[alabama24]

What I love in all this is how quickly you have fallen off the "B12" bandwagon Sly.

[ballcoach15]

Big 12 appears to be doing nothing to keep the conference intact, after losing Texas and Okies. Longhorns and Sooners basically ruled the conference. Their departure gives other teams an opportunity to be successful and win championships.

[rmiller1959]

Big 12 appears to be doing nothing to keep the conference intact, after losing Texas and Okies. Longhorns and Sooners basically ruled the conference. Their departure gives other teams an opportunity to be successful and win championships.

You're right about that. The other three Power 5 conferences are talking, and they didn't include the Big 12. Either they need to invite four AAC teams looking to move up to Power 5 status - my vote is for SMU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati - or the individual schools are going to have to abandon ship and take the best deal they can get.

[ballcoach15]

Big 12 appears to be doing nothing to keep the conference intact, after losing Texas and Okies. Longhorns and Sooners basically ruled the conference. Their departure gives other teams an opportunity to be successful and win championships.

You're right about that. The other three Power 5 conferences are talking, and they didn't include the Big 12. Either they need to invite four AAC teams looking to move up to Power 5 status - my vote is for SMU, Houston, UCF, and Cincinnati - or the individual schools are going to have to abandon ship and take the best deal they can get.

Take SMU out, and add Liberty.

[alabama24]

looking to move up to Power 5 status

It doesn't matter who they invite; once this deal is finalized, the B12 is no longer a "power" anything.

[alabama24]

Take SMU out, and add Liberty.

Somebody better check the map. Liberty isn't on the Big 12 Coast.

[JK37]

Haven’t you heard? BC throws out all rules of logic - not to mention, all morals too - when it comes to LU.

[rmiller1959]

looking to move up to Power 5 status

It doesn't matter who they invite; once this deal is finalized, the B12 is no longer a "power" anything.

As long as the NCAA maintains their A5 status, they are a Power 5 conference despite the loss of their flagship programs. They would have to revoke their status as an "autonomy conference" and I don't think they intend to do that.

"The Big 12 is an A5 conference: it is one of five conferences (along with the ACC, Big 10, Pac-12, and SEC) that has autonomy from the NCAA to enact its own rules in some areas, particularly in providing financial compensation for student-athletes."

[Ill flame]

looking to move up to Power 5 status

It doesn't matter who they invite; once this deal is finalized, the B12 is no longer a "power" anything.

As I've said before based strictly off of on field success if the "little 8" added any 4 of BYU, Houston, Memphis, UCF and/or Cincinnati they would still be a better football conference top to bottom than the ACC and Pac 12.

Of course they won't have a team that could regularly compete for championships so people will still say it sucks. It's interesting because the ACC is objectively the worst football conference but since Clemson is good people are quick to overlook that.

[ATrain]

Seems like the PAC-12, B1G, and ACC are discussing a scheduling alliance, not a "merger." The ACC has to be careful here, because the 4 rivalry games with the SEC (Clemson v. South Carolina, Georgia v. Georgia Tech, Florida v. Florida State, and Louisville v. Kentucky) currently hold more value to the ACC than they do to the SEC (see 2020 season): https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... scheduling

[ballcoach15]

There's nothing to gain in this scheduling scenario, for any team, in either of the 3 conferences. If they want to improve schedules, play SEC schools. Who wants to see a UVA vs Illinois game, or a NC State vs Washington game ?

[olldflame]

There's nothing to gain in this scheduling scenario, for any team, in either of the 3 conferences. If they want to improve schedules, play SEC schools. Who wants to see a UVA vs Illinois game, or a NC State vs Washington game ?

Who? UVA, Illinois, NC State and Washington fans, same as with probably 9 out of 10 college football games. If you think it is even logistically possible for everyone in the FBS to schedule multiple games with SEC schools so that more people who are not part of their fan base will "want to see them", you are clueless.

[ATrain]

I mean, I'd love to see an annual Tech v. Tennessee game in Bristol every year, as its another ACC v. SEC rivalry game that just makes too much sense. I'm sure you can make an argument for Vandy rotating Duke/Wake/UVA every three years as well, but the time for that strengthening ties between the ACC and SEC came and went in the last round of realignment.

UVA v. Maryland would be a great renewed rivalry, as well as Pitt v. Penn State every year, create a bi-coastal rivalry with Miami and UCLA or USC, etc. The possibilities for new games that people would want to see are endless if those 3 conferences get an alliance together.

[alabama24]

As long as the NCAA maintains their A5 status, they are a Power 5 conference despite the loss of their flagship programs. They would have to revoke their status as an "autonomy conference" and I don't think they intend to do that.

What the NCAA giveth, the NCAA can taketh away. If there even is an NCAA after the dust settles.

I know there was much excitement about the expansion of the playoffs… but you don’t really think the SEC is going to add Texas and Oklahoma to allow other conferences easier paths to a championship, do you?

[LUOrange]

I had read that the ACC-B10-PAC12 alliance had more to do with voting at the NCAA Constitutional committee/convention than a scheduling alliance. Their alliance, scheduling and/or constitutional, is probably not a good thing for us and the G5, especially with scheduling.

[ballcoach15]

Why is the NCAA so badly run ? With a president making 2 or 3 million a year, one would think the organization would run more smoothly. It's one controversy after another.

[ballcoach15]

Texas A&M Men's basketball just found guilty of cheating. Buzz Williams got a 2 game suspension. Very light punishment, in that he'll sit out 2 games vs cupcakes, probably. A NCAA tournament ban should have been handed down.

[tyndal23]

As long as the NCAA maintains their A5 status, they are a Power 5 conference despite the loss of their flagship programs. They would have to revoke their status as an "autonomy conference" and I don't think they intend to do that.

What the NCAA giveth, the NCAA can taketh away. If there even is an NCAA after the dust settles.

I know there was much excitement about the expansion of the playoffs… but you don’t really think the SEC is going to add Texas and Oklahoma to allow other conferences easier paths to a championship, do you?

What exactly does that mean? The guy who authored the 12 team format is the SEC Commish who wrote in 6 best conferences while also talking to OU TX. ( otherwise he could have said 5 best conferences ) As for Autonomy - that is probably coming for all conferences in a couple of months after the convention. . The Playoff doesn’t segment between P5 and G5 conferences - just 6 best conference ( highest rated ) and much has been written about losing the P5 G5 designation. Of course he felt solid about getting another 6 spots available for possible SEC teams but the real revenue is the extra SEC games and regular season value of OU TX tv revenue. It will be the other whiny conferences that try and squeeze out Big 12 ( or 6th auto bid ) and/ or limit number of conference teams allowed - not the SEC.

[rmiller1959]

The news of the Pac-12, Big Ten, and ACC forming an alliance that goes beyond scheduling, whatever that means, is big news, but so is the Pac-12 commissioner's comments about expansion:

“I am not actively poaching any school or convincing anyone to leave their existing conference, but I wouldn’t be doing my job if I wasn’t listening to schools that wanted to go in the Pac-12,” Kliavkoff told the paper, “and we’ve had a lot of them reach out. Probably all of the ones you would expect and several you’d be surprised by.”

“We have taken initial meetings with everyone that has expressed an interest,” Kliavkoff told the Review-Journal. “We have a working group … who are together deciding on what to recommend … At the end of the day, they’ll make the decision about whether or not to offer admission to the Pac-12 to any other schools.”

“There’s no hard deadline related to any of this,” he said, “but I would say I don’t think it’s good for college athletics given the vibration that’s going on as a result of the Texas and Oklahoma news. The quicker we can dampen that vibration, the better. We will have a decision on whether we intend to expand or not in the next couple of weeks.”

So all those Big 12 schools that say they're in it together are probably heading for the exits if an exit is offered. I sure hope Texas Tech is one of them!

https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/b ... 32073.html

[tyndal23]

Good to hear, glad they put a time table on decision vs dragging it out.

[ballcoach15]

Meanwhile, the Big 12 is sitting on their butts, doing nothing.

[olldflame]

Meanwhile, the Big 12 is sitting on their butts, doing nothing.

Of course, because if they WERE doing SOMETHING, they obviously would have told YOU all about it.

[Sly Fox]

And for the record, sitting on hands is exactly what I expect the Pac 12 to do as well. But the result of that inaction enables the R8 (Remaining 8 ) to move forward without everyone looking for the first available P5 exit. Then it is just a matter of the league negotiating the exit from Texas & Oklahoma. If it appears they will just ride out the contract and a big UT/OU payout to be shared among existing members isn't coming, then you will see Bowlsby leading the expansion charge. Until then it will hold steady.

With the word that The Alliance is expected to announce as eary as this coming week what they have worked out behind closed doors, we could be entering a watershed moment for collegiate sports based on how the Evil Empires (ESPN & SEC) respond. I honestly believe these could be the catalysts for wholesale changes that could ultimately lead to the NCAA and its cash cow hoops tourney being blown up. While I would designate that is unlikely in the next 5 years the wheels are in motion. The Alliance would now wield the collective ability to control voting to a significant extent heading into the playoff expansion discussion and the upcoming constitutional convention.

[ATrain]

The BigTen is indicating revenue is important, but that it is not the only important issue in the conference when it comes to the alliance. https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... pac-12-acc

[ballcoach15]

I read that they may share libraries. What a joke. All 3 conferences are hitting the panic button for no reason. 2 schools leaving B12 should have very little, if any bearing on ACC. B10 and P12.