[paradox]

Pence-Noem '24 sounds good to me.

[thepostman]

Cruz - Scott 2024 ?

Don’t tease.

Any role for Pence?

Pence has to be the prohibitive front runner in 2024 for the GOP. He’s already demonstrated that he can handle his opponent when they debated. He can compare and contrast the going back to Trump Policies and the (probable) failures of returning and expanding Obama Era Policies. Maybe put Haley as Veep. Trump is a pretty loyal guy if you are loyal to him, and that epitomizes Pence. So if Ivanka or Junior don’t run I can see Trump putting his full weight behind Pence

Pence/Haley would be pretty strong in my opinion.

I'm very much against the Trump family involved in politics from here on out. As you probably already are aware of

[TH Spangler]

I want a black conservative Christian man with a track record on the ticket. My black brothers and sisters in Christ deserve better representation than they have had. Loved seeing Burgess win!

Nothing but respect for Trump and his family here.

[stokesjokes]

Let me guess, Voddie Baucham?

[Purple Haize]

I want a black conservative Christian man with a track record on the ticket. My black brothers and sisters in Christ deserve better representation than they have had. Loved seeing Burgess win!

Nothing but respect for Trump and his family here.

Tim Scott or Burgess Owens

[TH Spangler]

Let me guess, Voddie Baucham?

Save 71, hire Dr Voddie!

[stokesjokes]

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/t ... es-of-very

Here’s some challenging thoughts on the current alignment between Evangelicals and republican politics. Thoughts?

[Jonathan Carone]

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/t ... es-of-very

Here’s some challenging thoughts on the current alignment between Evangelicals and republican politics. Thoughts?

It’s an identity crisis:

Christian Americans vs American Christians

[TH Spangler]

I wonder who he voted for? He lays out his never Trump point of view. He doesn't justify a vote for Biden though? He probably should not vote for either based on his views. I can see that.

[stokesjokes]

I wonder who he voted for? He lays out his never Trump point of view. He doesn't justify a vote for Biden though? He probably should not vote for either based on his views. I can see that.

I think this piece is much larger than a vote in the current election. There was the philosophy that Christians should get into politics so their Christianity can help form politics, but we have seen more and more that politics has been forming our Christianity, not the other way around. I worry that the alliance between the two closes half of the country’s ears to the gospel.

[TH Spangler]

He makes his case, but I haven't seen it. What I have seen is a political movement cloaking itself in a false doctrine. See Dr Voddie's next book release. "Fault Lines".

[stokesjokes]

What do you make of the difference in voting habits of white evangelicals and non-white evangelicals?

[Jonathan Carone]

What do you make of the difference in voting habits of white evangelicals and non-white evangelicals?

It’s not just black Christians vs white Christians in this discussion. It’s American Christians vs Christians around the world.

Take Canada for example. This was mentioned in the French article, but a researcher studied four churches less than 100 miles apart: two in Buffalo and two in Canada. She found:

The picture was different in Hamilton, where Bean found a much greater appreciation for middle ground and a more varying attitude toward the state and outside world. While the Hamiltonians shared very similar views with their Buffalo counterparts on abortion and sexual morality, they did not have the same reactions against the state as a whole. They were more likely to support and even work with government programs and generally viewed the state as neutral overall, rather than the exclusive terrain of opponents. While nearly all the Americans assumed God was a Republican, party identity was distinctly more mixed in Canada, with few strong Conservatives and many expressing at least partial support for the Liberals or even NDP (Trudeau and Mulcair’s campaign managers should take note). And Bean’s findings are supported by other survey research on Canadian-American evangelical differences on economic and political attitudes, even when controlling for the overall differences in political culture between the two countries.

Source

If you’re looking to read that article, start under the pull quote that says “ While the Americans assumed God was a Republican, party identity was distinctly more mixed in Canada.” Up until that part it’s just background and not as interesting.

[paradox]

You guys take this stuff way too seriously. Most people vote for what they perceive as the lesser of two evils.

[Jonathan Carone]

You think the Trump worship by the right the last four years is a lesser of two evils?

You’re either trolling or not paying attention.

[paradox]

Worship of anything other than God is a problem. Most people who vote for Trump, do it reluctantly.

[Jonathan Carone]

More people voted for him than any other Republican candidate in the history of this country. I don’t think “most” were reluctant.

[paradox]

For most, it's like that. Both sides. It's the lesser of two evils. People, in general, understand politics is corrupt. All these young girls on social media moralizing, probably don't worship Biden. But hey, there's always exceptions.

[stokesjokes]

The reluctant Trump voter may have been true in 2016, but it did not hold for 2020.

“they did find that fewer of Biden’s supporters (48 percent) said they were enthusiastic about him, while far more of Trump’s supporters (77 percent) said they were enthusiastic about him.“

Source: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/am ... democrats/

Regardless, going back to the French article, it was not about voting for Trump, it was about the current phenomenon of evangelical voters aligning their views with every view of the Republican Party. If someone were reluctantly voting, as you say, this wouldn’t be true. However, the research is pretty condemning on that point.

[Purple Haize]

I was a much more reluctant Trump voter in 2016 than 2020. To me he proved he could do the job. And just as importantly there wasn’t a better alternative

[paradox]

The reluctant Trump voter may have been true in 2016, but it did not hold for 2020.

“they did find that fewer of Biden’s supporters (48 percent) said they were enthusiastic about him, while far more of Trump’s supporters (77 percent) said they were enthusiastic about him.“

Source: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/am ... democrats/

Regardless, going back to the French article, it was not about voting for Trump, it was about the current phenomenon of evangelical voters aligning their views with every view of the Republican Party. If someone were reluctantly voting, as you say, this wouldn’t be true. However, the research is pretty condemning on that point.

Christian millennials do not fit that mold; neither do main-liners.

[paradox]

I was a much more reluctant Trump voter in 2016 than 2020. To me he proved he could do the job. And just as importantly there wasn’t a better alternative

Ok, so their thesis is that you may be under suspicion of Trump worship

[Purple Haize]

I was a much more reluctant Trump voter in 2016 than 2020. To me he proved he could do the job. And just as importantly there wasn’t a better alternative

Ok, so their thesis is that you may be under suspicion of Trump worship

Probably not even recognized as a Christian outside US Borders

[stokesjokes]

You’re really trying to push this off track- that article hardly even mentions Trump. It’s about the phenomenon that the white Evangelical church has become increasingly enmeshed to the Republican Party.

It’s not about Trump and it’s not about mainliners. Do you have any salient thoughts about this phenomenon? Did you read the article?

[paradox]

I was a much more reluctant Trump voter in 2016 than 2020. To me he proved he could do the job. And just as importantly there wasn’t a better alternative

Ok, so their thesis is that you may be under suspicion of Trump worship

Probably not even recognized as a Christian outside US Borders

Hey don't sweat it. They said that about the Moody Blues too. But they finally got in the hall. So, hang in there, fella.