[thepostman]

Out of curiosity, what do you believe my "agenda" is?

[TH Spangler]

After reading that article your views and post over the years fall right in line with one side.

I hope Liberty gets good news tomorrow.

[thepostman]

After reading that article your views and post over the years fall right in line with one side.

I hope Liberty gets good news tomorrow.

I just am not fearful of these things. I am more concerned about getting the people in positions that will continue to fulfill the mission of training champions for Christ. Are there troubling things about the BLM movement? Absolutely there is but if you haven't done enough homework to figure out the difference between the slogan and the organization that has taken the name from the slogan then you are simply being intellectually lazy which often leads to buying into fear mongering from Chrisrian leaders not based on fact or biblical teachings.

Despite what you may think, my political views are extremely conservative in the traditional sense but somehow you and others think I am "woke". It is a huge jump to conclusion on your part and kind of comical but sad.

I, like you, just want leaders who are committed to our mission which is training Christian young people to go out into their workplaces to be a positive influence for Christ and further the kingdom. I think that can be done with Christ coming first as opposed to poltical ideologies.

[TH Spangler]

That article was insightful. Hopfully good news coming soon

[thepostman]

Glad you thought so. I tried to put some thought into my response in hopes it would turn into a better dialogue between you and I but I guess that won't be happening.

On another note, I got a letter from the President's office in the mail today and according to that the board will be meeting the end of October to agree on a search committee. That was brought up already in this thread but it just makes in pretty clear that we aren't anywhere close to this being finalized. I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin is brought in as a spiritual advisor to the board. Or it could just be a meet up to get the year off on what Prevo views as on the right foot.

[ballah09]

Having Graham involved in anything Liberty is not good news. He can’t help himself when he got all political. He’s a Jerry clone who happens to throw scripture in the mix. Just having him around just tells, alumni and students that they are not serious. Board already looks bad imagine having him.

We need an academic, spiritual person. Not another guy/girl who’s to worried about politics.

[TH Spangler]

You guys on the nonpolitical bandwagon are the most political ones here.

[ballah09]

The fact you throw around calling everyone “woke” to people who cares about our University and the spiritual well being just shows your ignorance.

I’ll never understand the politics before Christ people.

[flameshaw]

You guys on the nonpolitical bandwagon are the most political ones here.

TRUTH.

[flameshaw]

BTW, there is a better chance of the forest fires in CA being gone/out tomorrow, than FG becoming the next president of LU.

[thepostman]

You guys on the nonpolitical bandwagon are the most political ones here.

Says the guy who posted a link about Liberty being In danger of going woke.

Nothing wrong with being opinionated politically. I just think the time is right to change our focus from being so politically focused. Terms like woke are poltical terms at this point and should be the least of our worries after having a university president without a moral compass.

[paradox]

With all due respect, why are you guys so thin-skinned about politics. Every University engages in questions related to this subject. It's unavoidable because it's reality. Nobody said that it was the only reality. But you do have to live in the world.

[Jonathan Carone]

For me, it’s an issue of priorities. Under Jerry, we became a Republican university who also teaches about Jesus. Most of us want us to focus on Jesus first, academics secondary, and politics further down the list.

[Jonathan Carone]

Also - justice, equality, and how we treat people are Gospel issues before they are political issues.

[Purple Haize]

Also - justice, equality, and how we treat people are Gospel issues before they are political issues.

Biblical Justice Is not Social Justice. In this day and age you have to clarify the 2

[thepostman]

With all due respect, why are you guys so thin-skinned about politics. Every University engages in questions related to this subject. It's unavoidable because it's reality. Nobody said that it was the only reality. But you do have to live in the world.

I have no problem with poltics being discussed but I personally would like it to be less of a focus. We have become more known for our poltics than for our Christianity and I believe that is backwards.

[stokesjokes]

Social justice is absolutely a part of Biblical justice.

Caring for widows and orphans is social justice
Taking care of foreigners in your land is social justice
Feeding the hungry and giving to the poor is social justice

[ballcoach15]

With Democrats wanting to destroy the nation, every good citizen had better get involved in conservative politics, or we soon won't have a country. Democrats want our guns, defund police, limit police powers, limit equipment used by police, allow rioting and Looting , open borders, gay rights, abortions, destroy monuments, weaken military and higher taxes.
Most of these democrats are just sorry individuals. And our General Assembly is full of them, without even mentioning Washington.

[tyndal23]

Social justice is absolutely a part of Biblical justice.

Caring for widows and orphans is social justice
Taking care of foreigners in your land is social justice
Feeding the hungry and giving to the poor is social justice

And no one does it worse than the government. Especially governments that try and steer all of those responsibilities away from churches.

[TH Spangler]

Social justice is absolutely a part of Biblical justice.

Caring for widows and orphans is social justice
Taking care of foreigners in your land is social justice
Feeding the hungry and giving to the poor is social justice

And no one does it worse than the government. Especially governments that try and steer all of those responsibilities away from churches.

Like BC was saying in another post, liberal politicians don't really care about anything other than power over your rights. Like PH said, biblical justice is the real deal. Social justice is political rhetoric.

[Jonathan Carone]

Social justice is absolutely a part of Biblical justice.

Caring for widows and orphans is social justice
Taking care of foreigners in your land is social justice
Feeding the hungry and giving to the poor is social justice

And no one does it worse than the government. Especially governments that try and steer all of those responsibilities away from churches.

And that’s the debate we should be having. However, to first get there, we have to agree these are Gospel issues Champions for Christ have to care about.

Let’s be conservative in our theology, unified around the Gospel, and then able to debate the best ways to apply that theology into the world.

Instead, we’ve become a school that says you have to fall into this political box or you’re doing it wrong and aren’t welcome here.

[Purple Haize]

Social justice is absolutely a part of Biblical justice.

Caring for widows and orphans is social justice
Taking care of foreigners in your land is social justice
Feeding the hungry and giving to the poor is social justice

And who is the Bible geared towards? Christ followers or the secular Government? In Biblical Justice God becomes the arbiter and supplier of needs, not society. Not Government. Biblical justice allows for freedom and mercy. Social justice allows for everyone to be “equal”. Not just in opportunity but in outcome. And, IMO the big one, Social Justice takes the onus off the individual and places it on either a group or the Government. For example
“The Rich are evil. The poor are righteous. Therefore the Rich are not paying their fare share”.
If the Government is supplying X then I can shirk my responsibility to do it.

Yes there are elements to what Social Justice proposes that align with Biblical Justice. But the greatest deceptions are weaved with truth.

[stokesjokes]

It’s so bizarre and telling that every reply to my post about Biblical social justice was about liberal politics.

Some of you are so obsessed with the “liberals” being wrong that you’re willing to ignore Biblical mandates. Yes, some take social justice principles too far. Yes, it’s a fair debate to ask what the government‘s role is in seeking justice. But some of you are so obsessed with throwing out “liberal” bath-water that you’re willing to throw all the babies out too.

Barna research just came out with a study showing that, in the last couple of years, white Christians are caring less and less about racial injustice and increasingly denying it as a problem. This should shock and upset you. When we stop caring about justice for our brothers and sisters, we have lost the gospel.

[Purple Haize]

It’s so bizarre and telling that every reply to my post about Biblical social justice was about liberal politics.

Some of you are so obsessed with the “liberals” being wrong that you’re willing to ignore Biblical mandates. Yes, some take social justice principles too far. Yes, it’s a fair debate to ask what the government‘s role is in seeking justice. But some of you are so obsessed with throwing out “liberal” bath-water that you’re willing to throw all the babies out too.

Barna research just came out with a study showing that, in the last couple of years, white Christians are caring less and less about racial injustice and increasingly denying it as a problem. This should shock and upset you. When we stop caring about justice for our brothers and sisters, we have lost the gospel.

I did not bring politics into it

[stokesjokes]

It’s so bizarre and telling that every reply to my post about Biblical social justice was about liberal politics.

Some of you are so obsessed with the “liberals” being wrong that you’re willing to ignore Biblical mandates. Yes, some take social justice principles too far. Yes, it’s a fair debate to ask what the government‘s role is in seeking justice. But some of you are so obsessed with throwing out “liberal” bath-water that you’re willing to throw all the babies out too.

Barna research just came out with a study showing that, in the last couple of years, white Christians are caring less and less about racial injustice and increasingly denying it as a problem. This should shock and upset you. When we stop caring about justice for our brothers and sisters, we have lost the gospel.

I did not bring politics into it

Sorry, I missed that. I was a little worked up