[Baldspot]

I think so too.

It's the same as it's always been. We're a Christian school and founded by Falwell and they hold it against us. It was blatant 10+ years ago with the Southern Conference, just like it was/is with some schools in this area not wanting to schedule us and now with the playoffs. At least in basketball most of the state schools have played us and still do. But with football, it was only recently that W&M scheduled us and we still haven't played Richmond yet.

Anyone who says that the type of school we are doesn't play a part in this hasn't been paying attention the last 20 years.

I completely disagree. The vintage 80's fundie siege mentality is as misplaced as it is narcissistic...

If any you think this is just more evidence of something that's been "going on for the last 20 years", I would say that your head is currently lodged in the same orifice it was lodged in 20 years ago.

With all due respect, though none is deserved by your choice of words, have no idea what your talking about regarding the 1980's. James Madison took a lot of heat and they deserve a lot of credit, along with Towson, for putting LU on their schedule by schools primarily led by the likes of the U of Richmond whose AD openly flaunted the religious card.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Don't bring up facts. They don't want to be bothered with the past and how much people hate LU. I don't think it has nearly as much to do with it now, but you would have to be a complete clod to not consider it as part of the bean heads decision!

By the way, you are now about to be called names!

[luflame15]

Dude SuperJon, get a flippin life , I made a joke and u freakin make out to be more. no offense but i dont sit behind a freakin computer and make post all day, I have a life as student.

[Fumblerooskies]

With all due respect to baldspot...I was at JMU when the series started...and may have been on the sideline for the first game...when we played at City Stadium against Liberty Baptist in 1981. I do not recall JMU getting ANY heat at the time. We were getting enough heat from being a successful D3 program trying to make the jump to I-AA.

[RagingTireFire]

Don't bring up facts. They don't want to be bothered with the past and how much people hate LU. I don't think it has nearly as much to do with it now, but you would have to be a complete clod to not consider it as part of the bean heads decision!

By the way, you are now about to be called names!

Don't confuse your personal paranoia for reality. Believe me, these people have a lot more to do than hate on LU. They simply don't have enough time in the day to care. Yes, Richmond snubbed us in the past but that had far more to do with academic standards than anything else. For years, Richmond tried to cultivate an image that was more in line with the Ivies and Patriot League and they snubbed a lot of people, not just Liberty. If you need proof, go and ask all the MEAC and OVC schools that Richmond has scheduled over the years. Oh, wait! --- there aren't any. They didn't fit UR's "scheduling profile" either.

I make no apologies for my remark concerning craniums lodged in cracks. The whole "they're out to get us b/c of what we stand for" martyr mentality is, aside from being just plain wrong, destructive to our university and what it is trying to build.

[ToTheLeft]

RTF, in 2012 you need to tell me your name so I can write you in as President.

[Rooster Cogburn]

The difference is that I totally respect SJ, RTF, and TTL's opinion. I am a little tired of people being called names for having dissenting opinions on this board. You may fully call people's ideas and opinions wrong, but the personal attacks and name calling are getting old! But that is an opinion which you will surely dissagree with too, so please commence name calling.

Maybe it is a generational thing. It seems to be all young dudes messing with old dudes!

[RagingTireFire]

I am a little tired of people being called names for having dissenting opinions on this board. You may fully call people's ideas and opinions wrong, but the personal attacks and name calling are getting old! But that is an opinion which you will surely dissagree with too, so please commence name calling.

That sounds like the opinion of a poopyhead.

[Baldspot]

With all due respect to baldspot...I was at JMU when the series started...and may have been on the sideline for the first game...when we played at City Stadium against Liberty Baptist in 1981. I do not recall JMU getting ANY heat at the time. We were getting enough heat from being a successful D3 program trying to make the jump to I-AA.

You have to go later in the 80's - when the series ended and LU started winning games. JMU's coach was very specific about the religious element and asked the people in Lynchburg to remember JMU as the one that put LU on their schedule originally in the face of pressure from other area schools.
(I could not tell you what I had for lunch yesterday but I remember the interview on WSET).

Raging Tire is right about Richmond's academic elitism wanna bee attitude, but this played out in no tolerance for religious zealots like LU. I couldn't tell you if it exists today because I'm no longer close to the scene.

[The Dude]

I make no apologies for my remark concerning craniums lodged in cracks. The whole "they're out to get us b/c of what we stand for" martyr mentality is, aside from being just plain wrong, destructive to our university and what it is trying to build.

From a UVA board after LU beat them in basketball:

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/b ... 040773.php

Liberty=Barely a school...common, they have a dinosaur bone which they claim is only 6000 years old...I guess their BBall
program must be better than their science dept


Yeah, I guess you're right RTF, no one out there looks down on LU or holds our beliefs against us.

[RagingTireFire]

To believe that bitter message board chatter in any way reflects the choices and attitudes of school staff and administrators is to personify the definition of "naive".

[Sly Fox]

To believe personal resentment of a particular individual (or school he founded) plays no role in subjective matters is also naive.

I am not saying we were left out only because of who we are. But to pretend the animosity towards us does not exist or play any role is not in line with my experience.

[FlameNForest]

To believe that bitter message board chatter in any way reflects the choices and attitudes of school staff and administrators is to personify the definition of "naive".

To believe there hasn't been bias against Liberty requires considerable naivete likewise.

[Rooster Cogburn]

When someone says we were noteven on the board when we had the season we had, that is the definition of bias.

Look I have no idea if it is that they are against our religious nature, our academics, our being fairly new, or just not being a part of the FCS in crowd; but it seems clear that some kind of anti-LU sentiment was evident.

[SuperJon]

When someone says we were noteven on the board when we had the season we had, that is the definition of bias.

Look I have no idea if it is that they are against our religious nature, our academics, our being fairly new, or just not being a part of the FCS in crowd; but it seems clear that some kind of anti-LU sentiment was evident.

It took you a while, but you finally got to a sensible bias.

[Rooster Cogburn]

When someone says we were noteven on the board when we had the season we had, that is the definition of bias.

Look I have no idea if it is that they are against our religious nature, our academics, our being fairly new, or just not being a part of the FCS in crowd; but it seems clear that some kind of anti-LU sentiment was evident.

It took you a while, but you finally got to a sensible bias.

so basically I have been right all along. an opinion is no good until certain folks here bless it. sad. if you read back all I have been doing is defending others opinions

[ToTheLeft]

When someone says we were noteven on the board when we had the season we had, that is the definition of bias.

Look I have no idea if it is that they are against our religious nature, our academics, our being fairly new, or just not being a part of the FCS in crowd; but it seems clear that some kind of anti-LU sentiment was evident.

It took you a while, but you finally got to a sensible bias.

so basically I have been right all along. an opinion is no good until certain folks here bless it. sad. if you read back all I have been doing is defending others opinions

Yeah that's the problem. You agree with everyone, including the people who are dead wrong. It makes you look bad. This point of a message board isn't to just say "good job, have a cookie". It's to discuss and debate.

[Rooster Cogburn]

It took you a while, but you finally got to a sensible bias.

so basically I have been right all along. an opinion is no good until certain folks here bless it. sad. if you read back all I have been doing is defending others opinions

Yeah that's the problem. You agree with everyone, including the people who are dead wrong. It makes you look bad. This point of a message board isn't to just say "good job, have a cookie". It's to discuss and debate.

Wrong. I rarely agree with you.
By the why TTL you and I are somewhat alike except you agree with everyone but me.
Look. I really like all of you guys. I just don't get the insults and name calling. But since you have to be mean to be accepted, you are all a bunch of Presby fans. There if that isn't an insult I don't know what is.

[Rooster Cogburn]

By the way thanks. Im going to have my wife and all my family and friends read what you wrote. I am generally known as the most opinionated man in the world. Thanks for proving them wrong

[ToTheLeft]

You cry so much about "name-calling" but I probably get made fun of on here and in my life more than any of you, and ya know what...

I CAN HANDLE IT.

Saying someone is stupid for making a stupid comment is calling a spade a spade. If you can't handle that, I'm sure there are places you can go who will give you a gold star for being wrong but trying.

It's not like I think "Hey, Rooster posted in this thread, I wanna insult him."

It's more like "Wow, did Rooster use his brain at all on that one? I can't believe he just said that."

If that's an insult, I'm sorry. I don't have anything personally against you, since I don't even know who you are. But if you're going to say stupid stuff and cry about it when people disagree with you, then I am not going to just pat you on the back and tell you that you're right and to keep your chin up.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Fair enough.

So I will expect and prepare for you to call me out. I am now cool with that.

I do state many opinions on here and will continue to.

Again I was defending 3 others who were called out by someone not called TTL for posting on a different site.s

I still say most of you haven't been around long enough to know the history involved in this topic.

[ToTheLeft]

Yeah... or we lost to Presby and Laffayette and barely beat terrible YSU and Western and played 2 DII schools, regardless of how out of our control that was, and people view our conference as a total joke.

The more I remove myself from the situation, the less likely I am to vote for us as deserving of getting in.

I seriously doubt you have done enough research into FCS and the teams we were going against to really say we were clearly the best option.

We were outside the top 20 in the modified GPI. We had a weak schedule, bad losses, and no respect as a result. A win over Presby, and we were probably in. A win over Laffy, and we probably were in. But we lost to a middle of the pack PL team and a terrible transitional team. Sometimes, it's just more about who you lose to than who you beat, and beating an overrated Elon team really didn't hide the fact that we had bad losses. Maine and William and Mary only lost to playoff teams.

[Rooster Cogburn]

So let me get this straight. if Elon had beaten us they would have been in and now they are overrated?

I choose to believe we beat an extremely good 14th ranked socon team tat would have made the field with a win against us not revised after the fact blabbering by the fcs in crowd.

[SuperJon]

Again I was defending 3 others who were called out by someone not called TTL for posting on a different site.s

I still say most of you haven't been around long enough to know the history involved in this topic.

If you bring up 97 again then you obviously have no reading comprehension skills. We weren't even eligible that year. It had nothing to do with religion stuff.


I'm so glad our administrators and coaches don't have this, "They don't let us in cause we're Christians" attitude. If that were truly the case, we should just cancel the season next year. Pack up the equipment, take away the scholarships, and just be done with it. If that were truly the case, there's no point in playing anymore until we have an auto bid.

[ToTheLeft]

Yeah, I think Elon was overrated, but they are in the same boat as Maine. They are in a good conference, and won all the games they were supposed to win, and lost against the teams better than them. No bad losses and wins over LU, Furman, and GaSo. They would have been in easily.