if sly or scorcho want to shut it down, then so be it, but im leaving it open.

[LUconn]

this is the stuff locks are made of.

It's teetering. Precariously teetering.

Since the moderator of this forum is the one who made the post which would likely make it "lockable", My guess is it will stay open unless Sly decides otherwise. Sometimes I do think we get a little loose calling people things like idiot and moron on here.

It seems like it's generally acceptable to use such names when they're directed at shuck. That's why I kinda like having him around.

[Sly Fox]

I admit that I do have strong misgivings about using a term that takes a discussion to a personal level. I would prefer we keep the discussion based on the topic and not individuals per our forum rules. But I am not closing the thread. I am just asking that we stay focused more on the decisions than individual personalities.

[mechildress]

We are heading in to negotiations tomorrow. Not sure what will come if it though.

[JK37]

I have followed this situation since it came to my attention Friday afternoon. I have refrained from posting until now, but I have enjoyed everyone’s musings on the topic. A few of my thoughts…

First, I’m a little disappointed that so many on here, most of them Liberty alumni, scorched the University early for the decision they made, trusting the media before hearing Chancellor Falwell’s official response and side of the story. I expect I and my fellow alumni in the future will not jump to such harsh conclusions so quickly.

Secondly, IF Mark Hine made the statement he did, then he erred in judgment, to be sure. But is it possible that in a meeting with Childress and others, he may have alluded more to the effect of a person’s inability to be a Christian, and endorse the Democratic platform as a whole? None of us – aside from Hine, Childress and others present – may know for sure. But I’m not about to assume that Mr. Hine would make such a bold and all-encompassing statement as Democrats cannot be Christians, or vice versa. Instead, I choose to trust Chancellor Falwell in his statement, “Never has the University or its officials said that a person cannot be a Christian and a Democrat.”

Third, I agree with the decision in its form outlined by Chancellor Falwell in both his email, as well as his op-ed piece published on the LU website. At no time would I want my alma mater to lend its name, or funding to a group which endorses candidates whose moral decisions are contrary to the Bible. No one on here is debating the biblical principles behind the University’s positions on abortion and marriage. Why then are some disputing a decision the University has made based squarely upon those biblical doctrines?

The issues of abortion and marriage to the American public are considered social issues. However, to Christians, these are issues of morality, with clear points of right and wrong as accorded throughout Scripture. The importance of this difference cannot be understated. It is upon this moral dilemma that the University chose to act, and continues to defend its decision.

Furthermore, the LU chapter of the College Democrats club did apparently state within its charter that it is a pro-life and pro-family (one man-one woman) organization. I applaud the members of the group for taking such a stand. However, by Childress’ own admission in this forum, the club placed an endorsement in now-President Obama during his election campaign. Based upon his career voting record, he is arguably the most liberal-minded national public servant ever to hold the position. In addition, he is an unabashed proponent of abortion rights. Therefore, the club’s endorsement of him, presumably just because he is a Democrat, is just as reprehensible as any alleged (and I believe, false) remarks of a college administrator that a Christian cannot be a Democrat (or vice versa).

Finally, I am proud to be an alum of an institution which has made such a decision. I wish the College Democrats of LU well in their continued debate of various issues among the student body, and also in their desire to effect change within the Democratic Party. I am also grateful to Chancellor Falwell and the LU administrators involved in the decision for making a sound judgment in their continued biblical representation of these moral issues.

[Hold My Own]

That's a great post!


I have a question for those familiar with the group. If you indeed will not support someone that is a Dem yet is OK with abortion and same sex marriage...then who will you support? Were there any Dem's running this last go around that does not support same sex marriage while opposes abortion? I find it hard to believe that this group will simply sit on the sidelines not supporting any candidate b/c they may support these things...I think it will be a rare case if a Dem rises with the chance to a significant public office position that is on our sides on both of those issues.

[SuperJon]

Obama was against same sex marriage.

[Baldspot]

Apart from my wife and father, Mark Hine is my best friend. I've known him for 25 years and worked with him on many issues as delicate as this. He's a consummate professional and a huge Liberty sports fan. You may still be able to see a picture on his LU page of his parents posing with a New York governor who was very pro-abortion. He's very proud of the picture. Since this incident, I have only spoken with him on facebook about a drag race he's involved in and a 18 wheeler he's working on. He worked many years thru college as an auto mechanic and fire restoration professional. He has many friends who are Democrats and certainly knows the difference between politics and Christianity.

I can't vouch for the professionalism of the 18 year old student leader and advisor (who I understand has risen to the level of secretarial status at the school) because I don't know them but a simple google of their names turns up quotes attributed to them by the media outlets that directly contradict what Mechildress has stated on this board.

Do I believe JJ, Staver and Hine or a secretary and an 18 year old student? That's not a tough choice.

[mechildress]

Do I believe JJ, Staver and Hine or a secretary and an 18 year old student? That's not a tough choice.

You don't have to make a choice who to believe...the decision is in writing and was very clear as to what we could and could not do.

[Hold My Own]

Obama was against same sex marriage.

Yes while pushing some of the worst abortion laws we've ever seen...so per their bylaws they could not have supported him


you have to read what I wrote, I said both...one or the other I'm sure we'll see...but both that are mentioned in their bylaws I find hard to believe

[Cider Jim]

That's a great post!
I have a question for those familiar with the group.

I in no way endorse them, HMO, but if you want to learn more about them, here is their website: http://www.lucd.org

[LUconn]

The whole "can't be a Christian and a Dem" is he said she said, BUT she did quote the email which specifically says they can NOT meet on campus. Now they say they can. The university has done a little bit of back tracking. So let's not act like we're all a bunch of lemmings for believing the first reports.

[Ed Dantes]

I hardly think this decision was about the Obama endorsement.

John McCain voted in favor of expanding embryonic stem cell research, you know... How is that a "pro-life" stance?

[Baldspot]

Do I believe JJ, Staver and Hine or a secretary and an 18 year old student? That's not a tough choice.

You don't have to make a choice who to believe...the decision is in writing and was very clear as to what we could and could not do.

Everything's in writing amd nothing to believe - ok.
From your own post:

His final statement was that Democrats cannot possibly be Christians

Where is that quote attributed to Mark by yours trully - in writing?