[flamesfilmguy]

Has Freeze not recuperated his reputation enough to satisfy the majority that he is a changed man? What is the crux of the blowback Auburn is receiving? Is it really still what he did 6+ years ago? Because all indications are he has rehabilitated and is clean now.

Short answer: nope and if you look on Twitter neither has Ian even though he was found to have done nothing wrong. There was talk about freeze being blacklisted by the SEC indefinitely and this is part of the reason why. No matter how long ago it was and how much he’s “shown” he’s a new man there will always be blowback on that kind of hire.

[Tnobes]

Slow down people. Almost every take on this is speculation. Sure the optics look fishy and Freeze should be more transparent but caution is warranted in coloring in the blanks. If you put stock in social media rumors or worse sports media siting “anonymous sources”, you will end up being duped most of the time.

Facts that would move me to pin Freeze on a wall would be if he had a sit down with Auburn brass in the past 3 weeks or if the offer had already landed in his lap. Again, that is unknown from all we know. If it has been Sexton playing chess, that is not out of bounds for the nature of sports agents in this climate. The timelines for coach searches is already corrupted.

Regardless, Freeze owes everyone full transparency, today!

You don't get to have a cutthroat agent who "plays the game" and pretend like your hands are clean, you know full well what your agent is up to and what's going on, it just gives you deniability which is fine in some circles but not when you call yourself a Christian, you don't get to use bill Clinton lawyer speak

[Tnobes]

So let me get this straight- Auburn successfully made themselves look like idiots by doing zero due diligence and also successfully torpedoed our season and our coach’s reputation and relationship with his team and recruits all in one fell swoop.

I’m honestly kind of impressed.

Auburn being Auburn

[TH Spangler]

If HF gets jilted, he could always volunteer to give LU a MUCH better contract buyout to help get the locker room back.

THIS

[willflop]

The thought that IM would try to move on is an impossible notion, imo. IM already knows HF would take a top SEC job when or if it comes, that's the very reason they continue to extend him and do all they can for him to stay. So if he doesn't get the Auburn offer, literally nothing has changed other then bad timing of a leak. If he loses focus in November every year and we keep going 0 and 3, that's a valid concern, but something a little different.

Top SEC job? Lol Auburn is a dumpster fire that will NEVER have sustainable success, a great year every once in awhile but nothing like an Alabama or Ohio State or other helmet school.

Yep. AU is probably ranked top 5 or 6 of SEC teams, depending on which metrics you use.

[TH Spangler]

Maybe we trade Freeze for Cadillac Williams ?

https://www.si.com/college/auburn/footb ... son-tigers

[ballcoach15]

My sources tell me Coach Freeze is staying at Liberty.

[Ill flame]

Maybe we trade Freeze for Cadillac Williams ?

https://www.si.com/college/auburn/footb ... son-tigers

I know it's mostly a joke but i would love to have Cadillac Williams as a offensive coordinator. Unfortunately he has almost no experience calling plays let alone running a program and hiring assistants. We are in a fortunate position where we don't need to take a chance on a high risk unqualified coach

[jbock13]

My sources tell me Coach Freeze is staying at Liberty.

Well, either you'll be right or wrong.

[Kricket]

What's the difference between what McKay did and what Freeze did if he returns? Some of y'all referred to him as Richie Betray and Curry as Baby Judas. I'd be willing to take him back, seeing how the whole McKay scenario has turned out.

To me there is a slight difference in the fact that Liberty took a perception beating when we hired Freeze. The school put their neck out there for him. Sure, we expected him to be a heck of a coach, but even now we are seeing that most schools don't have the guts to touch Freeze even after his redemption period. The fact that Auburn's public outcry is the only reason he's still here is somewhat uncomfortable.

He also has to understand that he's under a microscope with his history, so fairly or not, he's not judged the same as other coaches. He has to be way above reproach. The Liberty community expected that when we took a shot on him. Frankly, we should expect behavior way above reproach for our entire community with all the baggage the school has. If it's Christian it should be better, to quote Doc.

So whether he lost the team or not, or is DMing people he shouldn't be, he's got to be better. I expected better at least, and I'm not saying he for sure did anything wrong... But it doesn't feel like he has been the best he can be lately.

[JK37]

in the Premiere conference in the Sport.

Now you’re just trying to tick me off.

[JK37]

I'd be curious to see if anybody transfers out if Hugh ends up staying. The players were clearly hurt by his lack of transparency that he has always promised to them.

Honest question: how was he not transparent? When they asked him, he answered honestly.

He could’ve BS’ed it for one more win. He told them the truth when they asked him. What more can be asked for?

(If he wasn’t all-in the last 3 weeks, that’s not a lack of transparency. That’s…..something else.)

I didn't tell my work about how I've been embezzling money for the last year and a half, but when they asked me about it yesterday, I told them. I'm nothing if not transparent

Embezzlement is a felony. Exploring other options under perfectly permissible means under the terms of his contract is not even remotely the same thing.

This is why you are so insufferable at times. You’re just trolling at this point, right?

[JK37]

The thought that IM would try to move on is an impossible notion, imo. IM already knows HF would take a top SEC job when or if it comes, that's the very reason they continue to extend him and do all they can for him to stay. So if he doesn't get the Auburn offer, literally nothing has changed other then bad timing of a leak. If he loses focus in November every year and we keep going 0 and 3, that's a valid concern, but something a little different.

Top SEC job? Lol Auburn is a dumpster fire that will NEVER have sustainable success, a great year every once in awhile but nothing like an Alabama or Ohio State or other helmet school.

He was saying it’s the top open SEC job.

[JK37]

Has Freeze not recuperated his reputation enough to satisfy the majority that he is a changed man? What is the crux of the blowback Auburn is receiving? Is it really still what he did 6+ years ago? Because all indications are he has rehabilitated and is clean now.

if you look on Twitter…

I could care less about everything after this. And your next three words prove my point.

But that’s my fault, I should’ve clarified. Freeze has recuperated his reputation in the minds and hearts of serious people.

[LUOrange]

I recently left a job that I loved and had been at for a long time for another employer with a much better work environment. It was absolutely necessary to keep my intentions confidential up until the last possible moment so that I didn't find myself unemployed or the bad work environment got worse. I still gave 100% to my former employer up until my last day. I'm sure that this employment behavior and principle is held by most of you and most of the working world. I do not understand why most Liberty "fans," including many on this board do not extend this same courtesy to Freeze. I do not think for a second that his negotiations with Auburn effected his coaching vs. UConn and Tech. It was pretty obvious that it did against NMSU, but obviously again, his negotiations with Auburn got exposed to the world 2-3 hours before kick-off. I'm not sure how any one of us would've responded if we were put in a similar situation as he was. Most of us probably would've went home for the day, a luxury that hd didn't have. I'm also quite sure that had Freeze and the Boys had more time to digest the breaking news that they all would've performed better. Heck, it wasn't long ago that many of you were saying the Boys had checked out cause we were Bowl eligible.

I've had many disagreements with Freeze's uniform choices, scheduling philosophy, CUSA advocacy, who he plays, and Lord knows some his play calls. But he's clearly the best football coach we've ever had. He's done what we asked him to do- elevate the program. I don't want him to leave and if Auburn is too dumb to hire him after they started this mess, then awesome. The only thing I would want is for him to make it right with the Boys and a public commitment to LU for awhile.

[JK37]

Slow down people. Almost every take on this is speculation. Sure the optics look fishy and Freeze should be more transparent but caution is warranted in coloring in the blanks. If you put stock in social media rumors or worse sports media siting “anonymous sources”, you will end up being duped most of the time.

Facts that would move me to pin Freeze on a wall would be if he had a sit down with Auburn brass in the past 3 weeks or if the offer had already landed in his lap. Again, that is unknown from all we know. If it has been Sexton playing chess, that is not out of bounds for the nature of sports agents in this climate. The timelines for coach searches is already corrupted.

Regardless, Freeze owes everyone full transparency, today!

You don't get to have a cutthroat agent who "plays the game" and pretend like your hands are clean, you know full well what your agent is up to and what's going on, it just gives you deniability which is fine in some circles but not when you call yourself a Christian, you don't get to use bill Clinton lawyer speak

No Christian could live up to your pious definition thereof.

[Tnobes]

Slow down people. Almost every take on this is speculation. Sure the optics look fishy and Freeze should be more transparent but caution is warranted in coloring in the blanks. If you put stock in social media rumors or worse sports media siting “anonymous sources”, you will end up being duped most of the time.

Facts that would move me to pin Freeze on a wall would be if he had a sit down with Auburn brass in the past 3 weeks or if the offer had already landed in his lap. Again, that is unknown from all we know. If it has been Sexton playing chess, that is not out of bounds for the nature of sports agents in this climate. The timelines for coach searches is already corrupted.

Regardless, Freeze owes everyone full transparency, today!

You don't get to have a cutthroat agent who "plays the game" and pretend like your hands are clean, you know full well what your agent is up to and what's going on, it just gives you deniability which is fine in some circles but not when you call yourself a Christian, you don't get to use bill Clinton lawyer speak

No Christian could live up to your pious definition thereof.

I didn't know being truthful was too high a bar to expect.

[Tnobes]

I recently left a job that I loved and had been at for a long time for another employer with a much better work environment. It was absolutely necessary to keep my intentions confidential up until the last possible moment so that I didn't find myself unemployed or the bad work environment got worse. I still gave 100% to my former employer up until my last day. I'm sure that this employment behavior and principle is held by most of you and most of the working world. I do not understand why most Liberty "fans," including many on this board do not extend this same courtesy to Freeze. I do not think for a second that his negotiations with Auburn effected his coaching vs. UConn and Tech. It was pretty obvious that it did against NMSU, but obviously again, his negotiations with Auburn got exposed to the world 2-3 hours before kick-off. I'm not sure how any one of us would've responded if we were put in a similar situation as he was. Most of us probably would've went home for the day, a luxury that hd didn't have. I'm also quite sure that had Freeze and the Boys had more time to digest the breaking news that they all would've performed better. Heck, it wasn't long ago that many of you were saying the Boys had checked out cause we were Bowl eligible.

I've had many disagreements with Freeze's uniform choices, scheduling philosophy, CUSA advocacy, who he plays, and Lord knows some his play calls. But he's clearly the best football coach we've ever had. He's done what we asked him to do- elevate the program. I don't want him to leave and if Auburn is too dumb to hire him after they started this mess, then awesome. The only thing I would want is for him to make it right with the Boys and a public commitment to LU for awhile.

He put himself in that situation, he didn't find himself in that situation. It's not hard to a few weeks ago call a team meeting and say "Auburn called and I'm listening to what they have to say, don't know if we will be mutually interested but before you hear rumors , I thought you should hear it from me."

[LUOrange]

I recently left a job that I loved and had been at for a long time for another employer with a much better work environment. It was absolutely necessary to keep my intentions confidential up until the last possible moment so that I didn't find myself unemployed or the bad work environment got worse. I still gave 100% to my former employer up until my last day. I'm sure that this employment behavior and principle is held by most of you and most of the working world. I do not understand why most Liberty "fans," including many on this board do not extend this same courtesy to Freeze. I do not think for a second that his negotiations with Auburn effected his coaching vs. UConn and Tech. It was pretty obvious that it did against NMSU, but obviously again, his negotiations with Auburn got exposed to the world 2-3 hours before kick-off. I'm not sure how any one of us would've responded if we were put in a similar situation as he was. Most of us probably would've went home for the day, a luxury that hd didn't have. I'm also quite sure that had Freeze and the Boys had more time to digest the breaking news that they all would've performed better. Heck, it wasn't long ago that many of you were saying the Boys had checked out cause we were Bowl eligible.

I've had many disagreements with Freeze's uniform choices, scheduling philosophy, CUSA advocacy, who he plays, and Lord knows some his play calls. But he's clearly the best football coach we've ever had. He's done what we asked him to do- elevate the program. I don't want him to leave and if Auburn is too dumb to hire him after they started this mess, then awesome. The only thing I would want is for him to make it right with the Boys and a public commitment to LU for awhile.

He put himself in that situation, he didn't find himself in that situation. It's not hard to a few weeks ago call a team meeting and say "Auburn called and I'm listening to what they have to say, don't know if we will be mutually interested but before you hear rumors , I thought you should hear it from me."

That's not how it works practically or legally, and you know that. The Man's done nothing wrong but hurt your feelings. Calm down, it'll be OK.

[JK37]

I recently left a job that I loved and had been at for a long time for another employer with a much better work environment. It was absolutely necessary to keep my intentions confidential up until the last possible moment so that I didn't find myself unemployed or the bad work environment got worse. I still gave 100% to my former employer up until my last day. I'm sure that this employment behavior and principle is held by most of you and most of the working world. I do not understand why most Liberty "fans," including many on this board do not extend this same courtesy to Freeze. I do not think for a second that his negotiations with Auburn effected his coaching vs. UConn and Tech. It was pretty obvious that it did against NMSU, but obviously again, his negotiations with Auburn got exposed to the world 2-3 hours before kick-off. I'm not sure how any one of us would've responded if we were put in a similar situation as he was. Most of us probably would've went home for the day, a luxury that hd didn't have. I'm also quite sure that had Freeze and the Boys had more time to digest the breaking news that they all would've performed better. Heck, it wasn't long ago that many of you were saying the Boys had checked out cause we were Bowl eligible.

I've had many disagreements with Freeze's uniform choices, scheduling philosophy, CUSA advocacy, who he plays, and Lord knows some his play calls. But he's clearly the best football coach we've ever had. He's done what we asked him to do- elevate the program. I don't want him to leave and if Auburn is too dumb to hire him after they started this mess, then awesome. The only thing I would want is for him to make it right with the Boys and a public commitment to LU for awhile.

Today’s Sign of the Apocalypse: I agree with a SYRACUSE fan!

[JK37]

You don't get to have a cutthroat agent who "plays the game" and pretend like your hands are clean, you know full well what your agent is up to and what's going on, it just gives you deniability which is fine in some circles but not when you call yourself a Christian, you don't get to use bill Clinton lawyer speak

No Christian could live up to your pious definition thereof.

I didn't know being truthful was too high a bar to expect.

Show me the lie.

[JK37]

I recently left a job that I loved and had been at for a long time for another employer with a much better work environment. It was absolutely necessary to keep my intentions confidential up until the last possible moment so that I didn't find myself unemployed or the bad work environment got worse. I still gave 100% to my former employer up until my last day. I'm sure that this employment behavior and principle is held by most of you and most of the working world. I do not understand why most Liberty "fans," including many on this board do not extend this same courtesy to Freeze. I do not think for a second that his negotiations with Auburn effected his coaching vs. UConn and Tech. It was pretty obvious that it did against NMSU, but obviously again, his negotiations with Auburn got exposed to the world 2-3 hours before kick-off. I'm not sure how any one of us would've responded if we were put in a similar situation as he was. Most of us probably would've went home for the day, a luxury that hd didn't have. I'm also quite sure that had Freeze and the Boys had more time to digest the breaking news that they all would've performed better. Heck, it wasn't long ago that many of you were saying the Boys had checked out cause we were Bowl eligible.

I've had many disagreements with Freeze's uniform choices, scheduling philosophy, CUSA advocacy, who he plays, and Lord knows some his play calls. But he's clearly the best football coach we've ever had. He's done what we asked him to do- elevate the program. I don't want him to leave and if Auburn is too dumb to hire him after they started this mess, then awesome. The only thing I would want is for him to make it right with the Boys and a public commitment to LU for awhile.

He put himself in that situation, he didn't find himself in that situation. It's not hard to a few weeks ago call a team meeting and say "Auburn called and I'm listening to what they have to say, don't know if we will be mutually interested but before you hear rumors , I thought you should hear it from me."

That's not how it works practically or legally, and you know that. The Man's done nothing wrong but hurt your feelings. Calm down, it'll be OK.

And now we’re 2-for-2.

[LU 57]

Unless, as JK37 pointed out, that he allowed the distraction to impact his performance. Impossible to know for sure, but there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence given how the last 3 weeks have turned out.

Not saying he has anything to apologize for, but it does not quite sit right with a lot of fans and clearly not with the team as well.

Losing DaeDae was a big deal, but cannot explain the near total collapse.

[JK37]

Unless, as JK37 pointed out, that he allowed the distraction to impact his performance. Impossible to know for sure, but there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence given how the last 3 weeks have turned out.

Not saying he has anything to apologize for, but it does not quite sit right with a lot of fans and clearly not with the team as well.

Losing DaeDae was a big deal, but cannot explain the near total collapse.

Yeah, Dae Dae could explain UCONN and VT, as well as some other things. Yesterday, not so much.

[Purple Haize]

I just can’t shake the images of what I saw Saturday. To me they possibly indicate something else more deeply rooted in the program that will need to be addressed. I’ve just never witnessed anything like that in any sport ever. It was not a good look at all. It can absolutely be cleaned up moving forward but it gives me pause