[stokesjokes]

People don’t need to “choose a side” in politics. That’s been one of the driving forces behind so many compromising their Christian witness to excuse the President’s nastiest behavior- he’s “on their side.” It’s also why those on the left aren’t able to give any credit for any positives that came out of the administration the past 4 years.

We need more people like @thepostman , people who can engage thoughtfully and aren’t so allegiant to a political party that they can’t criticize one side or credit the other.

[paradox]

Some might interpret your position as more puritanical than thoughtful. From a practical standpoint, politicians represent your positions--not your soul. We elect them to represent us and do what we want politically. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh & Barrett would certainly weigh heavy for most of the voters you are questioning. I see it as vindication. Same with the economy, that was vindication as well. So, he has what's known as a NY-mouth...but he delivers on policy.

[thepostman]

Well I mean, I don't think puritanical describes me at all considering some of the disagreements I have had with some in here on the church.

Regardless. I 100% believe my relationship with Christ should dictate my political views which often causes me to fall on the left with some issues and on the right in others. If that makes me puritanical in the eyes of some on here. So be it. I'm at 100% peace over that.

[stokesjokes]

Not sure where you got that from my post. All I’m saying is that being able to be critical, even of the people you voted for, is a good thing. Or being able to credit those you didn’t.

What I’ve seen over and over again from Christians the past 4 years is excusing and dismissing nasty behavior. I don’t care if you voted for him because of policies, you and I obviously see political ethics differently. But on here, on Facebook, and in real life, so many Christians refuse to hold the President to any kind of ethical standard. Just because you voted for him or because he is on your side doesn’t make him above reproach.

AND on the other side, so many cannot give any sort of credit to the President because they didn’t vote for him or don’t like him.

Doing these things is not “fence-sitting.” Doing these things is thoughtful engagement.

[thepostman]

Who knew giving the president credit for something he did well on would spiral into this!

[Purple Haize]

People don’t need to “choose a side” in politics. That’s been one of the driving forces behind so many compromising their Christian witness to excuse the President’s nastiest behavior- he’s “on their side.” It’s also why those on the left aren’t able to give any credit for any positives that came out of the administration the past 4 years.

We need more people like @thepostman , people who can engage thoughtfully and aren’t so allegiant to a political party that they can’t criticize one side or credit the other.

Great. Now there will be no living with him

[thepostman]

My guess is that he is one of the silent double-secret Trump voters anyhow...

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't fall into that category.

[paradox]

Some might interpret your position as more puritanical than thoughtful. From a practical standpoint, politicians represent your positions--not your soul. We elect them to represent us and do what we want politically. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh & Barrett would certainly weigh heavy for most of the voters you are questioning. I see it as vindication. Same with the economy, that was vindication as well. So, he has what's known as a NY-mouth...but he delivers on policy.

This was intended for Stokes admonishing the voting habits of other believers.

[thepostman]

People don’t need to “choose a side” in politics. That’s been one of the driving forces behind so many compromising their Christian witness to excuse the President’s nastiest behavior- he’s “on their side.” It’s also why those on the left aren’t able to give any credit for any positives that came out of the administration the past 4 years.

We need more people like @thepostman , people who can engage thoughtfully and aren’t so allegiant to a political party that they can’t criticize one side or credit the other.

Great. Now there will be no living with him

Most of you all barely can live with me anyways. So what is really the difference?

[paradox]

My guess is that he is one of the silent double-secret Trump voters anyhow...

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't fall into that category.

Ok, then double-triple secret, or something like that.

[JK37]

What I’ve seen over and over again from Christians the past 4 years is excusing and dismissing nasty behavior.

And what I’ve seen and experienced first-hand is that voting for someone is inferred as excuse and dismissal of his faults.

[stokesjokes]

What I’ve seen over and over again from Christians the past 4 years is excusing and dismissing nasty behavior.

And what I’ve seen and experienced first-hand is that voting for someone is inferred as excuse and dismissal of his faults.

Which I would agree isn’t fair.

I’m not talking about voting for Trump, I’m talking about the blind loyalty following the vote. I can understand why some Christians would come to that conclusion. Obviously I don’t agree with it, but I don’t need to.

I’m talking about the people who throw around things like “he’s a fighter” or “he’s an alpha male” or “he’s bullying the bullies” when he acts in profoundly unchristian ways.

[JK37]

I don’t know to what you are referring. He says dumb, baseless things, especially on Twitter. He’s defiant towards media, and they’re incredibly rude and bombastic to him. I think he shows restraint with them. He has said false things, some knowingly, some unknowingly.

In what ways has he acted that were “profoundly unchristian”, and that the Church was seen as defending those actions?

[stokesjokes]

You just mentioned plenty of examples. I didn’t say the church, I’m talking about some Christians. It doesn’t seem like you’re in that category. Unfortunately plenty of others are. Just scroll through your Facebook feed or read through some of these threads on here.

[JK37]

If saying dumb, baseless and untrue things - sometimes knowingly and sometimes unknowingly - is “profoundly unchristian”...well, me too.

I do not have Facebook, not Twitter anymore. Why is it that the Left seeks out the worst amongst us and props them up as mainstream Christians?

[TH Spangler]

What I’ve seen over and over again from Christians the past 4 years is excusing and dismissing nasty behavior.

And what I’ve seen and experienced first-hand is that voting for someone is inferred as excuse and dismissal of his faults.

Which I would agree isn’t fair.

I’m not talking about voting for Trump, I’m talking about the blind loyalty following the vote. I can understand why some Christians would come to that conclusion. Obviously I don’t agree with it, but I don’t need to.

I’m talking about the people who throw around things like “he’s a fighter” or “he’s an alpha male” or “he’s bullying the bullies” when he acts in profoundly unchristian ways.

Foxy libs have you hood winked. As a Christian are you for your tax dollars going to plan parenthood. Do you like cake bakers being put out of business for being true to their faith. Do you value your first and second amendment rights. Do you vote for a party that boos God. Do you support a party that's bankrolled by an atheist. Thank God for men willing standup to them.

[thepostman]

TH, brother. Planned Parenthood is receiving more money now then they did 4 years ago.

You've gotta stop making that your go to move.

SOURCE

[stokesjokes]

I could go further down the unchristian rabbit hole, but the game’s on and I don’t want to research too hard

You’re a smart man for being off Facebook and Twitter, not a lot of good comes from those places.

I can’t speak for the Left, but I know why the media props up the worst of us. Hot takes sell ads, basically. No one wants to hear a nuanced opinion, they want controversy and outrage because it sells. Why do you think Jerry was always asked on?

[stokesjokes]

@TH Spangler

You gotta stop talking about “the libs”. No one here is talking about the libs. We’re talking about Christians, such as yourself, holding the leaders you support accountable.

[thepostman]

Also, who is booing God? Nobody in the mainstream Democrat and Republican parties are doing such things.

[jbock13]

Also, who is booing God? Nobody in the mainstream Democrat and Republican parties are doing such things.

I think he’s referring to the 2008 or 2012 DNC when they wanted to insert Jerusalem or God into the DNC platform. It is actually a thing that happened. Although, as you can guess, I don’t take it as far as TH takes it.

[thepostman]

Ahhh yeah, I remember that now.

But that was far from the mainstream part of the party.

The far left portion of the party us crazy. No doubt about that. Obama was very much against that and so were the majority of the party.

[TH Spangler]

TH, brother. Planned Parenthood is receiving more money now then they did 4 years ago.

You've gotta stop making that your go to move.

SOURCE

Dems lost their minds over the last three supreme court justices? I wonder why

[TH Spangler]

Also, who is booing God? Nobody in the mainstream Democrat and Republican parties are doing such things.

[thepostman]

Yeah, I forgot about that and addressed it. So no need go address it again.

I still don't don't get why you keep bringing up Planned Parenthood funding. That has been a huge misstep by the Trump administration and yet you continue to bring it up.