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By adam42381
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#182022
Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Bill Russell
Shaquille O'Neal
Jerry West
By JK37
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#182029
anyone leaving off Jerry West is an idiot.

AI doesn't belong. I see who's putting him on their list, and I'm not surprised. The similarities are eery :lol:
By TylerBakersGonnaBGreat
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#182032
JK37 wrote:anyone leaving off Jerry West is an idiot.

AI doesn't belong. I see who's putting him on their list, and I'm not surprised. The similarities are eery :lol:

OK OK... I just think that he revolutionized the PG position... all of you can hate me if you want... but cmon JK just stick with the womens game cause thats all you know :D
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By prototype
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#182043
OK ladies. The Authority is in the House:) You know I'm just kidding - OK - I'm kidding, but...

I like to look at things with numbers and so I did a little digging myself and cam up with a scoring system to help me determine the TRUE top 10 NBA Players of all time. And I will say, I think I completely agree with the results. Enjoy...

Prototype's Top 10 (Please see attached Spreadsheet for details, why I think this, and a list of how others compared):

Elgin Baylor
Wilt Chamberlain
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Lebron James
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bob Pettit, Jr.
Magic Johnson





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By TylerBakersGonnaBGreat
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#182044
prototype wrote:OK ladies. The Authority is in the House:) You know I'm just kidding - OK - I'm kidding, but...

I like to look at things with numbers and so I did a little digging myself and cam up with a scoring system to help me determine the TRUE top 10 NBA Players of all time. And I will say, I think I completely agree with the results. Enjoy...

Prototype's Top 10 (Please see attached Spreadsheet for details, why I think this, and a list of how others compared):

Elgin Baylor
Wilt Chamberlain
Michael Jordan
Bill Russell
Labron James
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bob Pettit, Jr.
Magic Johnson





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If youre going to put LEBRON in your top 10 please spell his name right :D
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By jcmanson
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#182045
Nice work, but you need something to factor in games or seasons played because some of those numbers could be skewed if someone only played 5 years.
By TDDance234
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jcmanson wrote:Nice work, but you need something to factor in games or seasons played because some of those numbers could be skewed if someone only played 5 years.
See James, LeBron.
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By prototype
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#182066
OK - most the people on this list have played way more than 5 years. James being the exception. Are you telling me that James won't be in the Top 10 List when all is said and done anyway? The guy was Top 10 NBA in 10th grade when I was watching him on ESPN Prime Time.

The only one that I think that should break in is Kobe, but his stats don't look that great compared to all the other stars - so I don't know.

The other way I was going to do it was breakout the top leaders in each category of stats - Points, Rebounds, Assists, Etc. and then take the next top five 5. i believe if you are the career avg. leader in on category you should be mentioned in any conversation about the best. So then my top 10 would be:

Chamberlain
Jordan
Magic Johnson
West
Olajuwon
Russell
Baylor
James
Bird
Abdul-Jabbar
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By jcmanson
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I’m just saying averages don’t take into account quantity. If someone plays 20 years and averages 30 ppg that is more impressive than if someone plays 10 and averages 30 or even 32 or 33 IMHO.
By truedrewdawg87
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Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West

Say what you will about Kobe but I don't see how he's not already one of the 10 greatest players of all time. Some people may not like him as a person or his attitude but we're not talking about who they are as people this is who they are on the court. At least that's what I thought we were ranking anyway. Kobe willed the Lakers to the finals this season before they just met up with a better team. Not to mention, Kobe is one of the best clutch performers of the last decade. Love him or hate him, this guy deserves to be in the top 10.
By thepostman
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truedrewdawg87 wrote:Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West

Say what you will about Kobe but I don't see how he's not already one of the 10 greatest players of all time. Some people may not like him as a person or his attitude but we're not talking about who they are as people this is who they are on the court. At least that's what I thought we were ranking anyway. Kobe willed the Lakers to the finals this season before they just met up with a better team. Not to mention, Kobe is one of the best clutch performers of the last decade. Love him or hate him, this guy deserves to be in the top 10.
Kobe is soft...and shys from contact...doesn't show up when it really matters....not what great players do...
By scuzdriver
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#182204
David Thompson oughta get some mention.
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By prototype
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#182211
Scuz - are you serious?

Thompson's stats:
Season Points/G Rebounds/G Assists/G Steals/G Blocks/G FG %
1975-76 26.0 6.3 3.7 1.6 1.2 .515
1976-77 25.9 4.1 4.1 1.4 0.6 .507
1977-78 27.2 4.9 4.5 1.2 1.2 .521
1978-79 24.0 3.6 3.0 0.9 1.1 .512
1979-80 21.5 4.5 3.2 1.0 1.0 .468
1980-81 25.5 3.7 3.0 0.7 0.8 .506
1981-82 14.9 2.4 1.9 0.6 0.5 .486
1982-83 15.9 3.6 3.0 0.6 0.4 .481
1983-84 12.6 2.3 0.7 0.5 0.7 .539

He average 22.1 points a game in his NBA career and that is what he was known for, the other being dunking. Should Vince Carter be in there too? :o
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By flamesbball84
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thepostman wrote:
truedrewdawg87 wrote:Michael Jordan
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Bill Russell
Kobe Bryant
Jerry West

Say what you will about Kobe but I don't see how he's not already one of the 10 greatest players of all time. Some people may not like him as a person or his attitude but we're not talking about who they are as people this is who they are on the court. At least that's what I thought we were ranking anyway. Kobe willed the Lakers to the finals this season before they just met up with a better team. Not to mention, Kobe is one of the best clutch performers of the last decade. Love him or hate him, this guy deserves to be in the top 10.
Kobe is soft...and shys from contact...doesn't show up when it really matters....not what great players do...
:nod He didn't look clutch at all in the Finals, which is when being clutch matters most!
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By adam42381
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scuzdriver wrote:David Thompson oughta get some mention.
If we were doing the top 10 college players of all time, he'd be up there as would Pete Maravich. NBA, not so much.
By scuzdriver
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Ok my bad on Thompson. Oops. I will say even though J West was a stud, he couldn't hold AI's jock! He not only scores, he passes, he plays defense, and he'd have his homies rub out JW if he started showing him up! How can you leave a guy out with that many tats? Where's the love for the thugs?
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By flamesbball84
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Jerry West - 27 ppg, 6.7 apg, 5.8 rpg, .814% ft, .474% fg, finals mvp, 10-time first-team all-nba, 2-time second team all-nba, 5-time nba all-defensive team member (four first, one second), 14-time all-star, finished in top-5 of mvp voting 8 times, 22.9 career PER

Allen Iverson - 27.7 ppg, 6.3 apg, 3.8 rpg, .780% ft, .426% fg, nba mvp, 3-time first-team all-nba, 3-time second-team all-nba, 1-time third-team all-nba, never has been on the all-defensive team, 9-time all-star, finished in top-5 of mvp voting 3 times, 21.4 career PER

Give me Jerry West every day of the week - he scores just as well (and would have been a better three point shooter had there had been a three point line), shoots better from the field and free throw stripe, rebounds better, and was a clearly more dominant player in an age where there were less teams and thus less teams with watered down talent. Plus, JWs attitude is light years better than AIs.
By scuzdriver
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#182313
I agree the talent is watered down now days, but do you really think overall talent was better back in the day? I have my doubts.
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By flamesbball84
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scuzdriver wrote:I agree the talent is watered down now days, but do you really think overall talent was better back in the day? I have my doubts.
Pure talent, maybe, maybe not, I wasn't alive back in the JW days, but I will say the talent back then would wax what we have nowadays since they were a heck of a lot more fundamental than this And1 type garbage that is still prevalent in the NBA.
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By Cider Jim
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Jerry West..."the streak from Cabin Creek" (WV). Too bad he didn't go to Marshall. Play Basketball
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By Sly Fox
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#182328
He's also the Kevin McHale of the West. Throwing one-sided trades at former organizations to turn them into title contenders.
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By flamesbball84
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Sly Fox wrote:He's also the Kevin McHale of the West. Throwing one-sided trades at former organizations to turn them into title contenders.
Kevin McHale is in the West...
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By flameshaw
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Cider Jim wrote:Jerry West..."the streak from Cabin Creek" (WV). Too bad he didn't go to Marshall. Play Basketball
Chick Hearn (greatest announcer of all time IMO), used to call him "Zeke from Cabin Creek" as well, don't know what/why Zeke is significant. Great player and better human being.
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By Sly Fox
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Half the guys in that area are named Zeke, he CJ? I know we had a bunch of Zekes around us on the other side of the river whose families all came from the Mountain Mama.
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By Cider Jim
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Sly Fox wrote:Half the guys in that area are named Zeke, he CJ?
And if you do the math, about a quarter of them are related to each other. :nono
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