[stokesjokes]

100%. It's laughable to think the people spearheading the decision to investigate Jerry are the same people who also justify voting for a womanizer-in-chief as a Christian thing to do.

I do hope for something positive out of the investigation, but I am ye of little faith.

What does investigating Junior have to do with voting for Trump? The confluence of the 2 is maddening. That’s from both sides. I have equal disdain for those who question my Christianity for voting for Trump and for those who question others Christianity for not voting for Trump.

It has everything to do with Trump according to Save71.

Speaking of Save71, crickets after I postured they are being mentored by Russell Moore/SBC old guard. Difficult to believe a few guys can get widespread access and coverage by “Christian” media without powerful help.

We had David Platt for convo, when do you think Dr. Moore gets invited?

[thepostman]

Oh man, that would really put everybody up in arms and I would sit back and enjoy every second.

I have said that I am not a huge fan of Save71's use of the endorsement of Trump as one of the talking points of their platform BUT there is no way around mentioning it. Jr made statements making Trump sound like the model Christian who is modeling the great commision which was just insanity. He did back off from saying those kinds of things, but the truth is he said them.

But, if you think the Save71 is all about Trump/Jr, then you are just being disingenuous. There is more about what they are doing that I agree with than I don't.

So yes, do I wish they'd leave Trump out of it? Of course I do! Do I think they make a lot of great points that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump? Absolutely! Mainly the fact that they think the entire leadership structure needs to be blown up and we need to start over.

That won't happen so I am just hoping that whatever the next steps are, they will be good ones that at least help us become the University I think we all want to be.

[bluedevilflame]

Regardless of individual opinion on Save71, fact of the matter is we need more student/alumni engagement in order to turn this ship around. I welcome their efforts and any efforts who's heart is in the right place and goal is to drive LU back towards its true mission to train champions for Christ.

[gerb]

My point is that Save71 is likely being advised/backed/promoted by LU outsiders that are seeking to end LU’s independence and to carry out their own agendas. (Eg SBC’s radical race theory and everything is an idol agenda - country, family, culture, etc.) Doc wouldn’t bend the knee to the SBC and for good reason. Unfortunately Jr horrendous behavior is muddying the waters. Make no mistake, LU is one of the largest and most influential Christian organizations in the world and there are many seeking to take control. It’s arguably a crown jewel that many are eying. This next year will be a pivotal year for the schools future direction more any time in its history.

My question is if the entire board is terminated, who appoints the new board if it’s not TRBC? Alumni? Regardless it seems that decision is up to TRBC board per LU bylaws.

[gerb]

Gerb is into that, not Dr. Moore.

Oh I see how this works.

Plus you know almost nothing about me, who I am or what my views are based. But I’ll give you a little insight.

I was a covenant member of Matt Chandlers Village Church from 2011 - 2016 and got
closer than most to “the inner circle”. I got a front row seat how these guys craft a message designed to manipulate a trusting body of Christ, and skillfully roll it out. Moehler, Moore, etc. once you learn to recognize it, you’ll see it everywhere. Speaking circuit, book deals, conferences. It’s disgusting.

Not sure what this has to do the Q stuff that came on the scene in 2017.

[ballcoach15]

If TRBC appointed a new board, I'm afraid it would be mostly a bunch of "youngsters " on it.

But I don't think a new board will happen. There may be a couple deflections, but that's about all.

[Jonathan Carone]

@gerb - I do not know you. My comment was based on your post about the Catholic Church being satanic and other things that resembled QAnon rhetoric.

[Purple Haize]

If TRBC appointed a new board, I'm afraid it would be mostly a bunch of "youngsters " on it.

But I don't think a new board will happen. There may be a couple deflections, but that's about all.

You’re great at deflection!

So what should the age requirements be to be on the BoT?

[thepostman]

What makes one a youngster? Under 60?

[Calum]

It has everything to do with Trump according to Save71.

Speaking of Save71, crickets after I postured they are being mentored by Russell Moore/SBC old guard. Difficult to believe a few guys can get widespread access and coverage by “Christian” media without powerful help.

Sorry, I didn't think you were serious initially, so I didn't respond to it before! We are not being mentored by Russell Moore or the "SBC old guard." I'm not even quite sure who the members of that last group are, but I can assure you that we definitely aren't taking directions from them or any other cabal.

Regarding the Trump stuff: I voted for Trump in 2016 and I'm still a co-founder of Save71, so we're definitely not excluding people that voted for Trump, nor is Trump a main part of Save71's messaging. In fact, I'm pretty confident that we haven't really mentioned Trump aside from the few places on our timeline. Trump is on the timeline to demonstrate a pattern of self-serving behavior and twisted Scriptural interpretations from Jerry Falwell Jr., not to label pro-Trump members of the Liberty community as part of the problem. This isn't about Trump. You can always check out our website or social media for more clarification on our vision, because we're not hiding any of it.

We get access to the media because the media seek us out; that's how news reporting works. The media seeks us out for a variety of reasons, some of which include: the sheer quantity of information that we pulled together on our website, the uniqueness of an alumni group opposing Falwell's leadership, and (hopefully) the quality and force of the things we say.

The only thing I've pitched to the media is an op-ed I personally wrote in the Bulwark. It's a completely normal process to pitch op-eds to editors.

...if you think the Save71 is all about Trump/Jr, then you are just being disingenuous. There is more about what they are doing that I agree with than I don't.

So yes, do I wish they'd leave Trump out of it? Of course I do! Do I think they make a lot of great points that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump? Absolutely! Mainly the fact that they think the entire leadership structure needs to be blown up and we need to start over.

This post is really well-worded. Thanks postman; I appreciate the mix of approval and disagreement.

It seems that to some, the mere existence of Trump on our timeline implies that Trump is a focal point of the timeline and of Save71's advocacy. That's not the case. Postman has the most nuanced critical view, I think: Preferring that Trump not be present on the timeline, but understanding that the timeline is not mainly about Trump in the first place.

Save71 sees Falwell's relationship with Trump as a vital piece in interpreting Falwell's last few years of behavior, so that's why Trump makes a few appearances on the timeline.

Regardless of individual opinion on Save71, fact of the matter is we need more student/alumni engagement in order to turn this ship around. I welcome their efforts and any efforts who's heart is in the right place and goal is to drive LU back towards its true mission to train champions for Christ.

Yes, we absolutely need more student/alumni engagement, both in the movement for advocacy now and in the school's culture itself after things settle down.

My point is that Save71 is likely being advised/backed/promoted by LU outsiders that are seeking to end LU’s independence and to carry out their own agendas.

No, this is not true. This is an attempt to delegitimize the things we're saying, not actually engage with them.

[bluedevilflame]

Maybe we do need some youngsters, clearly the generation that has been at the helm has run LU's reputation into the ground.

[Jonathan Carone]

We need both.

[puttincomputers]

Boom! Called it!

In his book, Cohen writes that he had become close to the Falwells in 2011, once securing tickets for one of their daughters to see Justin Bieber perform. He calls the Falwells “dear friends, more like family to me.”

But he also makes clear that, as in the smaller assistance in securing the Bieber tickets, he saw the help he offered the Falwells in the photo matter as transactional — and enormously significant.

“Like the Bieber favor a few years earlier, this would have a huge impact on the 2016 election, evangelicals, the Supreme Court and the fate of the nation,” Cohen writes.

“If Becki Falwell was seen half-naked by the students of Liberty University, let alone evangelicals all over the country, it would be an unmitigated disaster,” he writes.

After succeeding at keeping the photos from being released, Cohen writes that he “called Becki and reassured her that the pictures wouldn’t get out, but I could hear the fear and sadness in her voice. I reassured her I wouldn’t let her down, and I didn’t.”

“There it was: my second chit with the Falwells,” he writes. “In good time, I would call in this favor, not for me, but for the Boss, at a crucial moment on his journey to the presidency.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN25Z2S0

[ballcoach15]

Justin Bieber ? She should have gone to TRBC to hear the choir sing.

[Purple Haize]

You’re as bad as ballcoach. There’s really no new information there

[bluedevilflame]

So Cohen blackmailed the Falwell's into endorsing Trump? This pretty much just confirms what was already common knowledge.

[puttincomputers]

It was common "knowledge" and "suspected," but this is straight from the fixer's pen.

[stokesjokes]

You’re as bad as ballcoach. There’s really no new information there

Not true, I hadn't heard about the Bieber tickets before

[bluedevilflame]

It was common "knowledge" and "suspected," but this is straight from the fixer's pen.

Oh I'm agreeing with you, he's officially confirmed it and that's a big deal. I was just thinking there would be more to it than that.

[gerb]

or any other cabal.

Snarky. I like it. We can be friends.

No, this is not true. This is an attempt to delegitimize the things we're saying, not actually engage with them.

Well actually outsiders circling with chum in the water is a legitimate concern. I was provoking your group to address that. Due diligence can be uncomfortable but if everything is on the up and up, the allies you gain can be very helpful. My bona fides regarding what should be done with Jr. and Trey speaks for itself (see my rage rants on this board when news broke). We agree on 99%.

I tried to find your Form 1023. I'm guessing you guys spun this up very recently?

[Calum]

or any other cabal.

Snarky. I like it. We can be friends.

No, this is not true. This is an attempt to delegitimize the things we're saying, not actually engage with them.

Well actually outsiders circling with chum in the water is a legitimate concern. I was provoking your group to address that. Due diligence can be uncomfortable but if everything is on the up and up, the allies you gain can be very helpful. My bona fides regarding what should be done with Jr. and Trey speaks for itself (see my rage rants on this board when news broke). We agree on 99%.

I tried to find your Form 1023. I'm guessing you guys spun this up very recently?

Fair enough! It was a repeated enough criticism to not seem like chum, but I'll retract my claim about you trying to delegitimize us.

Yes, Save71 launched in the summer (either June or July; I don't have the paperwork in front of me right now). You won't find a Form 1023, because we're going for 501(c)4 status, not 501(c)3. Good eye for detail there!

[thepostman]

Toward the end of the call, Becki Falwell, who has not commented on the Cohen book or the photographs, could be heard urging her husband to cut short the conversation with Reuters. “Hang up the g**d*** phone,” she told her husband. “Hang up the phone, Jerry!”

Another quote from that Reuters article. Good to know Becki is keeping it classy and Jerry still hasn't learned how to simply say "no comment".

[Whatisthetruth]

"In addition, Cohen fills out details on his assertion that the Trump team fixed online polls to enhance the then-candidate's reputation — utilizing the services of Liberty University's John Gauger —"

[jbock13]

"In addition, Cohen fills out details on his assertion that the Trump team fixed online polls to enhance the then-candidate's reputation — utilizing the services of Liberty University's John Gauger —"

Welcome to 2017!

[thepostman]

Yeah, Redfinch is the company that did that allegedly. That has been talked about in great detail on here. So many sketch things that have been right there and somehow the board had no idea...