[TH Spangler]

Listened to a couple of Biden's press conferences. He won't last a year. America's decline continues. Not even the fake press will be able to keep him propped up.

[JK37]

Listened to a couple of Biden's press conferences. He won't last a year. America's decline continues. Not even the fake press will be able to keep him propped up.

I’m not sure it’ll be that quick. But you’re not wrong. Even as a Democrat, I would have to wonder if the strategy of “just beat Trump” will end up backfiring because they used Biden/Harris to do it. If he can’t go long, what does it do to the party long term?

[thepostman]

All that may be completely worth discussing. Especially when you have a man in his late 70's running the country but that isn't the issue at hand currently. How much longer until Trump and/or supporters come around and realize his campaign has no case for wide spread fraud? They seem intent on appealing this decision to a higher court but the way this decision was written there is no way a higher court will want to touch it.

It just isn't good for our country and it seems more Republican politicians are coming around on the fact that this is a losing battle.

[Purple Haize]

All that may be completely worth discussing. Especially when you have a man in his late 70's running the country but that isn't the issue at hand currently. How much longer until Trump and/or supporters come around and realize his campaign has no case for wide spread fraud? They seem intent on appealing this decision to a higher court but the way this decision was written there is no way a higher court will want to touch it.

It just isn't good for our country and it seems more Republican politicians are coming around on the fact that this is a losing battle.

It’s my understanding that this was not one of the three cases discussed in the Thursday Press Conference And that Rudy G (his rapper name) kinda came on in the end. Either way it’s going to the SCOTUS.
I’m not sure how proving the election was on the up and up for the most part damages our democracy. As more and more issues come to light and are then explained it provides fewer and fewer excuses to hide behind.
This is ugly and messy but ultimately not destroying our democracy

[thepostman]

That was one of the 3.

As the lawsuit clearly states DONALD J. TRUMP FOR
PRESIDENT, INC was the plaintiff.

I provided a source and everything!

[Jonathan Carone]

This is ugly and messy but ultimately not destroying our democracy

The process isn’t destroying our democracy, but the rhetoric coming from the president and his team absolutely is. It’s encouraging all sorts of conspiracy theories and empowering their followers to make threats against poll workers and election commission members and their families. Instead of ensuring the process is working, they’re intent on tearing it down and eroding trust, even when the courts are overwhelmingly saying fraud didn’t happen.

[thepostman]

I think destroying it is probably hyperbole but it certainly undermining our democracy.

The process needs to happen. Lawsuits happen every election and they ultimately help strengthen our democracy but the rhetoric simply undermines that entire process.

[thepostman]

Just FYI, this is how the campaign is spinning their PA case. This loss is good!

[TH Spangler]

This is ugly and messy but ultimately not destroying our democracy

The process isn’t destroying our democracy, but the rhetoric coming from the president and his team absolutely is. It’s encouraging all sorts of conspiracy theories and empowering their followers to make threats against poll workers and election commission members and their families. Instead of ensuring the process is working, they’re intent on tearing it down and eroding trust, even when the courts are overwhelmingly saying fraud didn’t happen.

Still not comparable to the demacrates 4 year denial. Not sure we'll ever recover from that. Caused a deep bitter divide.

[thepostman]

Nobody denied the election results. That is a false narrative cooked up by conservative media. They did try to undermine most of Trump’s presidency but they didn't try to get the election results overturned and millions of votes thrown out. That just didn't happen.

[thepostman]

It is also tiresome to hear, "well the left did..." fill in the blank. I get it. The left is not a group that has some kind of moral high ground. I agree! It doesn't give Trump and his allies a green light to say and do whatever they want. It isn't good for our country and should be condemned.

But there is zero consistency here or anywhere else in our poltical discourse. Whataboutism is the name of the game.

My kids do it all the time but they are kids. We should be better than that.

[Jonathan Carone]

The “they did it too” idea is killing us. No one is willing to hold the high ground anymore. They’re all racing to the bottom morally while blaming the other side for forcing them there. Eventually someone has to stand up and lead.

[Purple Haize]

This is ugly and messy but ultimately not destroying our democracy

The process isn’t destroying our democracy, but the rhetoric coming from the president and his team absolutely is. It’s encouraging all sorts of conspiracy theories and empowering their followers to make threats against poll workers and election commission members and their families. Instead of ensuring the process is working, they’re intent on tearing it down and eroding trust, even when the courts are overwhelmingly saying fraud didn’t happen.

You must be missing the threats against whistleblowers and Election officials who want the process to continue
You blame everything on Trump. This is simply not the case. Michigan is a clear example of that.

[Purple Haize]

I think destroying it is probably hyperbole but it certainly undermining our democracy.

The process needs to happen. Lawsuits happen every election and they ultimately help strengthen our democracy but the rhetoric simply undermines that entire process.

You can’t have it both ways. The process either needs to happen or it’s undermining our democracy. It certainly isn’t undermining our democracy. Did you know there are still counts and challenges going on for other races across the country? Did you know Stacy Abrams never conceded? Are those also undermining our democracy!
Or is this just more hyperbole and fear being pushed down our throats?

[thepostman]

How am I having it both ways?

[thepostman]

The federal judge made it pretty clear in his ruling that the charge of wide spread fraud is ludicrous. We have a system and it is working pretty well in sniffing out the insanity that charge is. That is why our democracy will be fine. Our system is working.

Trump and his rhetoric is absolutely trying to undermine the results in the name of "they did it to me". It is bad for our country and is selfish.

I know I know. Them dems do it too which is also part of the problem!

This is so tiring to discuss. I can't comprehend justifying the widespread fraud rhetoric. It just doesn't make sense.

[Purple Haize]

The federal judge made it pretty clear in his ruling that the charge of wide spread fraud is ludicrous. We have a system and it is working pretty well in sniffing out the insanity that charge is. That is why our democracy will be fine. Our system is working.

Trump and his rhetoric is absolutely trying to undermine the results in the name of "they did it to me". It is bad for our country and is selfish.

I know I know. Them dems do it too which is also part of the problem!

This is so tiring to discuss. I can't comprehend justifying the widespread fraud rhetoric. It just doesn't make sense.

I don’t believe it is widespread. If anything it was targeted.
How you’re having it both ways is saying “By continuing to pursue all legal remedies which is their Right and they should be allowed to do the are undermining our democracy “. If they were doing something illegal or shady, sure. But they are not. So you either allow them to exercise their Rights or they are undermining Democracy. Can’t be both

[thepostman]

It is simple.

The court cases are fine and going through the process. What they are saying in court isn't remotely close to what they are saying to the public.

It is the rhetoric OUTSIDE the courts from Trump and his campaign that are absolutely undermining the entire process.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

[stokesjokes]

Having the right to do something does not equal being right in doing it. Legality should not be the only guiding ethic here.

[lawrenceq]

Trump's legal strategy is ready, fire, then aim!

[TH Spangler]

Nobody denied the election results. That is a false narrative cooked up by conservative media. They did try to undermine most of Trump’s presidency but they didn't try to get the election results overturned and millions of votes thrown out. That just didn't happen.

Who said they did? No, they concocted a fake Russia hoax. Trump was probably our last chance to throw the pay to play scammers out, bring our jobs home and return power to hard working Americans. Can't wait to start the "Biden Sellout Thread" on here. Next couple of years will be interesting

[stokesjokes]

You keep calling it a fake Russia hoax, which I hear a lot. Almost wishful thinking as if it were true.

Mueller’s investigation resulted in 34 indictments, if we ignore the indictments of top Trump officials for lying to the FBI about contact with the Russians, we had indictments of 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities for “conspiracy to defraud the U.S. for interfering with the election.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 266050002/

Obviously there was Russian interference and obviously it was worth looking into. Maybe the Dems tried to exaggerate Trump’s ties to it, but it’s hard to say what the ties were when Trump’s people are known to have lied about the contact they had with the Russians (and were indicted for it).

You could maybe call it overblown if you want, but “fake” and “hoax” are deliberate misrepresentations of what actually happened, no matter what Lou Dobbs tells you.

[Purple Haize]

“Top Trump Officials “. How many are in prison? If you want to call a bunch of silly FB ads “influence” then Ok

I just find this more relevant and perplexing

[thepostman]

Especially since Trump tweeted this a week ago

It is such an unorganized mess. Even more reason why it blows my how people think this crew has any chance of having success in court.

[stokesjokes]

Is OJ in jail Jail status may not be the best reference point here.

It’s simple, she’s a crackpot. Her accusations are Alex Jones level of conspiracy, more akin to something a caller on Coast to Coast AM would say than someone on the President’s legal team.

The big difference and I think the reason for the distancing- a lot of the accusations all around have been shown to be baseless. Hers are baseless and easily disproven.