[flamehunter]

It appears Scott Lamb is admitting the school knew infected students would be returning. So, nobody should be surprised there is a massive outbreak on campus. I am sure it is also someone else's fault, probably the devil and the media. The solution might be to follow Jr's playbook and declare it a coup and a criminal conspiracy. Perhaps get the meanest lawyer in NY back down to interrogate the staff again.

When asked for comment, university spokesperson Scott Lamb told Yahoo Finance that it was unsurprising to see cases shoot up given that as of "two weeks ago, these people were [not] in Lynchburg at all" and that now "they are here, and hence, the [numbers] have gone up."

https://news.yahoo.com/liberty-universi ... 37686.html

I think that was a pretty obvious observation. when 13K students from all over the country come in - you will have more cases. It's a virus! Let's act like we have seen one before. Might not like the analogy, but it's pretty much the flu, without Tamiflu.

Yeah, making little details seem bigger than they are only serves to make it easier to dismiss the big deals that are going on.

Side note- I’m obviously super anti-conspiracy here, but Tamiflu is the real hoax. The last time I had the flu, the doctor prescribed me tamiflu and told me that, if I took it, I’d have the flu for 6 days instead of 7. That stuff was like 80 bucks with insurance too.

Since we are talking anecdotally here, the one time I was prescribed Tamiflu it was nearly a miracle drug. I was 90% better within 24 hours.

[prototype]

I think that was a pretty obvious observation. when 13K students from all over the country come in - you will have more cases. It's a virus! Let's act like we have seen one before. Might not like the analogy, but it's pretty much the flu, without Tamiflu.

Yeah, making little details seem bigger than they are only serves to make it easier to dismiss the big deals that are going on.

Side note- I’m obviously super anti-conspiracy here, but Tamiflu is the real hoax. The last time I had the flu, the doctor prescribed me tamiflu and told me that, if I took it, I’d have the flu for 6 days instead of 7. That stuff was like 80 bucks with insurance too.

Since we are talking anecdotally here, the one time I was prescribed Tamiflu it was nearly a miracle drug. I was 90% better within 24 hours.

I agree - if you use it right when you get it - if you miss your window - does very little...

[paradox]

Not to spend time on trying to figure out what was going on at Duke, I think it's more interesting to look at what smaller schools like University of Lynchburg did this year. The reason some of these schools had so much lighter burden when it comes to covid is that they asked students to quarantine before coming to school and they also required negative covid tests before allowing students on campus. Students are rather compliant regarding those protocols because they don't want to go online and they want to be at school. If you limit the number of students coming on campus campus based on that information, you certainly will have much lower numbers. couple that with vaccine requirements and mask requirements... It can certainly make a huge difference.

I’ve said hundred of times. You want the Vax - get the vax. You want to wear a mask - where a mask. You mandate it - you might as well close Liberty - because half the students are leaving. We need to learn to live with this thing and I get it - hospitals are stressed. Ok - it’s their jobs to deal with people with sickness. It’s also their jobs to figure out most efficient way to tend to their communities. Most patients, especially students, don’t need ICU - they need a place to feel bad for a few weeks and recover. Less then 2% of our liberty population had Covid and not one student or teacher is in ICU or died. We need to stop overreacting and use some common sense here.

The panic-demic and common sense are mutually exclusive.

[BlueBlood]

The panic-demic and common sense are mutually exclusive.

So true.

I have one set of friends who do whatever Fauci says immediately and think that makes them the most caring and smartest people around. If you don't buy into the group-think quick enough, they are pretty quick to label you a stupid, selfish, non-compassionate idiot.

I have another set of friends who won't do anything required or recommended - because the other side isn't going to tell them what to do. And even if something makes sense or is only a minor inconvenience - they aren't going to do it.

I don't know if the middle ground is so extremely small or if the folks in the middle are just extremely quiet - but day to day, all I hear is the first two groups yelling at each other.

[rogers3]

Not to spend time on trying to figure out what was going on at Duke, I think it's more interesting to look at what smaller schools like University of Lynchburg did this year. The reason some of these schools had so much lighter burden when it comes to covid is that they asked students to quarantine before coming to school and they also required negative covid tests before allowing students on campus. Students are rather compliant regarding those protocols because they don't want to go online and they want to be at school. If you limit the number of students coming on campus campus based on that information, you certainly will have much lower numbers. couple that with vaccine requirements and mask requirements... It can certainly make a huge difference.

I’ve said hundred of times. You want the Vax - get the vax. You want to wear a mask - where a mask. You mandate it - you might as well close Liberty - because half the students are leaving. We need to learn to live with this thing and I get it - hospitals are stressed. Ok - it’s their jobs to deal with people with sickness. It’s also their jobs to figure out most efficient way to tend to their communities. Most patients, especially students, don’t need ICU - they need a place to feel bad for a few weeks and recover. Less then 2% of our liberty population had Covid and not one student or teacher is in ICU or died. We need to stop overreacting and use some common sense here.

We are soft. Many Americans have a hard time making any kind of sacrifice and some early planning would have been helpful, even if it didn't include a vaccine. From a business perspective, this will end up hurting LU, but some here would just argue that"we" have more money than God, so it will be fine.

[rtb72]

Interesting article. Empirically based study. I think this can help temper some of the hyperbole surrounding masks in particular....IF you believe in science that is.

https://www.wral.com/coronavirus/study- ... /19844289/

[BlueBlood]

Interesting how ineffective they found the cloth and surgical masks to be (which is what I see most people wearing). I only see a very small minority of folks going hardcore with an N95.

[stokesjokes]

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

[prototype]

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

Zero reactions to masks? Tell that to my daughter who has had to have her nose cauterized twice because of masks...

[paradox]

First they told us not to use them because they don't work...and then they said you can use them, but don't buy the surgical kind because healthcare workers need them...so make your own or use a scarf if you want...And then the Govs of NY/NJ/CA started imposing mandates out the wazoo, including masks. We are told mandates are vital because we don't have a vax. The vax just so happens to come out only days after the election. So, people go and get the vax, in order to stop wearing masks, and then officials start going off in all kinds of odd directions, only to arrive at the conclusion that the vaccinated need to be masked as well, and with frequent booster shots, of course. Stay tuned.

[stokesjokes]

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

Did you see the mega study out of Bangladesh that was just published? Probably the best we’ll ever get regarding community masking, a RCT on a massive scale.

I like this thread bc it’s a good summary of the study and why it’s impressive and bc it has a direct link to the study itself:

Basically, masks show a significant reduction in community spread with only ~43% compliance. Not a huge reduction, but statistically significant. Also echoes that cloth mask are least helpful, surgical masks had a substantially bigger impact on spread (although cloth masks did do something).

Also of note, zero adverse reactions to the masks.

Zero reactions to masks? Tell that to my daughter who has had to have her nose cauterized twice because of masks...

In this study they had no adverse reactions reported, although I’m not sure what would qualify. It was also voluntary masking, so I’m sure if there was that much discomfort like what your daughter experienced, they probably just didn’t wear the mask.

[cruzan_flame13]

You're one of those conspiracy nut cases aren't you? Are you creating thoughts by yourself? You know there's a mandate about that! There's alot of cases, so you need to do what you're told! Eventually they will tell us when they want to...I mean when they finally flattened the curve .

[tyndal23]

https://watch.liberty.edu/media/t/1_7a2pj6ve

What is the tent for - dining take out - MASH Unit ?

[LUconn]

Has there been any hospitalizations? Is that even a stat that we would know?

[BlueBlood]

I watched a lot of football last night. Red state or Blue - it didn’t seem to matter - big big crowds and very few masks.

[paradox]

Good stuff.

[paradox]

You're one of those conspiracy nut cases aren't you? Are you creating thoughts by yourself? You know there's a mandate about that! There's alot of cases, so you need to do what you're told! Eventually they will tell us when they want to...I mean when they finally flattened the curve .

I'm still waiting for the study that shows mask wearing and other measures don't help you; they help the other guy. So, the other guy wears a mask for me and I wear one for him. I can't protect myself, only he can. And vice versa. So, masks really don't work for your individual protection. If you want to protect yourself, you need the other guy to wear the mask on your behalf. I guess that's why they started promoting double-masking with at least one N-95...in the event that you have the need to actually protect yourself....if that's even possible.

[badger74]

Get the frikking shots. It's not just about you or LU. Long-time LU supporter but this is a dealbreaker and some stupid stuff.

[jbock13]

Get the frikking shots. It's not just about you or LU. Long-time LU supporter but this is a dealbreaker and some stupid stuff.

+1

[TallyW]

Virginia. Tech.

[paradox]

Dis-enroll people? Hopefully not. Nothing wrong with advocating, suggesting, and persuading in favor of getting vaxxed. But whatever we do.....we gotta keep our cool. Stay calm. Go easy.

[BlueBlood]

I notice that the CDC clearly states that the Delta variant is only causing infections in a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated. They advise that "Some breakthrough infections are expected, but remain rare.”

Is this what you guys are seeing in your communities?

My whole friend group just got taken down by Delta - it didn’t seem to discriminate between vaccinated or unvaccinated at all. We all got it (I have it right now). Crazy enough, in some of the families that had both a vaccinated and unvaccinated spouse, the vaccinated spouse got it first.

From my on the ground observations, Im not convinced that the vaccines provide any protection at all from GETTING the Delta variant. I am however convinced that the vaccines are lessening the symptoms.

Anyway, just curious if you guys are seeing the same indiscriminating characteristics regarding Delta transmission in your areas. I live in Tampa, so obviously we were probably a little closer to the front end of the Delta wave.

[stokesjokes]

Here in the burg I know several vaxxed people with it currently. Delta is gnarly and is not playing around. I keep thinking about just how bad things would have been if we had seen delta first. Praying for a quick recovery for you guys and nothing that lingers.

[rmiller1959]

Our household is fully vaccinated, but my wife tested positive as have several professors in the department she leads. She's persuaded that her symptoms would have been worse or more prolonged without the vaccine.

[BlueBlood]

Our household is fully vaccinated, but my wife tested positive as have several professors in the department she leads. She's persuaded that her symptoms would have been worse or more prolonged without the vaccine.

My thought is the same as your wife’s. I’m vaccinated and my symptoms have been pretty manageable so far (they actually aren’t much worse than my unvaccinated 17 year old daughters symptoms - which im happy with because I’m 50)

I do think that the CDC is kidding itself however by continuing to push the narrative that there will only be a minor number of “breakthroughs” among the vaccinated ranks.