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By Sly Fox
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With Sloan ousted (and now at HBU), the new regime at Baylor is clearing house of those who held Christian distinctives ...
Spike in Baylor tenure denials protested

Posted on Mar 25, 2008 | by Mark Kelly


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--An unusually high number of faculty members at Baylor University have been denied tenure this semester, and one former Baylor professor believes the denials reflect the school's decision to turn away from its Baylor 2012 campaign to establish Baylor as both a Christian university and a top-tier research institution.

Forty percent of the 30 faculty up for tenure this year were denied, contrasted with 14 percent in 2007 and 11 percent in 2006, according to William Dembski, a former Baylor professor who now is research professor in philosophy at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas.
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By matshark
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Hmm, I'm quite sure LU would be interested in great researchers bring lots of grant money to the university.
By TDDance234
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I agree that most of the Baylor professors would be welcome with open arms here at LU.
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By matshark
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Lets get JJ on the phone with them Quick Fast...

"Sic 'Em!... err... Light em up FLAMES!!!!"
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By Sly Fox
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I doubt we have economic means to snare many of them.
By 4everfsu
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But if they can bring millions of dollars in, would we not be able to afford them?
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By Fumblerooskies
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At schools like Baylor, the profs bring in $$ from RESEARCH GRANTS. LU is not a research institution...we are a teaching institution.
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By Sly Fox
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At least for the time being. Baylor was paying a premium to their faculty long before they began their transition to a research institution.
By Ed Dantes
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Y'all are way off base. why would professors leave Baylor for not getting tenured and then come to LU, who doesn't even offer tenure?
By 4everfsu
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So if we get a med school do you think we will still not offer tenure?
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By Sly Fox
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At Baylor, if you are denied tenured you lose your job within 12 months. They will be looking for work while wearing a Scarlet Letter of being Christian in the academic world.
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...unless LU decides to integrate some of its philosophies, principles and amibitious goals.


I would imagine that the LU decision-makers are all over this development, but, if not, my .02 is that LU would be well-served to pore over that plan and integrate many of the goals laid out in it.


Could also be a boon to LU as it seeks to continue to establish its academic credibility and strengthen its brand in higher education. LU would also be well-served to actually try to get some of those faculty who bought into the Baylor 2012 program to come to LU to work alongside many of LU's distinguished faculty, potentially creating a win-win for both parties.


The Baylor 2012 Vision was discussed here a couple years ago. Now LU can co-opt elements of Baylor's clearly-and-objectively-defined-yet-now-possibly-abandoned-plan since LU has spoken in lofty terms about its own general direction in the past but nothing approaching a strategy put to paper and packaged as a marketing campaign to students, alumni and recruits.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... /5.62.html Circa 2002
Baylor, which already bills itself as the largest Baptist university in the world, has even bigger ambitions. In the words of the school's president, Baylor aspires to be "the finest Christian institution of higher learning on this planet." This is Texas, after all, so nothing is quite so important as scale. And Baylor has a plan—specifically, a 42-page document that articulates a vision and outlines a strategy to achieve it by 2012. "Within the course of a decade, Baylor intends to enter the top tier of American universities while reaffirming and deepening its distinctive Christian mission," reads the plan, called Baylor 2012. It rejects the notion that "intellectual excellence" and "intense faithfulness to the Christian tradition" are mutually exclusive, although it notes that not many universities have been able to do both effectively.
Some at Baylor want the university to become a "Protestant Notre Dame." The connection is not coincidental. Although there are no official ties between Waco and South Bend, faculty at the two schools (particularly the philosophy departments) have met for a number of structured conversations. Michael Beaty, a philosopher and director of the Baylor Institute of Faith and Learning, did his doctorate at Notre Dame. Both Baylor's president and his chief faculty recruiter acknowledge their intellectual indebtedness to Notre Dame's George Marsden—who warned about the secularization of U.S. higher education—and to the Notre Dame model.

"There are a lot of Protestants who want to see a university take its religious identity seriously," Beaty says.
Baylor has embarked on what one faculty member calls a "huge building spree" of athletic facilities, and the university plans to construct a new residence hall every two years until 2012.




[exit stage right]
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By jcmanson
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I've missed your posts PP.
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By RagingTireFire
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jcmanson wrote:I've missed your posts PP.
Hey, books take time to write.
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By Cider Jim
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Welcome back, Peter.
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By Sly Fox
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Baylor 2012 is now being used as a hammer by the moderates who took control of BU against the Conservatives.

Sloan is now the head man at Houston Baptist University where they are instituting a similar type of plan on a smaller scale.
By Ed Dantes
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But why would they come to Liberty, who offers no such tenure?
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By Sly Fox
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It would be for idealogical purposes. There are some who view our lack of tenuring as a bonus because it helps keep the school in line. Its one of the more attractive aspects of LU to some profs. I know its a big reason why my uncle will be on the faculty this fall.
By Rocketfan
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Sly Fox wrote:It would be for idealogical purposes. There are some who view our lack of tenuring as a bonus because it helps keep the school in line. Its one of the more attractive aspects of LU to some profs. I know its a big reason why my uncle will be on the faculty this fall.
Its funny during my 5+ years in and around Liberty i never heard one prof say they view the lack of tenuring as a bonus ill tell you that for sure. Sure a ton of profs didn't complain about it or anything but i think few are as high on it as considering it a "bonus".
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By Sly Fox
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Everyone would prefer job security if given as an option. But there can be an appreciation for the mission of the school that would generate some understanding. Of course there are certain posters who wouldn't touch this topic with a 10-foot pole.

:D
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By Cider Jim
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Sly Fox wrote: Of course there are certain posters who wouldn't touch this topic with a 10-foot pole. :D
...or even a 20 foot pole. 'Glad to hear your uncle is joining us, Sly! Does he follow sports at all, like Fumble and I do?
By 4everfsu
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What will your uncle be teaching?
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By JDUB
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Rocketfan wrote:
Sly Fox wrote:It would be for idealogical purposes. There are some who view our lack of tenuring as a bonus because it helps keep the school in line. Its one of the more attractive aspects of LU to some profs. I know its a big reason why my uncle will be on the faculty this fall.
Its funny during my 5+ years in and around Liberty i never heard one prof say they view the lack of tenuring as a bonus ill tell you that for sure. Sure a ton of profs didn't complain about it or anything but i think few are as high on it as considering it a "bonus".
my management professor said last semester that he appreciated the lack of tenure
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By Sly Fox
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I don't know if all of the Ts are crossed and Is are dotted. But it appears my uncle is moving up from Florida for this fall. And he's not big sports fan but I'll start working on him right away. I believe he played soccer at Cedarville back in the day in his undergrad years. So that might be where I start working on him.
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By matshark
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there are some professors at LU that dont DESERVE tenure... and that is the reason there is no tenure at LU...

although, the professors on this forum are certainly of the highest quality and IF LU had teure, I'm quite sure they would be deserving recipients
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