Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.

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By Stevev
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#17803
I am a little confused about the cost of the structure. It is 60,000 square feet and the cost of it according to the article in the LU website is $4.5 million. William and Mary is building a 30,000 square foot facility and it is supposed to cost $11 million. Something doesn't seem right here. Are we scimping on materials, labor, or what. Or is W & M getting screwed.

The cost of the field turf makes sense at $600K but the field house doesn't make sense.
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By PAmedic
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#17807
Yeah- CCU's fieldhouse is around 43K sq ft and costs 8.5 million. Go figure. I really didn't wanna ask, but since you did...

what the?
By LU'sbestmanger
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#17813
anyone know about how the field is coming
By Guest
#17820
Stevev wrote:I am a little confused about the cost of the structure. It is 60,000 square feet and the cost of it according to the article in the LU website is $4.5 million. William and Mary is building a 30,000 square foot facility and it is supposed to cost $11 million. Something doesn't seem right here. Are we scimping on materials, labor, or what. Or is W & M getting screwed.

The cost of the field turf makes sense at $600K but the field house doesn't make sense.
must be the same people who built the hancock. AC goes down several times each summer (one whole week a couple of weeks ago when we had a mini-heat wave), sewer system smell sometimes greets one as they walk into the main entrance (really nice when bringing in recruits and their families), unable to "vent" the front windows. . . . yea, same people if you ask me.
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By PeterParker
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#17829
Has anyone noticed that the building is about 2/3's the original design from the pics posted earlier...not complaining just pointing out an observation...are there plans to add those two sides at a later date, or is the building coming as is nothing more, nothing less, no warranty expressed or implied with this offer, coupons not accepted with any offer...etc...
By SuperJon
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#17833
We're building our building at $75/square foot. William & Mary's building will be $366/square foot. Coastal's will be $197/square foot. That just tells you that either a) we got an amazing deal or b) the quality of construction won't be as good as the others or c) they're not reporting how much it really costs or d) it's not as big as they're saying.
By A.G.
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#17834
hmmmm. LU? I bet it is
e) All the above
By Stevev
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#17841
Maybe the $4.5 Million is the amount that Art Williams is kicking in. Maybe the rest of the cost is on LU.
By Stevev
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#17856
I also remember that the steel used for the structure was donated to us. Maybe it wasn't in the cost. That would explain part of the difference.
By Guest
#17884
Good thing we have all of these construction and finance experts who are also familiar with the intricate details of every other football building recently constructed on the east coast. These friends of LU obviously have all of the facts and information necessary to assess the quality of the new LU football building. Without their help, people might have incorrectly thought that the new football building was a tremendous moment in the history of LU sports.
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By Sly Fox
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#17885
I like this guest's sarcastic flare.

:lol:
By A.G.
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#17886
You must, you didn't even add your usual:
"Now go ahead and register."
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By Sly Fox
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#17887
I've gotten to the point where everybody else does it for me these days.
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By PAmedic
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#17893
here ya go:

"quite funny, guest. Why not go ahead and register- we'd love your cynical approach to be a formal part of our board."

:D
By Libertine
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#17914
:roll: Jeez, guys. For guys who know so much, you don't seem to actually know much at all.

First of all, our building is probably cheaper because we're not trying to build a freakin' masterpiece and we have existing space and resources not available at some other places. W&M is very much hampered by very specific archictectural designs that they have to adhere to and very little open space on which to build. If you've been to that stadium, you know it's like frickin' Hogwarts in there but w/ less parking. They have to rip out nearly as much as they have to put in. I can't speak for Coastal but I would be willing to bet they're trying to construct a 'showpiece' building much like JMU did several years ago. The upside is that it's very attractive but the downside is that it costs more. There's also the additional possible downside in that you can screw yourself like JMU did and have it look really nice but have little functional space so you end up having to make it larger and even more expensive to suit your needs. What we are building is little more than a steel and concrete box with a Jeffersonian exterior. We are also blessed to have a great deal of open ground and easy vehicle access to the site. The argument of x$/sq ft. also supposes only construction cost as opposed to completion costs. I know that there's at least an additional $1.8 mil budgeted to furnish the building and that's coming from pockets outside of the Williams family.

Secondly, -- I keep saying it and nobody listens -- disregard any plans or drawings you've ever seen of the facility. Nearly all of those were done anywhere from a year to 5 years before actual construction took place. The final product will not look like the renditions that Bob Good keeps showing the Flames Club. Also, the building will be larger -- not smaller -- than those drawings depict simply because it now has three floors instead of two. The weight room, which took up a lot of space on the ground floor, got bumped to the basement level and actually gave us enough extra space to work with that we could expand some things and actually reduce the size of the building's 'footprint'.

Thirdly, I am absolutely confident in the building's structure and reliabilty. You guys act like no other building anywhere outside of LU has problems. "The AC went out. The toilet was stopped up. Ooh, the windows don't open. Boohoohoo." Face the basic statistical facts, guys. In a building the size of DeMoss, stuff is going to happen. Also, I don't suppose it occurred to anyone that the AC gets periodically shut off in the summer for maintenance and repairs so that it doesn't end up shutting down during the semester when the bulk of the paying customers are here.

Trust me, if the new football facility comes crashing down one dark day in October, you'll know it happened because I will have stopped posting due to my being dead. Until then, y'all need to lighten up and grow up!

PS - For the record (again), in 2003, there was some structural steel donated top the program by a very well-meaning benefactor. That steel was trucked in and dropped off and it ended up stacked on the ground next to the shed beyond the north end zone for some time. As of now, it's gone and I have no idea what happened to it. I know for a fact that it is not being used in the new building. I personally know the head sales guy whose company contracted the steel and, in my conversations w / him as well as the planners on our end, there was never any thought of actually using unknown untested steel that had been lying in the mud for 2 and a half years.
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By bigsmooth
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#17917
thank you libertine!!!!!!!!!!!!! being in the construction biz i wanted to add my 2 cents, but hearing it from you was better. i know everyone is excited about the building thus the questions, but construction whether it is at UVA,VT or any place else for that matter is never perfect. AC's break, You will find cracks in concrete, pipes will leak. bottom line is if the inspectors of the city of lynchburg find something that will break code or is not safe it will have to be fixed before a occupancy permit is given.
By A.G.
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#17921
You can bet the occupancy will be watched VERY closely, especially in light of LU's history of breaking code (think the courts in Erricson being occupied before approval, or the problems with the indoor track, too).
By Libertine
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#17935
A.G. wrote:You can bet the occupancy will be watched VERY closely, especially in light of LU's history of breaking code (think the courts in Erricson being occupied before approval, or the problems with the indoor track, too).
Aahh, the semantic power of the word "occupancy".
By LU'sbestmanger
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#17981
any word on the turf?
By givemethemic
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#17986
Manger, I have a really good feeling that as soon as we see that crapy turf pulled up that somebody will let you know!!! Patience Manger
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By bigsmooth
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#17987
i would not think any turf work would happen till after july 2 b/c of the TRBC celebration. are they not having part of it there??
By LU'sbestmanger
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#18012
givemethemic wrote:Manger, I have a really good feeling that as soon as we see that crapy turf pulled up that somebody will let you know!!! Patience Manger
lol... wow. all you had to say was nothing has happend yet
By givemethemic
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#18014
just busting you Manger, don't take it the wrong way
By SuperJon
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#18029
Just to point out, I wasn't trying to downgrade the building at all. Thought I might wanna point that out. I keep defending it to all of my friends who say that if it's an LU building it won't be done for another year.
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By PAmedic
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#18043
I, for one, appreciate the fact that guys like LIBERTINE or SMOOTHIE who have first hand exp both w/ this project and/or the trade itself can explain the semantics of it to us.

I've always been a big "more bang for your buck" kinda guy (that refers to finances only, BTW) so lower cost per sq ft appeals to me. And I don't think its mandatory to sacrifice quality to maintain fiscal sanity either.
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