[ToTheLeft]

Meh, it's still the same idea. Just because someone is recruited to come to Liberty doesn't mean they couldn't have done the same thing. I think it's a bit ignorant to think that people WE recruit are less likely to make mistakes than people we accept as transfers. Either character is something that our coaches look at, or it isn't. I believe it is something they look at, and these guys just made a mistake.

[troyywr]

Oh about transfers....Liberty will need transfers if it wants to make the jump from good to great...in the FCS ...and an eventual...FBS...if that is a goal which I question the feasibility of jumping to FBS in the next 10 years...can you see Liberty competeing with App State etc with this recruiting class...NAW..and if you think so then compare the recruits to the recruits of the top 5 FCS schools with Appy St...doesnt quit measure up. Transfers can make and/or break you in my estimate..also JUCO transfers help out a ton also...because face it right now Liberty has a snowball chance in hades of getting a kid that has a full ride offer from the top 10 schools....now I can see a kid turning down the smaller Divison 1's etc to sign with LU if playing time maybe and issue...and facilities do help in that decision...I hear from kids that the curfew did impact their decison....BTW someone said something about Tipton..now that was bad for the program that he didnt make it in class...and or he wast "liberty" material..I dont think that guy running around making bombs was lu material either was he..well he lasted 3 years...anyways Tyler football wise is a BEAST wouldve been the TOP LBer on the team..I was at the practices where Coaches had too take him out of the drills and scrimmage because he was basically..hitting kids too hard..but the kid couldnt even make it to class ...what a wasted chance I blame him and Liberty

[ToTheLeft]

edit: meh... whatever...

[RagingTireFire]

Oh about transfers....Liberty will need transfers if it wants to make the jump from good to great...in the FCS ...and an eventual...FBS...if that is a goal which I question the feasibility of jumping to FBS in the next 10 years...can you see Liberty competeing with App State etc with this recruiting class...NAW..and if you think so then compare the recruits to the recruits of the top 5 FCS schools with Appy St...doesnt quit measure up. Transfers can make and/or break you in my estimate..also JUCO transfers help out a ton also...because face it right now Liberty has a snowball chance in hades of getting a kid that has a full ride offer from the top 10 schools....now I can see a kid turning down the smaller Divison 1's etc to sign with LU if playing time maybe and issue...and facilities do help in that decision...I hear from kids that the curfew did impact their decison....BTW someone said something about Tipton..now that was bad for the program that he didnt make it in class...and or he wast "liberty" material..I dont think that guy running around making bombs was lu material either was he..well he lasted 3 years...anyways Tyler football wise is a BEAST wouldve been the TOP LBer on the team..I was at the practices where Coaches had too take him out of the drills and scrimmage because he was basically..hitting kids too hard..but the kid couldnt even make it to class ...what a wasted chance I blame him and Liberty

Troyy, all you ever come on here to do is urinate on the talent level of whatever LU team is the topic of discussion. I'm guessing you're not a season ticket holder. Did you get passed over on walk-on day or something?

[LUconn]

Uhh, can any FCS team compete agains ASU right now? They just won 3 arfing championships in a row and had one of the most publicized FCS victories ever. Luckily there is plenty of talent to go around and App doesn't have enough scholarships to sign every football player available every year. I really didn't understand any of the rest of your post.

[Knucklehead]

I think he must be one of the "interesting" people postion comments on wset.com today!

[bigsmooth]

so a kid cant make it to class and you blame liberty??? troyy who just proved how ignorant you are about this situation. and tipton graduated from LCA, so he knew what he was getting into. spew your venom somewhere else please!!

[703]

Who is this guy bad mouthing LU. The incident was not at all what it seems like, so don't throw Stevie under the bus. And on the football front, APP ST, Delaware, and other schools from this region are the only real contenders for national championships. Schools out west are not that good. Even without the transfers coming in they are pretty close to those other teams levels, just give this coaching staff time.

[FlameNForest]

Is anyone else struck by the fact that both of these guys are state school transfers?

Tim Tebow goes to a State School, what's your point?

That's a pretty ridiculous statement if you are trying to call out State schools and the athletes they recruit. There is bad stuff going on at private Christian schools (Baylor) and good stuff going on at State schools (Tebow, etc.).

I hope you haven't gotten to a point where you are judging people based on where they got recruited to go to school to play ball.

There are many quality student athletes that play for state schools.

I think what Knuckle was referring to is the situation here. Most of the D-I transfers we've received in recent years are from guys who were either in trouble at their former school or local products who weren't getting the playing time they wanted and opted to come closer to home and drop down a level in order to see the field. I doubt the christian atmosphere here was a priority when most of these guys decided to transfer here.

With that said, most of these guys have done what they were expected on and off the field after coming here. And, there have obviously been players who were recruited and signed with us that got in trouble here, so it's not just unique to transfers. But, it's not all that shocking either.

[Knucklehead]

Ding ding ding. FNF is on point. See Lefty it wasn't that hard.
I'm just saying that no matter who you are you have to want to be at LU to stay at LU. I'm simply saying that if OJ Mayo wants to come to LU you don't just take him because of his ability, because you'll end up getting his ability and his character or lack thereof. It can be transfers or recruits, it doesn't matter. They have to want to be at the type of school we are. I understand we have to try and reach folks and give them a chance, and that is good. But it comes at a risk. I'm not saying don't take them. I'm actually glad we did. But don't be surprised when some of the risky ones fall off the wagon. That's all I'll say for now.

[SuperJon]

Ding ding ding. FNF is on point. See Lefty it wasn't that hard.
I'm just saying that no matter who you are you have to want to be at LU to stay at LU. I'm simply saying that if OJ Mayo wants to come to LU you don't just take him because of his ability, because you'll end up getting his ability and his character or lack thereof. It can be transfers or recruits, it doesn't matter. They have to want to be at the type of school we are. I understand we have to try and reach folks and give them a chance, and that is good. But it comes at a risk. I'm not saying don't take them. I'm actually glad we did. But don't be surprised when some of the risky ones fall off the wagon. That's all I'll say for now.

How was Stevie Ray Lloyd a "risky one?" He was a model citizen until this incident and according to some people, may not have been that involved in this. The kid was a captain and someone a lot of people looked up to, but he was "risky?"

[RagingTireFire]

But don't be surprised when some of the risky ones fall off the wagon.

Oh, Knuckle.

Seriously, define what was so 'risky' about these two guys prior to this?

[ToTheLeft]

Ding ding ding. FNF is on point. See Lefty it wasn't that hard.
I'm just saying that no matter who you are you have to want to be at LU to stay at LU. I'm simply saying that if OJ Mayo wants to come to LU you don't just take him because of his ability, because you'll end up getting his ability and his character or lack thereof. It can be transfers or recruits, it doesn't matter. They have to want to be at the type of school we are. I understand we have to try and reach folks and give them a chance, and that is good. But it comes at a risk. I'm not saying don't take them. I'm actually glad we did. But don't be surprised when some of the risky ones fall off the wagon. That's all I'll say for now.

You are being an "LU Elitist"...

"They have to want to be at the type of school we are..."

Dude, THEY ALL WANT TO BE HERE, that's why they come! You are getting WAY too caught up in this "We are LU, and therefore our athletes don't get in trouble". People make mistakes, these guys just so happened to make a mistake, they didn't "fall off the wagon"! They aren't even students anymore!

And, if "it can be transfers or recruits, it doesn't matter", THEN WHAT'S YOUR POINT? You said it struck you that these guys are transfers, and now it doesn't matter. Our coaches take into consideration character, and talent. Not everyone is going to be perfect, but everyone is going to be accepted here because the coaches feel they will be able to fit under the rules here, and the athletes sign off on the NLI because they want to be here.

What if Noah Greenbaum stole 150 bucks from some old lady on the street? He was never a "risky transfer", would you still be calling out our coaches for taking in someone "risky"? Does someone become "risky" for you because they do something wrong? Vince was risky, and finished up here just fine and found himself in the NFL. Our coaches know what they are doing when they bring these guys on board.

[Knucklehead]

OK maybe risky wasn't the right word. I am good at saying the wrong word. What I mean is when we aren't a guy's first choice that can sometimes mean that the style and rules of LU aren't for them. I was not passing specific judgement on wither of these guys as I do not know them. The statement was a generality. Read it before you react. I mentioned NO names.

Incidently othere just before me said similar things w/o using the word risky!

[Knucklehead]

WOW Lefty, funny how you've switched teams. You were on the same boat in other non athletic threads a while back.
Also, I have called no coaches out. I love these coaches and the decisions. I would have taken the same guys and the same chances. i simply said it was interesting, and don't be shocked. I give up. Another thread abandoned. I may run out of threads to abandon soon.

Later.

Ding ding ding. FNF is on point. See Lefty it wasn't that hard.
I'm just saying that no matter who you are you have to want to be at LU to stay at LU. I'm simply saying that if OJ Mayo wants to come to LU you don't just take him because of his ability, because you'll end up getting his ability and his character or lack thereof. It can be transfers or recruits, it doesn't matter. They have to want to be at the type of school we are. I understand we have to try and reach folks and give them a chance, and that is good. But it comes at a risk. I'm not saying don't take them. I'm actually glad we did. But don't be surprised when some of the risky ones fall off the wagon. That's all I'll say for now.

You are being an "LU Elitist"...

"They have to want to be at the type of school we are..."

Dude, THEY ALL WANT TO BE HERE, that's why they come! You are getting WAY too caught up in this "We are LU, and therefore our athletes don't get in trouble". People make mistakes, these guys just so happened to make a mistake, they didn't "fall off the wagon"! They aren't even students anymore!

And, if "it can be transfers or recruits, it doesn't matter", THEN WHAT'S YOUR POINT? You said it struck you that these guys are transfers, and now it doesn't matter. Our coaches take into consideration character, and talent. Not everyone is going to be perfect, but everyone is going to be accepted here because the coaches feel they will be able to fit under the rules here, and the athletes sign off on the NLI because they want to be here.

What if Noah Greenbaum stole 150 bucks from some old lady on the street? He was never a "risky transfer", would you still be calling out our coaches for taking in someone "risky"? Does someone become "risky" for you because they do something wrong? Vince was risky, and finished up here just fine and found himself in the NFL. Our coaches know what they are doing when they bring these guys on board.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, I don't know what else the point is of pointing out the fact that they are transfers, other than to say our coaches take in bad players via transfer.

I am not sure what else the point was, man. I don't think what SRL and the other guy did was right, if they attacked someone. I don't see how I am contradicting my past opinions at all? I think you have gone way overboard here bro. I am not abandoning my thoughts that we need to remain a distinctly Christian school... I just think that people are still human, and that we can't fault anyone but the people who commit the crimes, and it felt like you were faulting the school or the athletic department, who did nothing wrong here.

[Hold My Own]

Bottom line is the statistics show that transfers have more likely hood to have problems while at Liberty (not like this, with things like drinking)...it's for a ton of reasons, and mainly b/c they are simply participating (not in a incident like this) in things that are normal, so it's hard to just stop. I understand both sides 1. why they still do things like drink (its b/c for the last 2 years or so they've been surrounded by it and it's normal to be associated with it) 2. why LU expects better of them now. I think knuckle coming from

[703]

anyways, from what Stevie has said he had nothing to do with the alleged assault or whatever it is being called. the people pressing charges, or trying to press charges only involved Stevie because they knew who he was. Stevie and his family are embarrassed enough to be involved in this. Some folks here are painting the athletes with a broad brush and jumping to conclusions....good grief some of you are almost as bad as the folks on the sabre. Just because they were transfers does not mean that they are "statistically" more likely to get into trouble (i would like to see this so called empirical data).

[Hold My Own]

Men lie, women lie...numbers dont (Jay-z)

[TruthSlayer11]

What's he supposed to say??? Yeah man, I stomped his butt. LOL Come on. Bottom line is even if he was not involved as much as Tyler he was still there with the group of 6 and he could have been the one to stop it.


I read this over at WSET which was a good point. Why did they run if they were innocent? If I saw someone on the ground shaking from the aftermath of what my group just did I may want to stick around and give the Police my side of the story. They did run, for a reason.

[703]

I'm just saying what evidence besides this one event, do you have that says transfers are trouble makers.

[SuperJon]

Men lie, women lie...numbers dont...check them

Care to provide us with them, or are you just making them up? Do you have Liberty records and have you done the math to say transfers are more of a problem than regular students?

[Hold My Own]

nope...i make up everything I ever say on here...your just now figuring that out??? What took you so long?

[SuperJon]

You can't tell us to check the numbers and then not provide them. How are we supposed to check them?

[Hold My Own]

we just went over this in PM man so why you chose to mention this in here I dont know...you know I dont cite sources or drop names if I need to do that to earn your trust as to where I hear things or if I know what I'm talking about then fine...skip over my posts man...if I havent earned enough trust on here yet that I may have a slight clue then I never will...and that's ok!!!!!!!! Really!