[LUconn]

I've been asking myself if I would or would not have done the same thing if I had the opportunity, and I can't say that I wouldn't have. If any of us were Division I talent, but didn't get recruited by the school we wanted, and did really well at another school and the school we wanted (or school in the conference we wanted to be in) called and said they'd reconsidered, would or would you not transfer?

I can't say that I wouldn't...not sure that I would, but definitely can't say that I wouldn't.

I would tell them to go pound sand. Let's see, you didn't want to have anything to do with me and this other school was excited to have me. Yeah tough choice.

[belcherboy]

I'm late in posting here (I was enjoying reading this for the past week), but I can TOTALLY understand why Seth jumped ship. He was arguably the best freshman in the nation. I say arguably because he played in the Big South (personally I don't think he would be a top 5 freshman player in most major conferences). If he feels he can play pro ball, he has a lot he has to prove. He just will not be given that chance in the Big South. No offense, I loved Liberty and enjoyed the rivalries of the Big South, but it isn't a place were pro athletes come to play. We see one or two in each sport every decade or so, but if you have talent and serious aspirations of becoming pro, Liberty isn't a good choice. Again, it's not that one cannot make it to the pro's from here, but there is a high probability that you are going to be doubled and possibly tripled teamed every night. If you have little help, it can have an adverse affect on your exposure to pro scouts.

I'm disappointed like any Liberty fan is, but we weren't winning any NCAA tourney games with just Seth Currey. We need more, and our coach seems to have the ability to recruit. Perhaps in the next few years we can begin to develop a program that some of the top blue chip athletes will want to be a part of.

[coolhandluke]

I'm late in posting here (I was enjoying reading this for the past week), but I can TOTALLY understand why Seth jumped ship. He was arguably the best freshman in the nation. I say arguably because he played in the Big South (personally I don't think he would be a top 5 freshman player in most major conferences). If he feels he can play pro ball, he has a lot he has to prove. He just will not be given that chance in the Big South. No offense, I loved Liberty and enjoyed the rivalries of the Big South, but it isn't a place were pro athletes come to play. We see one or two in each sport every decade or so, but if you have talent and serious aspirations of becoming pro, Liberty isn't a good choice. Again, it's not that one cannot make it to the pro's from here, but there is a high probability that you are going to be doubled and possibly tripled teamed every night. If you have little help, it can have an adverse affect on your exposure to pro scouts.

I'm disappointed like any Liberty fan is, but we weren't winning any NCAA tourney games with just Seth Currey. We need more, and our coach seems to have the ability to recruit. Perhaps in the next few years we can begin to develop a program that some of the top blue chip athletes will want to be a part of.

First of all you misspelled his last name.

Secondly, you can talk all the crap you want about the Big South and how it is holding Liberty back. But saying Liberty "isn't a place were pro athletes come to play. We see one or two in each sport every decade or so, but if you have talent and serious aspirations of becoming pro, Liberty isn't a good choice" is just bad taste man. If you call yourself a true Liberty fan you would never say that. Yes, it may be true that most of our athletes do not go pro. But its that way at most colleges. In a very rare case an entire starting five goes pro (example: UNC's five from '04 I believe). But in most cases only one, maybe two players from a very good team will make it in the NBA.

Lastly, how can you understand him jumping ship? It would be like applying for a job at Starbucks and being turned down, then going to work at a little coffee shop that no one has ever heard of and quickly becoming the manager there and running the show. Then all of the sudden Starbucks come knocking at your door offering you the job you originally applied for.

So basically, it is insulting to Seth to go to one of the schools that had nothing to do with him just a little over a year ago.

But Seth can just go ahead and get involved in the corporate infrastructure of "Starbucks" where he will never become the manager like he was here at Liberty.

But which one looks better on a resume? Being an average employee at Starbucks for 3 years or being the manager at a different coffeeshop for 4?

I say he had a better shot at going pro in the situation he had here. He was going to get his 20 a game here. At an ACC school he is not going to get that. He will be the 3rd or 4th option on his team and will be lucky to average 10 a game. And he's not going to make the NBA as a shooting guard averaging 10 points a game...

[Hold My Own]

Seth wasn't in the top 25 of freshman in the nation. Don't forget these schools like Memphis and others have these 1 and done kids going to the NBA not the ACC

[SethUsedWeLose]

His chances of making the NBA are DEFINITELY better at LU than a big school. I've used this example in my facebook group, but look at Eric Maynor from VCU. He's a guy, a lot like Curry. He was definitely more of a shooting guard when he arrived at VCU, he learned the point guard position out of need. Passed on by all of the big schools, and was recruited by Capel when he was the coach at VCU. VCU wasn't known the way it is now. It is known now b/c of two great coaches, and Eric Maynor being the man. If Maynor had left VCU to go to Oklahoma or any other school when he had the chance, he would have never gotten a chance to be "the man". Consequently, he never would have impressed the media, and the NBA scouts. So instead of being a possible first round choice this year, he would be playing in the D-league or in Europe. Not to mention, VCU would probably be a good CAA team, but not nearly the media darling they have become. Seth is absolutely blowing his chance of being a star. He will never sniff a 20 point average again.

[dompennix]

His chances of making the NBA are DEFINITELY better at LU than a big school. I've used this example in my facebook group, but look at Eric Maynor from VCU. He's a guy, a lot like Curry. He was definitely more of a shooting guard when he arrived at VCU, he learned the point guard position out of need. Passed on by all of the big schools, and was recruited by Capel when he was the coach at VCU. VCU wasn't known the way it is now. It is known now b/c of two great coaches, and Eric Maynor being the man. If Maynor had left VCU to go to Oklahoma or any other school when he had the chance, he would have never gotten a chance to be "the man". Consequently, he never would have impressed the media, and the NBA scouts. So instead of being a possible first round choice this year, he would be playing in the D-league or in Europe. Not to mention, VCU would probably be a good CAA team, but not nearly the media darling they have become. Seth is absolutely blowing his chance of being a star. He will never sniff a 20 point average again.

I don't think Seth cares about being a star and putting up all the points for his team, and if he was that would be more selfish than leaving. I think he just wants to play better competition and not be double teamed.

[paradox]

Seth was just an 18 year old twig this year. He is not even close to being fully developed, physically.

In all honesty, I would be surprised if he wasn't highly successful in an ACC program like Duke.

I'm not defending the Currys, but they do have other options. They appear to be just as displesed with the Southern as they are with the Big South. How in the world does the Southern have its tournement in Chattanooga this year? I know, it was probably established at least a couple of years in advance. But if you're the Southern, don't you at least make an effort to get out of that contract, by cutting a deal, and try to put Davidson in a better position. Unfortuantely, for the Southern, a weak Chattanooga team gets to the dance, by winning the tourney on their home floor. So, right now, the Currys are trying to get the conference tourney permanently moved to Charlotte next year, and if that gets done, then Steph will likely play his senior year at Davidson.

Was the Big South going to do anything to accomodate a talent like Seth. Apparently not. Can we think of an instance where a player had performances like Seth did against UVA, Mason, and Clemson, got triple teamed in his conference, and made only second team in that conference. Heck, there were a couple of games when we were struggling with Jesse out of the lineup, and we were down big late, and teams were still keying on Seth, trying to shut him down. What's that all about. Given all the negative signals generating from the Big South, coupled with the red carpet offered him by some ACC, I think that his decision was basically a no-brainer. Goodbye Big South, hello ACC. The ACC actually wants him this time, and the Big South could care less. So, in little over a year the tables have turned.

I have nothing against smaller conferences, but if some, such as ours, happen have a small fry mentality, then they should expect to lose the big fish. Losing Seth is a huge loss for the Big South, but it's doubtful that they will see it that way.

I'm still a Curry fan, and I wish them well.

[UNCA Alum]

Unfortuantely, for the Southern, a weak Chattanooga team gets to the dance, by winning the tourney on their home floor. So, right now, the Currys are trying to get the conference tourney permanently moved to Charlotte next year, and if that gets done, then Steph will likely play his senior year at Davidson.

Was the Big South going to do anything to accomodate a talent like Seth. Apparently not. Can we think of an instance where a player had performances like Seth did against UVA, Mason, and Clemson, got triple teamed in his conference, and made only second team in that conference. Heck, there were a couple of games when we were struggling with Jesse out of the lineup, and we were down big late, and teams were still keying on Seth, trying to shut him down. What's that all about. Given all the negative signals generating from the Big South, coupled with the red carpet offered him by some ACC, I think that his decision was basically a no-brainer. Goodbye Big South, hello ACC. The ACC actually wants him this time, and the Big South could care less. So, in little over a year the tables have turned.

Your general line of thinking seems to be that conferences should do everything they can to accomodate not just individual schools, but individual players as well. I disagree with that.

1) I'm sure that the rest of the SoCon (there are other schools besides Davidson, ya know?) would have loved it if they moved the tourney to Charlotte just to maximize the chance that Davidson gets to the tourney during the Steph Curry era. Davidson lost to College of Charleston in the tourney semis.. for the second time this season. Do you think they would have had a better chance of beating them in Charleston, where the SoCon tourney is usually held? Davidson just wasn't that good this year.

2) The "Big South" doesn't pick all-conference teams. It's voted on by coaches, SIDs, media. We have ten teams in the league. Some good players are going to be left off the first team. He was Freshmen of the Year and Second Team All-Conference. Don't know if they revealed vote totals or not, but I would not be surprised if he finished 6th in voting and Anthony Smith finished 5th. And if he's leaving b/c he only made Second Team as a freshman... then I personally could care less about the conference losing him. College basketball is about more than individual honors.

3) Opposing teams should back off and let Seth score his points because Jesse is out? So we can keep him in the Big South? I can really see Eddie Biedenbach in the huddle with five minutes left, "Alright guys.. We are winning by 15 so let's let Seth Curry score a few points here. We don't want him to transfer from the Big South!!"


So what do you think the Big South should have done?

1) Big South Tourney in Lynchburg for the next three seasons
2) Installed a no triple teaming rule
3) Create a conference veto where they can automatically overrule the vote of the people in regards to All-Conference teams

[JMUDukes]

Amazing how so many associated with a school rooted in Christian values can jump on Seth Curry's back so viciously. I've seen a few (very few) posts asking that posters not abuse the kid, but to little avail. A little reminder - this is NOT ABOUT YOU. Its about a kid (another reminder, you're blasting a 19 year old?) who wants to push himself on the most competitive stage possible. He helped the flames to a great year - one that likely wouldn't have been as successful without him.

You all talk about loyalty - how he USED you. We (well, you - since i won't wade into your "Christian values"-based mosh pit again) could spend days debating who gets "used" in college athletics, the institution or the player. I wish Seth the best - he's a talented young man who is doing what we wish more kids had the guts to do - push himself to the limits of his ability.

Peace, haters.

[belcherboy]

First of all you misspelled his last name.

Sorry, (although I'm unsure why it matters)

Secondly, you can talk all the crap you want about the Big South and how it is holding Liberty back. But saying Liberty "isn't a place were pro athletes come to play. We see one or two in each sport every decade or so, but if you have talent and serious aspirations of becoming pro, Liberty isn't a good choice" is just bad taste man. If you call yourself a true Liberty fan you would never say that.

C'mon, let's be realistic. Unfortunately I have a bitter taste in my mouth toward Liberty "homers". My first year at Liberty, we went to the NCAA tourney and played North Carolina. We kept up with the #1 seed well into the second half, we played a GREAT game. I remember returning from spring break and hearing the guys next door to me talking about how Liberty would be a LEGIT final four team in 4-5 years. Basing it all off the NC game. I joked back thinking they were kidding, they were not. Being a true fan doesn't mean sticking your head in the sand and acting like what I said is not true.

Yes, it may be true that most of our athletes do not go pro. But its that way at most colleges. In a very rare case an entire starting five goes pro (example: UNC's five from '04 I believe). But in most cases only one, maybe two players from a very good team will make it in the NBA.

Of course it is like that in most colleges, there are 300+ (I think) D-I schools. The Big South plays in a conference that might see 1-2 players in each sport go professional every decade or so. If he goes to the ACC, he will play against an NBA player (or more), just about EVERY league game. He will also most likely play with an NBA player.

Lastly, how can you understand him jumping ship? It would be like applying for a job at Starbucks and being turned down, then going to work at a little coffee shop that no one has ever heard of and quickly becoming the manager there and running the show. Then all of the sudden Starbucks come knocking at your door offering you the job you originally applied for.

TERRIBLE analogy. It would be like leaving Liberty Law school for Harvard Law. BIG difference, and it makes sense to me!

So basically, it is insulting to Seth to go to one of the schools that had nothing to do with him just a little over a year ago.

Insulting to whom? I love Liberty, but c'mon, we are in the bottom third of Division I schools. The problem is the Big South. IMO, there will NEVER be an "at large" bid out of the Big South. That, to me, says volumes about the conference. Maybe one day I'll be proved wrong, but today's reality says that I'm right.

But Seth can just go ahead and get involved in the corporate infrastructure of "Starbucks" where he will never become the manager like he was here at Liberty.

But which one looks better on a resume? Being an average employee at Starbucks for 3 years or being the manager at a different coffeeshop for 4?

I say he had a better shot at going pro in the situation he had here. He was going to get his 20 a game here. At an ACC school he is not going to get that. He will be the 3rd or 4th option on his team and will be lucky to average 10 a game. And he's not going to make the NBA as a shooting guard averaging 10 points a game...

I've got a feeling that he feels differently. Lot's of critics like to say what others can't do, I think he would LOVE nothing better than to prove you wrong.

[flameshaw]

Unfortuantely, for the Southern, a weak Chattanooga team gets to the dance, by winning the tourney on their home floor. So, right now, the Currys are trying to get the conference tourney permanently moved to Charlotte next year, and if that gets done, then Steph will likely play his senior year at Davidson.

Was the Big South going to do anything to accomodate a talent like Seth. Apparently not. Can we think of an instance where a player had performances like Seth did against UVA, Mason, and Clemson, got triple teamed in his conference, and made only second team in that conference. Heck, there were a couple of games when we were struggling with Jesse out of the lineup, and we were down big late, and teams were still keying on Seth, trying to shut him down. What's that all about. Given all the negative signals generating from the Big South, coupled with the red carpet offered him by some ACC, I think that his decision was basically a no-brainer. Goodbye Big South, hello ACC. The ACC actually wants him this time, and the Big South could care less. So, in little over a year the tables have turned.

Your general line of thinking seems to be that conferences should do everything they can to accomodate not just individual schools, but individual players as well. I disagree with that.

1) I'm sure that the rest of the SoCon (there are other schools besides Davidson, ya know?) would have loved it if they moved the tourney to Charlotte just to maximize the chance that Davidson gets to the tourney during the Steph Curry era. Davidson lost to College of Charleston in the tourney semis.. for the second time this season. Do you think they would have had a better chance of beating them in Charleston, where the SoCon tourney is usually held? Davidson just wasn't that good this year.

2) The "Big South" doesn't pick all-conference teams. It's voted on by coaches, SIDs, media. We have ten teams in the league. Some good players are going to be left off the first team. He was Freshmen of the Year and Second Team All-Conference. Don't know if they revealed vote totals or not, but I would not be surprised if he finished 6th in voting and Anthony Smith finished 5th. And if he's leaving b/c he only made Second Team as a freshman... then I personally could care less about the conference losing him. College basketball is about more than individual honors.

3) Opposing teams should back off and let Seth score his points because Jesse is out? So we can keep him in the Big South? I can really see Eddie Biedenbach in the huddle with five minutes left, "Alright guys.. We are winning by 15 so let's let Seth Curry score a few points here. We don't want him to transfer from the Big South!!"


So what do you think the Big South should have done?

1) Big South Tourney in Lynchburg for the next three seasons
2) Installed a no triple teaming rule
3) Create a conference veto where they can automatically overrule the vote of the people in regards to All-Conference teams

Pair-a-sox isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. His "expertise" is intermural beach volleyball.

[adam42381]

First of all you misspelled his last name.

Sorry, (although I'm unsure why it matters)

Secondly, you can talk all the crap you want about the Big South and how it is holding Liberty back. But saying Liberty "isn't a place were pro athletes come to play. We see one or two in each sport every decade or so, but if you have talent and serious aspirations of becoming pro, Liberty isn't a good choice" is just bad taste man. If you call yourself a true Liberty fan you would never say that.

C'mon, let's be realistic. Unfortunately I have a bitter taste in my mouth toward Liberty "homers". My first year at Liberty, we went to the NCAA tourney and played North Carolina. We kept up with the #1 seed well into the second half, we played a GREAT game. I remember returning from spring break and hearing the guys next door to me talking about how Liberty would be a LEGIT final four team in 4-5 years. Basing it all off the NC game. I joked back thinking they were kidding, they were not. Being a true fan doesn't mean sticking your head in the sand and acting like what I said is not true.

Yes, it may be true that most of our athletes do not go pro. But its that way at most colleges. In a very rare case an entire starting five goes pro (example: UNC's five from '04 I believe). But in most cases only one, maybe two players from a very good team will make it in the NBA.

Of course it is like that in most colleges, there are 300+ (I think) D-I schools. The Big South plays in a conference that might see 1-2 players in each sport go professional every decade or so. If he goes to the ACC, he will play against an NBA player (or more), just about EVERY league game. He will also most likely play with an NBA player.

Lastly, how can you understand him jumping ship? It would be like applying for a job at Starbucks and being turned down, then going to work at a little coffee shop that no one has ever heard of and quickly becoming the manager there and running the show. Then all of the sudden Starbucks come knocking at your door offering you the job you originally applied for.

TERRIBLE analogy. It would be like leaving Liberty Law school for Harvard Law. BIG difference, and it makes sense to me!

So basically, it is insulting to Seth to go to one of the schools that had nothing to do with him just a little over a year ago.

Insulting to whom? I love Liberty, but c'mon, we are in the bottom third of Division I schools. The problem is the Big South. IMO, there will NEVER be an "at large" bid out of the Big South. That, to me, says volumes about the conference. Maybe one day I'll be proved wrong, but today's reality says that I'm right.

But Seth can just go ahead and get involved in the corporate infrastructure of "Starbucks" where he will never become the manager like he was here at Liberty.

But which one looks better on a resume? Being an average employee at Starbucks for 3 years or being the manager at a different coffeeshop for 4?

I say he had a better shot at going pro in the situation he had here. He was going to get his 20 a game here. At an ACC school he is not going to get that. He will be the 3rd or 4th option on his team and will be lucky to average 10 a game. And he's not going to make the NBA as a shooting guard averaging 10 points a game...

I've got a feeling that he feels differently. Lot's of critics like to say what others can't do, I think he would LOVE nothing better than to prove you wrong.

I pretty much agree with Belcherboy 100% on this issue. The kid got an opportunity to better himself and took it. I have absolutely no problem with that. I'm sure getting to play for a team with a packed house and national exposure is better for him in the long run. Despite putting up smaller numbers, if he gets decent playing time and puts up solid numbers it will look a lot better than putting up big numbers playing in a half empty gym for a team with no national exposure.

[LUconn]

Amazing how so many associated with a school rooted in Christian values can jump on Seth Curry's back so viciously. I've seen a few (very few) posts asking that posters not abuse the kid, but to little avail. A little reminder - this is NOT ABOUT YOU. Its about a kid (another reminder, you're blasting a 19 year old?) who wants to push himself on the most competitive stage possible. He helped the flames to a great year - one that likely wouldn't have been as successful without him.

You all talk about loyalty - how he USED you. We (well, you - since i won't wade into your "Christian values"-based mosh pit again) could spend days debating who gets "used" in college athletics, the institution or the player. I wish Seth the best - he's a talented young man who is doing what we wish more kids had the guts to do - push himself to the limits of his ability.

Peace, haters.

Wow, you signed up to say something that like 10 other people already have and then ran away like a little girl. Thanks for that.

[paradox]

If he comes right out and he's all-ACC in his first year, then the small south will have an extra heaping of egg on its face.

I don't know why some seem so convinced that he's only worth 10 per game in the ACC, after he averaged over 25 against the two ACC teams that he played this year. Plus, he'll be bigger and stronger, and won't be getting triple teamed.

[Realist]

It seems you guys swing to two extremes on this and the reality is in the middle. Also, of all the asinine things pair a sox has posted, the latest ones are the worst I've ever seen.

I don't think you can be ticked he's transferring. But you can be ticked about the way he did it. Players have transferred to "higher profile" conferences before in this league and it will happen again. Teams essentially cut players every year by not renewing scholarships. How is that any different than a player deciding not to come back?

However, his statement was classless and bush league, especially considering what he didn't accomplish in the league.

I also chuckle when I read about all these double and triple teams he supposedly faced. He never saw even double teams when I saw LU games. Heck, in the two WU games, the DPOY was assigned to Anthony Smith, not Curry, he didn't even draw the best defender. I did see teams extending their defenses farther out beyond the three point line and teams overplaying ball screens he came off of, but I've seen that with scores of players in the league over the years. Jack Leasure, Torrell Martin, Mike Jenkins, Larry Blair, etc all saw the same type of defense, among many others. They also for the most part shot a higher percentage than Curry. Curry didn't have two guys doubling him every time he touched the ball, sorry. Curry was an above average player but far from anything special in terms of what the league has seen. Maybe he would have become special, but he also may have remained what he was this year: a poor man's Jack Leasure.

[paradox]

You can prentend all you want that he wasn't that good, and that this situation is somehow comparible to something else. But the reality is that he is transferring up big-time. I guess all of the ACC schools that are seeking his services are a notch below the evaluation expertise of message board heavyweights, such as realist and flameshaw. LOL, guys.

[Chris Lang]

http://www.mynewsadvance.com/index.php/ ... s_at_duke/

[ToTheLeft]

I really enjoyed your other article too, Chris... seems to be the "My Views on All The Crap On FlameFans" blog enrty...

http://www.mynewsadvance.com/index.php/ ... aftermath/

[Chris Lang]

Certainly what folks say here figured into that. You guys are a passionate bunch with good views on the program. But I had been hearing a lot of other questions and got a few e-mails, too, so it seemed like a good time to hash it all out.

[ToTheLeft]

Certainly what folks say here figured into that. You guys are a passionate bunch with good views on the program. But I had been hearing a lot of other questions and got a few e-mails, too, so it seemed like a good time to hash it all out.

Regardless, it's usually good to get your perspective on things.

[SethUsedWeLose]

Well...he will be on tv plenty I guess. Congrats Seth. You got what you wanted.

[LUconn]

The End.

[LUallTHEway]

I can't believe how many people are acting towards Seth. He led us to 23 wins this season, the most we've had in a long time. This is a 19 year old kid for crying out loud! Think about it....put yourself in his shoes. Duke or Liberty? Duke. All the way. No questions asked. He is doing what his brother should've done 2 years ago. I don't blame him at all. You all should be congratulating him! He is not a traitior. He is doing what any of you would do in his position.

[Ed Dantes]

He'll fit in well with the rest of the whiners and crybabies that make up a Blue Devils' roster on any given year.

[whmatthews]

I just shouted an obscenity when I read that and my wife got really mad at me.