[rhezick]

Trump's media people have already spun it as him trying to remain positive to the American people so that is how his supporters will view it too.

Woodward sat on this info for months until his book was ready which is pretty appalling if you ask me.

Either way, there is a fine line between fear mongering (which the media loves) and being realistic with the American people. Trump couldn't even be realistic with the American people and purposely downplayed it for poltical reasons.

But at the end of the day the media hasn't stopped being critical of Trump so this will just get lost in the noise.

Yea I totally agree about him sitting on it. Although, even if he pushed it out, wouldn't it be treated like anything else and viewed false? Like you've mentioned before it just seems all cyclical. The right says "the media is mean and they're the enemy of the people" and the press says "everything he does is bad!" So I guess discussing this is all pointless. Everyone go sit in there corner and wait until the election. Just not Jerry's corner.

[stokesjokes]

You have to be a special kind of moron to run your mouth to Bob Woodward after you’ve already had an impeachment trial. (I do think the reports I’ve read today are blowing these interviews out of proportion)

[Purple Haize]

Has it been 72 hours yet? I usually wait 72 hours before commenting so that the hysteria dies down and ZOMG factor from Trump haters dissipate
I only caught about 20 minutes of reading etc on this so far so here are my early reads, let’s see how it plays out
1 - Heard the tape snippet. It’s a pretty honest assessment from Trump at that time. I recall medical missionary friends of mine in Asia telling me that this is going to be bad. “You have no idea what’s coming”. That’s was late January early February These same people were not nearly as Apocalyptic when the Rona hit Europe. Not sure what happened
2 - I saw a Fauci quote saying he never heard or saw any discrepancy between what they talked about in Private and what a TruMp said in public statements. Not sure the time frame there but I think it’s important. What we knew about the Rona (even what we called it changed daily) Hearing what Birx and Fauci say will be interesting
3 - Woodward has to sell books. He knows how to do that. This is a great way to do that. Not sure why politicians still talk to him
4 - I’m ok with Trump “minimizing” the risks. He puts a positive spin on it. I’m ok with that. What would they have him say ? We are all gonna die? It’s one of the rolls of a Leader to keep people upbeat and positive. He did that. The counter would be “he needed to be realistic “. That’s fair. But what would you have him say? Look at how he got ripped in the press for what actions he DID take. Look at the doom and gloom the press has and still is taking. Trump is a person who deals in being positive. I’m ok with that
5 - Woodward inadvertently delegitimizes Fauci and Birx. They were there with Trump. If they had serious objections they should have left. They didn’t. That tells me they were ok with how Trump was handling it
6. This apparently made a splash. But it comes on the heels of another salacious report that has been discredited in the Atlantic. Had THIS come first, I think it would have been a bigger hit on Trump.

At the end of the day, if you’re gonna criticize someone and you don’t have a better solution, I’m gonna tune you out. Maybe it’s being a coach for up Trenton years and I’ve seen my fill of Arm Chair quarterbacks.

*****Addendum******. I’m actually a little more concerned about the Mattis quotes. I’d like some clarification around them and what he meant

[thepostman]

I've been saying since day one that the media has been going over board and Trump has under sold it. No arm chair QB action going on here.

[Purple Haize]

I've been saying since day one that the media has been going over board and Trump has under sold it. No arm chair QB action going on here.

Considering who you work for “chair” is inherent

BUT you aren’t giving specifics. Of course you aren’t criticizing. You’re “just saying”.

[stokesjokes]

I just don’t get why you give these off-the-cuff interviews to the guy who is legendary for taking down a president

[Purple Haize]

I just don’t get why you give these off-the-cuff interviews to the guy who is legendary for taking down a president

He’s legendary for making the person he writes about look bad. I’m with you on this one

[thepostman]

Doesn't speak well for his judgment but according to his press secretary it is because he is the most transparent president in history which is comical but we live in weird times.

[Purple Haize]

Doesn't speak well for his judgment but according to his press secretary it is because he is the most transparent president in history which is comical but we live in weird times.

Well look at the list of people who have sat down with him or had books written by him about them. Apparently it’s a rite of passage for Presidents and DC Big Wigs

[stokesjokes]

Doesn't speak well for his judgment but according to his press secretary it is because he is the most transparent president in history which is comical but we live in weird times.

His Press Secretary isn’t wrong. Have you seen his twitter?

[thepostman]

he is the most talkative president. Does not mean he is transparent.

[stokesjokes]

Well, he’s certainly never tried to hide the type of person he is

[Jonathan Carone]

Hard to be the most transparent president ever when you’re the first in 40 years not to release your taxes.

[Purple Haize]

Hard to be the most transparent president ever when you’re the first in 40 years not to release your taxes.

The last President didn’t release his grades or school records. Went to great lengths to have them sealed. He also nominated people to run Departments that had not paid taxes. We at least know Trump paid taxes. At what rate we don’t know. If you are looking to see the money Russia gave him for being a spy I’m not sure that’s on a W2.
Fun fact. Trump will most likely be the only President has a lower net worth AFTER being President. Politicians have a way of making millions while in office......

[Jonathan Carone]

I love how when you point out a hypocrisy of Trump, the go-to pivot is to shift attention to Obama.

[Purple Haize]

I love how when you point out a hypocrisy of Trump, the go-to pivot is to shift attention to Obama.

Just showing precedent. And I did more than bring up Obama.
If “but his tax returns” is all his detractors have then they are desperate.
I want to know if the person running for office paid taxes. He did. I’m fine with it.

[Jonathan Carone]

I was speaking to a specific claim (he’s the most transparent president ever). That’s an incorrect statement. I really don’t care much if he released them or not. They wouldn’t change my opinion of him.

[Purple Haize]

I was speaking to a specific claim (he’s the most transparent president ever). That’s an incorrect statement. I really don’t care much if he released them or not. They wouldn’t change my opinion of him.

Fair. I’m pretty sure EVERY President says they are the most transparent ever. I agree with @thepostman he’s certainly the most talkative

[thepostman]

Just showing precedent. And I did more than bring up Obama.
If “but his tax returns” is all his detractors have then they are desperate.
I want to know if the person running for office paid taxes. He did. I’m fine with it.

That is far from the only thing his detractors have but there is absolutely zero point in bringing them up here again. We have covered it in this thread and the original thread ad nauseam. Trump said it himself 4 years ago, he could shoot someone in the middle of fhe street in NYC and his supporters would still support him. That was obviously hyperbole but there is a kind of loyalty with his supporters that can't be found with many polticians. For better or for worse. Which is why Trump will win re-election.

[RubberMallet]

while not truly a swamp drainer, Trump has been every bit the disrupter many had hoped he would be. and the expected reaction of rank and file political do nothings was exactly as its turned out. wave and wave and wave of allegations and publicizing secret conversations, etc. This played out exactly like I think many thought it would and I think that is why it typically hardly phases his supporters.

If trump wins expect another 4 years of this. not for the sake of getting rid of trump but to try and reign this all back in

[Purple Haize]

Not sure I’m glad to see this guy back in the news. But he always seemed smarmy

https://saraacarter.com/byron-york-lt-c ... stigation/

[thepostman]

I hate poltical memes but this made me laugh, plus it sums up this thread and the old one in one image!

[TH Spangler]

How about Biden saying he's going to bring back all the jobs he offshore the past 25 years the first day he's potus.

[thepostman]

This isnt the Biden thread.

[TH Spangler]

This isnt the Biden thread.

They're all same