[TH Spangler]

Did any of you guys listen to the Eric Metaxas v. David French debate? I thought it was really good.

One of the points French made was that if you want the Republican Party to nominate someone “better” than Trump, you have to be willing to lose an election. If you vote for him and he wins, there’s no accountability for him as a candidate, and someone with the same temperament and failings could just as easily be endorsed in the next go-around. If you nominate Trump and he loses, the party has to re-think who they are willing to put forward.

Spangler, your post made me think of that.

Unfortunately due to the democrats far left agenda they would pack the court, add 2 states and you would have one party, Calif style rule for good. Can't afford to lose an election or you'll never win another one.

But you know how I see it, God puts them up and takes them down. His way of moving His prophetic time line along. Based on what I read in scripture America will probably never be great again. Put your faith in Christ and don't sweat it

[stokesjokes]

That was tried and has failed. Take a look at Mitt Romney. A complete 180 of Trump. Or McCain. Or countless other Republican politicians who have unilaterally disarmed.
If you are in a contest you play by the rules the other side does. I didn’t like the fact W never fought back against his critics. I LIKE the fact that Trump does. It’s a shotgun approach for sure but I’ll take what I can get.
If we were talking about process or procedures as opposed to Personality than I might agree with you (it’s why I’m up in the air on the VA5). The “Lose to Win” mentality has never turned out well

Yeah, I mean less about personality, more about process. Look at the Romney to Trump transition. The voters said they didn't want someone like Romney, and, next cycle, you have someone who is his polar opposite. I think if republicans truly want someone with a different personality or values than Trump, they would have to be willing to lose.

[stokesjokes]

Did any of you guys listen to the Eric Metaxas v. David French debate? I thought it was really good.

One of the points French made was that if you want the Republican Party to nominate someone “better” than Trump, you have to be willing to lose an election. If you vote for him and he wins, there’s no accountability for him as a candidate, and someone with the same temperament and failings could just as easily be endorsed in the next go-around. If you nominate Trump and he loses, the party has to re-think who they are willing to put forward.

Spangler, your post made me think of that.

Unfortunately due to the democrats far left agenda they would pack the court, add 2 states and you would have one party, Calif style rule for good. Can't afford to lose an election or you'll never win another one.

But you know how I see it, God puts them up and takes them down. His way of moving His prophetic time line along. Based on what I read in scripture America will probably never be great again. Put your faith in Christ and don't sweat it

Packing the court is too short-sighted, I don't see it ever happening. All that would do is make the Republicans add more justices the next time they can.

And I don't think you will ever need to worry about one party dominating in the way you suggest. That's just not how the system works. The republican party would adjust accordingly to incorporate more voters. It probably wouldn't look like it does now, but it doesn't even look like it did during the last republican administration.

And lastly, I wholeheartedly agree with the last statement

[Purple Haize]

@stokesjokes that’s my point. The Lose To Win mentality has not worked. Even in winning Republicans have been trying to lose. The overlooked thing Trump has done to the Republican Party is show them the importance of actually winning

[stokesjokes]

Can you explain more what you mean by “even in winning they have been trying to lose”? I’m not sure I understand.

[Purple Haize]

Can you explain more what you mean by “even in winning they have been trying to lose”? I’m not sure I understand.

In 2016 the Republicans had the House Senate and WH. Instead of working as a Team to achieve their goals they were too busy wringing their hands and distancing themselves from Trump. All but apologizing for the fact that such a crude crass man could have won. They lost the House and nearly lost the Senate. Instead of pointing out where they can work with Trump Policy wise you have a whole new category of folks Never Trumpers. Those people certainly aren’t going to win anything. So even if Republicans win those folks won’t be happy. And if they lose, what did they really win?
The Republican Establishment has been trying to derail the Trump Presidency from the start. It’s why I have said that he is what a 3rd Party Candidate would look like. Both sides are out to get him. He’s a Populist at this point and if he wins that will be why. And the fact that he is popular and has won is tough to stomach (unfortunately) for many in the Republican leadership

[TH Spangler]

Can you explain more what you mean by “even in winning they have been trying to lose”? I’m not sure I understand.

The Republican Establishment has been trying to derail the Trump Presidency from the start. It’s why I have said that he is what a 3rd Party Candidate would look like. Both sides are out to get him. He’s a Populist at this point and if he wins that will be why. And the fact that he is popular and has won is tough to stomach (unfortunately) for many in the Republican leadership

The swamp knows no party. It's members are all about buying and selling US policy for cash, personal gain. The swamp consist of the Washington established political class, multinational corporations and now the multinational media. It's a very corrupt, wealthy bunch. Trump has rocked the boat

[thepostman]

With a whole new version of corruption!

[stokesjokes]

Can you explain more what you mean by “even in winning they have been trying to lose”? I’m not sure I understand.

In 2016 the Republicans had the House Senate and WH. Instead of working as a Team to achieve their goals they were too busy wringing their hands and distancing themselves from Trump. All but apologizing for the fact that such a crude crass man could have won. They lost the House and nearly lost the Senate. Instead of pointing out where they can work with Trump Policy wise you have a whole new category of folks Never Trumpers. Those people certainly aren’t going to win anything. So even if Republicans win those folks won’t be happy. And if they lose, what did they really win?
The Republican Establishment has been trying to derail the Trump Presidency from the start. It’s why I have said that he is what a 3rd Party Candidate would look like. Both sides are out to get him. He’s a Populist at this point and if he wins that will be why. And the fact that he is popular and has won is tough to stomach (unfortunately) for many in the Republican leadership

Thanks for explaining!

[chris leedlelee]

Surprised I didn't see this being discussed here already. What is even crazier than emails confirming Hunter Biden was paid to set up meetings with his father on behalf of his Ukrainian oil company and pictures of him with a crack pipe, was social media's censorship of it. Both Facebook and Twitter immediately reduced distribution of the story and accounts ranging from the White House Press Secretary to the Official Trump Campaign Twitter account were locked. Social media censorship is the issue of our era. Unfortunately the boomer republicans just don't get it.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-re ... nese-firm/

[Jonathan Carone]

The problem is there are tons of holes in that story. The censorship is an issue. Our political climate believing a story in a tabloid without critical thinking is an issue too. The amount of misinformation being published and shared - on both sides - is incredibly dangerous.

[TH Spangler]

The problem is there are tons of holes in that story. The censorship is an issue. Our political climate believing a story in a tabloid without critical thinking is an issue too. The amount of misinformation being published and shared - on both sides - is incredibly dangerous.

We'll revisit this post in a week or two. Much more to come.

[thepostman]

I have seen it said that if this was a Don Jr story the media would be jumping all over it. There is truth to that statement.

With that said there is a ton of Metadata embedded in these "emails" that make them extremely suspect.

People are quick to believe stories like this if it helps them justify their poltical stance.

Then there is this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

I know the post gets thrown out quickly around these parts but these are certinaly tactics right out of the Russian playbook. Unlike the belief of some, I dont think Russia prefers Trump or Biden. They just know stories like these can help disrupt our poltical process and cause even more division.

It is working.

[chris leedlelee]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

There were reciepts and everything. Do you think alternatively, that you and other people here who put far too much trust in our corporate media, are the victims of disinformation? Why else would all social media companies mobilize to censor this information CCP style.

Do you think photos of Hunter Biden with a crackpipe are "Russian disinformation", even Biden hasn't denied the allegations. Of course the corporate press rushes to cover for the DNC. That article didn't even come close to disputing the claims laid out in the article.

Literally the Steele dossier was the fabrication of Hilary Clinton, (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... a_fbi.html#!). The media ran with that story for two years straight. You guys really have no clue how propaganda has worked throughout every totalitarian regime, do you...
Here is another one:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/2 ... doj-421536

[rtb72]

Intriguing poll dialogue tonight. My wife and I went to early vote (1st day in NC). We had a three, yes THREE HOUR wait. Anyway, five young Elon University girls were behind us. My wife, struck up a conversation with them and they asked her about the GOP voting guide she had in her hand; they didn't know what it was, just saw candidate names. She told them what it was and that we typically use it for judges mainly. Well, they asked for one. As we stayed with them for three hours...we talked to them here and there, but the conversations they were having among themselves was amazing. Keep in mind...they were Elon kids, and first time voters. All five were, based on my eaves dropping ability, voting for Trump/Pence ticket. I guess I shouldn't assume things about Elon kids, nor do I insist this is some huge wave about to happen, but it was five new votes from kids I would not generally position in the Trump/Pence camp. My wife and I continued talking to them, and gleaned their families have apparently had quite a bit of influence on them for this election, and are not as "nontypical" as we might have thought for their generation. Anyway, i wanted to share, because to me...living in this area...it really hit me in the face with my stereotypes of kids at Elon. It was also encouraging to see five young first time voters stand in line for 3 hours to vote, and do so with what appeared to be some degree of discernment based on their conversations.

[thepostman]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

There were reciepts and everything. Do you think alternatively, that you and other people here who put far too much trust in our corporate media, are the victims of disinformation? Why else would all social media companies mobilize to censor this information CCP style.

Do you think photos of Hunter Biden with a crackpipe are "Russian disinformation", even Biden hasn't denied the allegations. Of course the corporate press rushes to cover for the DNC. That article didn't even come close to disputing the claims laid out in the article.

Literally the Steele dossier was the fabrication of Hilary Clinton, (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... a_fbi.html#!). The media ran with that story for two years straight. You guys really have no clue how propaganda has worked throughout every totalitarian regime, do you...
Here is another one:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/2 ... doj-421536

Yes. Every person here, in some way, has been influenced by misinformation. I would be a fool to think I am somehow immune to that.

[TH Spangler]

I have seen it said that if this was a Don Jr story the media would be jumping all over it. There is truth to that statement.

With that said there is a ton of Metadata embedded in these "emails" that make them extremely suspect.

People are quick to believe stories like this if it helps them justify their poltical stance.

Then there is this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

I know the post gets thrown out quickly around these parts but these are certinaly tactics right out of the Russian playbook. Unlike the belief of some, I dont think Russia prefers Trump or Biden. They just know stories like these can help disrupt our poltical process and cause even more division.

It is working.

The China handbook worries me more than Russia's.

[TH Spangler]

For many female voters, Sen. Kamala Harris is a compelling candidate for vice president. For evangelical women, who are more likely to scrutinize her policy ideas than her fashion choices, however, the prospect of the junior senator from California becoming one heartbeat away from the presidency sounds an alarm.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/wh ... ian-women/

[chris leedlelee]

Still have doubts on the veracity of the Hunter Biden saga?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ialnetwork

[Jonathan Carone]

Still have doubts on the veracity of the Hunter Biden saga?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ialnetwork

Yes. Because this is entirely based on a random computer repairman and Rudy Guliani. From what I’ve seen, it hasn’t been corroborated by a second source.

With Hillary’s emails, we had multiple reputable sources. We don’t have that here so yes, I will remain skeptical.

[TH Spangler]

Still have doubts on the veracity of the Hunter Biden saga?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ialnetwork

Yes. Because this is entirely based on a random computer repairman and Rudy Guliani. From what I’ve seen, it hasn’t been corroborated by a second source.

With Hillary’s emails, we had multiple reputable sources. We don’t have that here so yes, I will remain skeptical.

I hope the NY post doesn't have release all the porn selfies to prove the laptop is legitimate.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I'm not saying these independent fact-checkers are right or have an agenda, but I am saying that we could post an article about the reliability of the Scriptures or the fact that Jesus is who He said He was and these independent fact-checkers would say there are problems with these articles in regards to accuracy. All I am saying is we need to be careful about putting our trust in these fact-checkers. I read an article from some doctors who had done test after test and research upon research and found that lockdowns are basically foolish. Then fact-checkers said not accurate. It just makes you wonder.

Regardless of the Hunter Biden mess, what are you guys thoughts on how this election will pan out?

[thepostman]

None of this will matter and Trump will win because he has a loyal base and Biden does not. This stuff with Trump’s taxes and Hunter's mess will fade away for the most part.

My tune has gone unchanged on that this entire cycle. Despite what my own personal feelings may or may not be.

[RubberMallet]

yeah i think loyalty is the biggest thing in all of this. polling can't capture that in a X vs Y deal. these polling #'s are likely to hurt biden too. people have short memories. by all accounts Biden has this in the bag and I've got a ton of stuff to do.

[stokesjokes]

I see a Biden win. The polling suggests it, and enough people are passionately anti-Trump to balance out the lack of loyalty to Biden specifically. Biden will win and the sky will not fall, that's my prediction.