[Purple Haize]

Holy crap. We agree!!!

I'll count that as a win and continue to lurk.

You love me and you know it. It just hurts your heart to admit it

[paradox]

Most would agree. Those are two separate conversations. But some seem to have made a business out of crossing that line. One the most bizarre names that comes up on this thread is David French. The only reason that I even recognize the name is because I'm familiar with the National Review. Very conservative, but marginal writer. Didn't even know he was a believer, until he starts trying to persuade conservative believers to embrace leftist ideology. A dichotomy, for sure. But not for him. In fact, he's not even remotely hesitant to proselytize this on the truly faithful as a purist moral obligation. All while maintaining his conservatism, and yours, if you follow him there. You can be left or right and believe. But you can't be conservative and embrace leftist theory. An obvious contradiction in terms. He's no longer at the the National Review btw.

[TH Spangler]

Most would agree. Those are two separate conversations. But some seem to have made a business out of crossing that line. One the most bizarre names that comes up on this thread is David French. The only reason that I even recognize the name is because I'm familiar with the National Review. Very conservative, but marginal writer. Didn't even know he was a believer, until he starts trying to persuade conservative believers to embrace leftist ideology. A dichotomy, for sure. But not for him. In fact, he's not even remotely hesitant to proselytize this on the truly faithful as a purist moral obligation. All while maintaining his conservatism, and yours, if you follow him there. You can be left or right and believe. But you can't be conservative and embrace leftist theory. An obvious contradiction in terms. He's no longer at the the National Review btw.

He's become a NYTimes favorite these days. Speaks for itself.

[paradox]

Every election cycle, there’s this effort to pull the evangelical voter away from the GOP. Last cycle, they said don’t vote at all. It’s immoral. This cycle, it’s, hey, why not vote Dem, why fight it?

Evangelicals are among the most reliably astute voters in the electorate. Most are not swayed by leaders, trends, or prestige. The independent frame of mind is the biggest threat to Dems

[JK37]

Set aside for whom/what one votes, and consider this: is the act of voting a moral imperative?

[Purple Haize]

Set aside for whom/what one votes, and consider this: is the act of voting a moral imperative?

Great question. I’d say it’s a Civic Responsibility. Not sure if that puts it the realm of morality. I think not voting is shirking your responsibilities. I think voting for a non viable candidate is better than not voting but not by much.

[JK37]

I’ve heard Jesus’ statement in Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21 to “render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s” applied to voting. and I like that.

[Dalegarz1]

I like that too JK37. A great read, IMHO, on this topic is a book by Francis Schaeffer entitled;”A Christian Manifesto “. In it he outlines our civic responsibilities as believers in a progressive fashion even up to and including civil disobedience when called for.

[Purple Haize]

I’ve heard Jesus’ statement in Luke 20:25 and Matthew 22:21 to “render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s” applied to voting. and I like that.

HA! We don’t have a Caesar so it doesn’t apply! Like know your Bible dude

[Dalegarz1]

Oh, we have a Caesar. It need not be limited to one person!

[Humble_Opinion]

So far the Kamala platform calls for:
- price controls on food and groceries
- increasing the corporate tax rate
- taxes on net UNREALIZED gains

We also have zero mention of God in the 91 page platform adopted by the delegates. BUT we do have Planned Parenthood right outside the DNC performing abortions in their travel bus. Supposedly they performed several already. Sounds like a platform for “registered Republicans” that are sick and tired of Trump and his godlessness.

[TH Spangler]

So far the Kamala platform calls for:
- price controls on food and groceries
- increasing the corporate tax rate
- taxes on net UNREALIZED gains

We also have zero mention of God in the 91 page platform adopted by the delegates. BUT we do have Planned Parenthood right outside the DNC performing abortions in their travel bus. Supposedly they performed several already. Sounds like a platform for “registered Republicans” that are sick and tired of Trump and his godlessness.

8 in one day. Another moble unit next door, preforming free vasectomies

[jmclaughlin]

So far the Kamala platform calls for:
- price controls on food and groceries
- increasing the corporate tax rate
- taxes on net UNREALIZED gains

We also have zero mention of God in the 91 page platform adopted by the delegates. BUT we do have Planned Parenthood right outside the DNC performing abortions in their travel bus. Supposedly they performed several already. Sounds like a platform for “registered Republicans” that are sick and tired of Trump and his godlessness.

8 in one day. Another moble unit next door, preforming free vasectomies

The Canaanites would be proud. Moloch is thriving in the DNC. What a gross display!

[jack_sparrow81]

The RNC is no better. They completely took it off the platform this year.

[jmclaughlin]

The RNC is no better. They completely took it off the platform this year.

Oh...maybe I missed the food truck style, murder vehicle outside of the RNC? Not that I not am saddened by the lack of morality in the Trump ticket but...
Legal Murder (aka-"Reproductive Freedom") is the #1 DNC agenda during this charade. I have watched a good chunk of it and it is a sad display of ignorance and abhorrence. if you cant see a clear differentiation between the major party's this year, then there is something broken within you.

[jack_sparrow81]

This election should've been an easy win for Trump. There was no need to stray on that. I'm not looking at Trump's morality, I'm looking at the receipts. Of all years, this is the year we really need more than two choices.

[Humble_Opinion]

Great idea… don’t vote for Trump. The only guy on the ticket that will put mostly conservative judges on the federal bench. No let’s ensure that Kamamalala, the most liberal senator during her term, gets a shot to appoint 3 SCJs and a bunch of federal appeals court judges to the bench. That will really help the pro-life cause…

[jack_sparrow81]

I voted for Trump last two elections- struggled doing it in 2016, and 2020 was kind of a no brainer. I don't knock on Trump for his morality or join in on the "never trump" reasons.
My knock on Trump is 1) he either listens to bad advice from his advisors, 2)there is possibly dirt on him which is why he makes some of the decisions he does, or 3)he is truly a wolf (which I dont think). Go back a couple of years to the Dr. Oz endorsement. It sounds silly, but the endorsement didn't make sense at all if you pay attention to politics. That was crucial election during the midterms. Even the MAGAs were going against him on it, especially when they had a perfectly good MAGA female candidate that couldve easily won with his support. There were things that looked off. This whole situation is what caused me to pull away from supporting Trump. Then the RNC comes around- just look at the speakers- again was anyone paying attention? It's okay to invite people, but it doesn't mean to give them a mic. Amber Rose is one example.
I still don't understand the benefit of the Vance pick, but Trump's hand may have been forced. It doesn't make sense and it doesn't make sense from Vance's standpoint after everything he's said in the past about Trump (it was a lot worse then what others have said that have come around). Vance is connected with the Evan McMullen crew. I didn't trust Evan in 2016 and definitely don't trust him now.
We're at the point now where RNC is taking the pro life off their platform. Some will say well he will appoint good people that are prolife: Kennedy?

I'm sitting this one out.

[TH Spangler]

[Purple Haize]

The RNC is no better. They completely took it off the platform this year.

It’s a LOT better. Leaving abortion to the States is a great opportunity and way better than either having a Federal Law securing abortion rights or continuously fighting a losing battle for a Federal law prohibiting it. As was mentioned the DNC had a mobile abortion clinic highlighted at their convention. These 2 are not the same, not even close.
You can stay home but what does that really accomplish? One of these 2 candidates is going to be President. I’m voting for the one who is least against the things I think are best for this Country. To me, not voting is giving up and I’m pretty stubborn and have a hard time doing that.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

Trump needs to grow a pair, find some courage and fight for the most vulnerable by pushing for abortion to be abolished. It is not a state issue nor is it a federal issue. God has already spoken on the issue and the time is now to either put up or shut up.

[Purple Haize]

Trump needs to grow a pair, find some courage and fight for the most vulnerable by pushing for abortion to be abolished. It is not a state issue nor is it a federal issue. God has already spoken on the issue and the time is now to either put up or shut up.

Why are you putting this on Trump? It’s in your hands now to influence the State you live in to pass abortion legislation.

[jack_sparrow81]

Haize, I hear ya and value your opinion as well as others on here. However, It's hard to overlook where the party is heading. Amber Rose (admitted satanist earlier this year) and the Sikh priestess speaking at the RNC was hard to stomach. I'm not looking for Christian nationalism and don't think that we should as believers, the ship is just heading in the wrong direction. This election should've been a breeze for Trump the way the economy/foreign policy is right now. No need to keep the prolife off the platform. Alot of of the prolife people are the ones that have stuck with Trump through through the good and bad times.

[Humble_Opinion]

Trump appointed three solid judges to the supreme court. Those judges were instrumental in overturning Roe v Wade, which had granted "constitutional" access to abortion for 50+ years. Now the determination of rights is much closer to the people and can be set by the states themselves. With Trump that remains. With Kamala you get both a legislative and judicial push to bring it back entirely and you lose forever. That's the reality of you and those like you sitting at home.

[Purple Haize]

Haize, I hear ya and value your opinion as well as others on here. However, It's hard to overlook where the party is heading. Amber Rose (admitted satanist earlier this year) and the Sikh priestess speaking at the RNC was hard to stomach. I'm not looking for Christian nationalism and don't think that we should as believers, the ship is just heading in the wrong direction. This election should've been a breeze for Trump the way the economy/foreign policy is right now. No need to keep the prolife off the platform. Alot of of the prolife people are the ones that have stuck with Trump through through the good and bad times.

I had no problem with Amber Rose (no idea who she is/was) speaking. Nor the Sikh. It’s a Political Party not a Tent Revival. I want a Sikh to have the same freedom to worship as a Baptist. The Republican Party is the one of the two that provide the best opportunity for that.
This election was never going to be a breeze and never will be a breeze for a Republican be it Mitt Romney or Donald Trump. As I look at the two Candidates Trump is by far the superior one. And one of those 2 will be President so voting for one is a decision I think an American should make. I absolutely wanted someone else in the Primary and Republicans and a half dozen choices but eventually Trump won. (The democrats staged a coup but that’s another story). So here we are we have to pick on of these 2.