[flameshaw]

With all due respect, why are you guys so thin-skinned about politics. Every University engages in questions related to this subject. It's unavoidable because it's reality. Nobody said that it was the only reality. But you do have to live in the world.

TDS is alive and well here. There is nothing more political in this country, than the public university and skool systems. The biggest problem with people here, isn't really that we are involved in the political system. They just don't like the side of the political system that Jr. was invested in. If we were equally invested in the social justice and liberal slant of things, they would be all in. Especially if the libs were to cancel their student loan obligations.

[thepostman]

I don't hold a degree from those Universities so I'm not invested in how they conduct their business. I certinaly hold the belief that poltics have bled into the education system in ways I'm not comfortable with.

The other stuff in your statement @flameshaw I've discussed ad nauseam on here so I'll assume it wasn't targeted at me since I've addressed these things over and over again.

I don't necessarily want the libs to pay of my student loans but if you're offering to pay them off @flameshaw I'll listen

[Jonathan Carone]

I've said over and over that while I disagree with Jr's politics, he has every right to have them. I'd just rather the president of the University actually represent Jesus first and conduct themselves in a way that would line up with the Gospel. There's so much room to disagree politically that I'm 100% okay disagreeing there. But Jesus has to come first.

[Purple Haize]

It’s so bizarre and telling that every reply to my post about Biblical social justice was about liberal politics.

Some of you are so obsessed with the “liberals” being wrong that you’re willing to ignore Biblical mandates. Yes, some take social justice principles too far. Yes, it’s a fair debate to ask what the government‘s role is in seeking justice. But some of you are so obsessed with throwing out “liberal” bath-water that you’re willing to throw all the babies out too.

Barna research just came out with a study showing that, in the last couple of years, white Christians are caring less and less about racial injustice and increasingly denying it as a problem. This should shock and upset you. When we stop caring about justice for our brothers and sisters, we have lost the gospel.

I did not bring politics into it

Sorry, I missed that. I was a little worked up

No worries. I specifically tried to keep politics out of it. Simply because that’s a huge difference between Biblical and Social Justice.

[stokesjokes]

With all due respect, why are you guys so thin-skinned about politics. Every University engages in questions related to this subject. It's unavoidable because it's reality. Nobody said that it was the only reality. But you do have to live in the world.

TDS is alive and well here. There is nothing more political in this country, than the public university and skool systems. The biggest problem with people here, isn't really that we are involved in the political system. They just don't like the side of the political system that Jr. was invested in. If we were equally invested in the social justice and liberal slant of things, they would be all in. Especially if the libs were to cancel their student loan obligations.

It's not about disliking the side of the political system that Jr was invested in, it's that Jr's theology was formed by his politics instead of having his politics formed by theology. He became more focused on emulating Trump than on emulating Jesus.

Skye Jethani frequently talks about how the problem with the church in America isn't that it's too political, it's that it isn't political enough (he also emphasizes the distinction between partisan and political). Pastors are afraid to speak to political issues, so most lay Christians are being more spiritually and politically formed by highly partisan news sources than they are by those tasked with shepherding them to be more like Jesus.

[jbock13]

Pastors aren’t political enough? I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.

[Purple Haize]

Pastors aren’t political enough? I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.

The less political the better.

[stokesjokes]

I think I need to couch that statement a little better. Pastors absolutely should not be inserting themselves into the political process. They shouldn't be endorsing candidates or campaigning for anybody. I'm not talking about being like Robert Jeffress or Al Sharpton.

Pastors should be speaking to the modern issues of the day, which are going to be inherently political. Pastors should be helping their flock consider these issues from a Biblical framework instead of letting Breitbart or Vanity Fair be the ones who inform how they engage in these issues.

[Jonathan Carone]

Pastors aren’t political enough? I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.

We need pastors to be speaking into the issues at God’s heart so the people they lead can have the biblical theology needed to go into the political process. The problem is doing that will tick off both sides.

[Jonathan Carone]

This series of tweets, and the responses to it, explain exactly why pastors don't speak into things more often.

[flameshaw]

This series of tweets, and the responses to it, explain exactly why pastors don't speak into things more often.

My opinion of course, but if I read this correctly, it is a bunch of . Paul's writings constantly address the strain/hate between the Jews and Gentiles. Paul did encourage them to get along. However to say that one of the tenets of the early Church was multi-racial and multi-cultural society, is fantasy.

[flameshaw]

With all due respect, why are you guys so thin-skinned about politics. Every University engages in questions related to this subject. It's unavoidable because it's reality. Nobody said that it was the only reality. But you do have to live in the world.

TDS is alive and well here. There is nothing more political in this country, than the public university and skool systems. The biggest problem with people here, isn't really that we are involved in the political system. They just don't like the side of the political system that Jr. was invested in. If we were equally invested in the social justice and liberal slant of things, they would be all in. Especially if the libs were to cancel their student loan obligations.

It's not about disliking the side of the political system that Jr was invested in, it's that Jr's theology was formed by his politics instead of having his politics formed by theology. He became more focused on emulating Trump than on emulating Jesus.

Skye Jethani frequently talks about how the problem with the church in America isn't that it's too political, it's that it isn't political enough (he also emphasizes the distinction between partisan and political). Pastors are afraid to speak to political issues, so most lay Christians are being more spiritually and politically formed by highly partisan news sources than they are by those tasked with shepherding them to be more like Jesus.

Being that Jr. has/had no theology to form his political opinions, not sure I buy into that statement. Sr and Jr both, have been in the political arena, since the inception of LU. Yes, there were some people who didn't like it back in the day. But nothing like the uproar, that exists today. No one can convince me that the only reason there is such an outcry today, is because of who the leadership has backed in the last few years. In addition, the liberalization of the entire society has played a part. All one has to do is a little research on how many skool kids think socialism is a great thing. In reality, liberalism is just socialism light.
Depending on future events, it will not affect me personally. But if we don't have a major change in our thinking, it will impact my kids and grandkids. Honestly, they are my one and only concern. My earthly journey is almost done.

[cruzan_flame13]

This series of tweets, and the responses to it, explain exactly why pastors don't speak into things more often.

My opinion of course, but if I read this correctly, it is a bunch of . Paul's writings constantly address the strain/hate between the Jews and Gentiles. Paul did encourage them to get along. However to say that one of the tenets of the early Church was multi-racial and multi-cultural society, is fantasy.

Exactly especially when there's only ONE race. Why are we still going with this nonsense? We can say we wait to grey away with politics all we want but the fact of the matter is that politics will not leave. Look at so many schools that were founded by Christian principles . They were infiltrated slowly and quietly with the help of politics and liok were they are now. Promoting love while their actions promote the opposite. The way that some are addressing how they hope Liberty will become, the institution will likely go down this same path. I'm not supporting Jr. And how strong his "conservative" his positions were, but if you think that we will be apolitical is a joke. This country is not the U.S.A most of you guys claim it to be. It's a big corporation and politics is a big money maker, so it will never leave. I hipe the next president and leaders will recognize this and know that they will need the Lord for this spiritual battle.

[TH Spangler]

liberalism is just socialism light. Depending on future events, it will not affect me personally. But if we don't have a major change in our thinking, it will impact my kids and grandkids. Honestly, they are my one and only concern. My earthly journey is almost done

Mine to .... Maybe we'll all leave together, pre-trib

[stokesjokes]

TDS is alive and well here. There is nothing more political in this country, than the public university and skool systems. The biggest problem with people here, isn't really that we are involved in the political system. They just don't like the side of the political system that Jr. was invested in. If we were equally invested in the social justice and liberal slant of things, they would be all in. Especially if the libs were to cancel their student loan obligations.

It's not about disliking the side of the political system that Jr was invested in, it's that Jr's theology was formed by his politics instead of having his politics formed by theology. He became more focused on emulating Trump than on emulating Jesus.

Skye Jethani frequently talks about how the problem with the church in America isn't that it's too political, it's that it isn't political enough (he also emphasizes the distinction between partisan and political). Pastors are afraid to speak to political issues, so most lay Christians are being more spiritually and politically formed by highly partisan news sources than they are by those tasked with shepherding them to be more like Jesus.

Being that Jr. has/had no theology to form his political opinions, not sure I buy into that statement. Sr and Jr both, have been in the political arena, since the inception of LU. Yes, there were some people who didn't like it back in the day. But nothing like the uproar, that exists today. No one can convince me that the only reason there is such an outcry today, is because of who the leadership has backed in the last few years. In addition, the liberalization of the entire society has played a part. All one has to do is a little research on how many skool kids think socialism is a great thing. In reality, liberalism is just socialism light.
Depending on future events, it will not affect me personally. But if we don't have a major change in our thinking, it will impact my kids and grandkids. Honestly, they are my one and only concern. My earthly journey is almost done.

Sure, if you want to take it far enough, any kind of government program is "socialism light." Libraries are socialism light. Public schools, same. I could give a million examples. Kids growing up today aren't growing up in the lens of the cold war, where socialist states were doing bad things and where American propaganda was focused on making socialism into a boogeyman. Now kids grow up with examples of socialist ideas both failing and succeeding, but that's really another topic for another time.

I was being generous when I spoke of Jr's "theology," but you're proving my point. His politics aren't rooted in scripture. That's a major difference between he and his father and is part of why so many reacted strongly to his politics. And of course the outcry has to do with Jr backing Trump. For many, it was a symptom of Jr's identity being rooted in politics and power, not in Christ. Most Christians I know that voted for Trump did so begrudgingly because they felt they didn't have a choice. Jr went 10 toes in, defending the man's character, his faith, even saying there was nothing Trump could do to lose his support. That's a man who has chosen who he will serve.

[ballcoach15]

Pastors aren’t political enough? I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.

I agree, Pastors are not political enough.Public schools are mostly liberal, with liberal teachers, who should not be near a school, much less teaching the kids. With heathens holding political office, someone has to step up to the plate. Pastors are in better position than anyone, with their audience.
I had no problem with JF's political life, other than his support of Denver Riggleman over Bob Good.

[flameshaw]

It's not about disliking the side of the political system that Jr was invested in, it's that Jr's theology was formed by his politics instead of having his politics formed by theology. He became more focused on emulating Trump than on emulating Jesus.

Skye Jethani frequently talks about how the problem with the church in America isn't that it's too political, it's that it isn't political enough (he also emphasizes the distinction between partisan and political). Pastors are afraid to speak to political issues, so most lay Christians are being more spiritually and politically formed by highly partisan news sources than they are by those tasked with shepherding them to be more like Jesus.

Being that Jr. has/had no theology to form his political opinions, not sure I buy into that statement. Sr and Jr both, have been in the political arena, since the inception of LU. Yes, there were some people who didn't like it back in the day. But nothing like the uproar, that exists today. No one can convince me that the only reason there is such an outcry today, is because of who the leadership has backed in the last few years. In addition, the liberalization of the entire society has played a part. All one has to do is a little research on how many skool kids think socialism is a great thing. In reality, liberalism is just socialism light.
Depending on future events, it will not affect me personally. But if we don't have a major change in our thinking, it will impact my kids and grandkids. Honestly, they are my one and only concern. My earthly journey is almost done.

Sure, if you want to take it far enough, any kind of government program is "socialism light." Libraries are socialism light. Public schools, same. I could give a million examples. Kids growing up today aren't growing up in the lens of the cold war, where socialist states were doing bad things and where American propaganda was focused on making socialism into a boogeyman. Now kids grow up with examples of socialist ideas both failing and succeeding, but that's really another topic for another time.

I was being generous when I spoke of Jr's "theology," but you're proving my point. His politics aren't rooted in scripture. That's a major difference between he and his father and is part of why so many reacted strongly to his politics. And of course the outcry has to do with Jr backing Trump. For many, it was a symptom of Jr's identity being rooted in politics and power, not in Christ. Most Christians I know that voted for Trump did so begrudgingly because they felt they didn't have a choice. Jr went 10 toes in, defending the man's character, his faith, even saying there was nothing Trump could do to lose his support. That's a man who has chosen who he will serve.

Depending on how you define socialism, it has never succeeded. Taken to it's logical and definitive conclusion, socialism has and will never succeed. That imho, is the problem with society today. Many, many, are buying into a system that has never worked. What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome.

[jbock13]

The Gospel has always been for everyone. Nobody is saying it isn’t. I love my fellow left-leaning Christians, but they constantly make arguments against things that don’t actually exist.

[cruzan_flame13]

Being that Jr. has/had no theology to form his political opinions, not sure I buy into that statement. Sr and Jr both, have been in the political arena, since the inception of LU. Yes, there were some people who didn't like it back in the day. But nothing like the uproar, that exists today. No one can convince me that the only reason there is such an outcry today, is because of who the leadership has backed in the last few years. In addition, the liberalization of the entire society has played a part. All one has to do is a little research on how many skool kids think socialism is a great thing. In reality, liberalism is just socialism light.
Depending on future events, it will not affect me personally. But if we don't have a major change in our thinking, it will impact my kids and grandkids. Honestly, they are my one and only concern. My earthly journey is almost done.

Sure, if you want to take it far enough, any kind of government program is "socialism light." Libraries are socialism light. Public schools, same. I could give a million examples. Kids growing up today aren't growing up in the lens of the cold war, where socialist states were doing bad things and where American propaganda was focused on making socialism into a boogeyman. Now kids grow up with examples of socialist ideas both failing and succeeding, but that's really another topic for another time.

I was being generous when I spoke of Jr's "theology," but you're proving my point. His politics aren't rooted in scripture. That's a major difference between he and his father and is part of why so many reacted strongly to his politics. And of course the outcry has to do with Jr backing Trump. For many, it was a symptom of Jr's identity being rooted in politics and power, not in Christ. Most Christians I know that voted for Trump did so begrudgingly because they felt they didn't have a choice. Jr went 10 toes in, defending the man's character, his faith, even saying there was nothing Trump could do to lose his support. That's a man who has chosen who he will serve.

Depending on how you define socialism, it has never succeeded. Taken to it's logical and definitive conclusion, socialism has and will never succeed. That imho, is the problem with society today. Many, many, are buying into a system that has never worked. What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different outcome.

Socialism is just the bridge to other "isms." In reality all these ideology is just corporatocracy. Then the figureheads just play by rules (in this case our politicians). As the masses bash their heads, they lose more liberties and wealth. History doesn't repeats itself but it surely rhymes. They are already infected the religious side of things and merged it into the state (Statism). What's funny (really crazy) is that you look at all the regimes and their outcomes, and you see the concept of evolution conducted in their actions. This idea have been indoctrinated in our education, corporations, politics and economy for a century and some, so why are people surprised that we have reached to where we are now? As I stated before, our President and leaders better realize this before they easily submit to laws they think will be compromisable or that will keep us out of the "spotlight." That sure worked for the IVY League schools, TCU, Stanford, Baylor, etc (you get the point).

[Jonathan Carone]

The Gospel has always been for everyone. Nobody is saying it isn’t. I love my fellow left-leaning Christians, but they constantly make arguments against things that don’t actually exist.

Right-leaning Christians do the exact same.

[paradox]

Are we splitting hairs?

Tim Keller is not left-leaning. Same with NT Wright. They are essentially moderately conservative, just like most here. The biggest difference with them is that they are situated in a more metropolitan context.

[paradox]

The notion that collectivist social justice ideology is somehow compatible with the Judeo-Christian ethic is not sustainable.

[flameshaw]

The notion that collectivist social justice ideology is somehow compatible with the Judeo-Christian ethic is not sustainable.

Yep.

[cruzan_flame13]

The notion that collectivist social justice ideology is somehow compatible with the Judeo-Christian ethic is not sustainable.

"Envy plus rhetoric equals "social justice."

-Thomas Sowell

[stokesjokes]

Here’s an instructive write-up on the role of social justice in Christianity, as well as its history. A bit long, but worthwhile if you’re trying to look deeper than knee-jerk reactions to politicized terms.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/arti ... l-justice/