[stokesjokes]

The thing I keep reading as I read between the lines. "Trump keeps hiring crappy people".

He hired Omarosa

[stokesjokes]

You are redefining the Russian Hoax. We were told throughput the Mueller Investigation that Trump and his campaign worked hand in hand with Russia to win the 2016 election. Yes, Trump campaign officials met with Russian officials. So did HRC officials. That’s not news. Her team helped prop up the Steele Dossier.
If something is not coordinated with a campaign it’s not collusion. That cooperation component is sort of a big deal. Not there with a Trump
The head of his campaign you refer to was only the head of his campaign for about 60 days and jettisoned. Primarily because of his dealings with those associated with a Russia. So I’m not sure how firing a guy because of his Russian bent is actually proof of ties to Russia

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what is meant by Russian hoax. I’ve heard, watched and read plenty who have said there never should have been an investigation, which is ridiculous. If that’s not your position, I apologize.

I do think we have more evidence of coordination than you’re willing to concede. We even have Trump on video saying “hey Russia, get me those emails,” in his half-joke-but-really-do-it style that he loves so much.

[Purple Haize]

Keep telling yourself that. If he somehow loses this election (which i have gone on the record in saying he won't), it won't take long for all those outside his family to write those tell all books.

This is a pretty solid line up
Kelly Mcenany
Richard Grennel (who is what I thought Bolton would be)
Pompeo
Barr
Mark Meadows.
That’s a better line up than Spicer Gorka etc

[Purple Haize]

You are redefining the Russian Hoax. We were told throughput the Mueller Investigation that Trump and his campaign worked hand in hand with Russia to win the 2016 election. Yes, Trump campaign officials met with Russian officials. So did HRC officials. That’s not news. Her team helped prop up the Steele Dossier.
If something is not coordinated with a campaign it’s not collusion. That cooperation component is sort of a big deal. Not there with a Trump
The head of his campaign you refer to was only the head of his campaign for about 60 days and jettisoned. Primarily because of his dealings with those associated with a Russia. So I’m not sure how firing a guy because of his Russian bent is actually proof of ties to Russia

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what is meant by Russian hoax. I’ve heard, watched and read plenty who have said there never should have been an investigation, which is ridiculous. If that’s not your position, I apologize.

I do think we have more evidence of coordination than you’re willing to concede. We even have Trump on video saying “hey Russia, get me those emails,” in his half-joke-but-really-do-it style that he loves so much.

THAT’S your evidence? It absolutely was a joke. But he absolutely would have loved it to come out. Putting ANY nefarious intent behind that statement is just absurd
I think there probably should have been an investigation. It should have lasted about a month because there simply is nothing there.

[thepostman]

Keep telling yourself that. If he somehow loses this election (which i have gone on the record in saying he won't), it won't take long for all those outside his family to write those tell all books.

This is a pretty solid line up
Kelly Mcenany
Richard Grennel (who is what I thought Bolton would be)
Pompeo
Barr
Mark Meadows.
That’s a better line up than Spicer Gorka etc

That isn't exactly high standards to live up to...but yes, so far they appear better.

[Purple Haize]

No it’s not. But it goes back to the folks he hired early on. I got the sense he came into office with a sense of goodwill towards the Republicans and they were more interested in jockeying for power. One thing I have picked up on about Trumps personality, and I kinda like it, is that he gives people the benefit of the doubt to begin with. He will heap praise on the and be very positive as long as they are trying to get stuff done. Even more so when stuff actually gets done. He gives them a lot of rope. But if you cross him or betray that trust.....he will turn on you in a heartbeat. That’s the Counter Puncher. I may not like how he goes about the second part but it’s a thing ive noticed about him. Bolton and Mattis come to mind. He’s also willing to put that animosity behind him to try to get a deal done. It’s not working as well as I’d hoped in DC but it’s not failing either

[stokesjokes]

You are redefining the Russian Hoax. We were told throughput the Mueller Investigation that Trump and his campaign worked hand in hand with Russia to win the 2016 election. Yes, Trump campaign officials met with Russian officials. So did HRC officials. That’s not news. Her team helped prop up the Steele Dossier.
If something is not coordinated with a campaign it’s not collusion. That cooperation component is sort of a big deal. Not there with a Trump
The head of his campaign you refer to was only the head of his campaign for about 60 days and jettisoned. Primarily because of his dealings with those associated with a Russia. So I’m not sure how firing a guy because of his Russian bent is actually proof of ties to Russia

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what is meant by Russian hoax. I’ve heard, watched and read plenty who have said there never should have been an investigation, which is ridiculous. If that’s not your position, I apologize.

I do think we have more evidence of coordination than you’re willing to concede. We even have Trump on video saying “hey Russia, get me those emails,” in his half-joke-but-really-do-it style that he loves so much.

THAT’S your evidence? It absolutely was a joke. But he absolutely would have loved it to come out. Putting ANY nefarious intent behind that statement is just absurd
I think there probably should have been an investigation. It should have lasted about a month because there simply is nothing there.

No no, you’re misunderstanding me. My evidence is the Mueller report (not the Barr summary that Mueller himself viewed as a complete BS attempt to undermine his findings) and the senate report, which outlines more specific dealings and higher level concerns. I mention Trump’s comments to point out the ridiculousness of the suggestion that:
A. An investigation was unnecessary (I know this isn’t your position)
B. Candidate Trump knew nothing of the Russian dealings

And the whole “it’s just a joke” defense is so weak. He says it as a joke to let it be known he supports the idea and so that he can have deniability when something actually goes down.

[Purple Haize]

You actually think that statement was literally asking for Russia to steal HRC’s info? Watch that WHOLE press conference again.
The Meuller Report was a big nothing burger. The Senate report released was basically a rehashing of the Mueller report with the addendum of the people we thought were Russians probably were Russians.
The big concern in the reports was Manafort who literally played a passing role in the campaign and was released because of the concerns raised in the report. Every step of the way the entire Russian coordination with Trump has been disproved. But we were told from day 1 thanks to the Steele Dossier that we would find out Trump was literally a Russian agent. That’s your hoax.

[stokesjokes]

Obviously not “literally asking.” Very much endorsing. And let’s not forget that the emails were released 4 hours later.

Some quotes about your “nothing burger:”

“Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.“

Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

“Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal.”

“Mueller found other contacts with Russia, such as the sharing of polling data about Midwestern states where Trump later won upset victories, conversations with the Russian ambassador to influence Russia’s response to sanctions imposed by the U.S. government in response to election interference, and communications with Wikileaks after it had received emails stolen by Russia.“

Source https://time.com/5610317/mueller-repor ... breakdown/

34 indictments https://time.com/5556331/mueller-inves ... lty-pleas/

[TH Spangler]

Before JS is finish I think it all comes out. Best way to know what dems are covering up is by looking at what they are accusing you of.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house ... es-america

[TH Spangler]

PH, I dont doubt he was a jerk to people. Doesn't justify the President's remarks by a long shot. I give veterans a bit more leeway on those kinds of comments than some multi millionaire businessman.

But I digress. This isn't a story that one can really confirm so I don't think it justifies the attention it has gotten.

I could tell a ton of stories on polticians and how they treat military personnel but I'll leave that for my retired days.

I wonder why Trump has a chip on his shoulder?

The Justice Department’s recent Inspector General report revealed the late Senator John McCain gave disgraced former FBI chief James Comey five different reports from Christopher Steele that the FBI didn’t previously possess.

Breitbart reports those documents, part of the Steel dossier, were unsubstantiated allegations of collusion between Russia and President Trump’s 2016 campaign.

[thepostman]

My criticism was always on the statement and not his disagreements with McCain. There was no love loss between the two.

[rhezick]

Speaking of that, I'm just stunned to see such staunch defense of the President making these comments. Okay, so we've got Fox News and the Atlantic saying he did, and some other news outlets saying people never heard that. Let's look at he's done (because as we teach our children...words matter). He spoke of McCain in 2015 saying - "he's not a war hero. He was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Besides how anti military that statement is, how is it crazy to think that the President would say such terrible things, when he said similar comments when running for President? Please help me understand how this is sooooo out of left field?

[thepostman]

Because he had people currently being employed by his administration come out and deny it, seems legit

I don't know if it is true or not. I wouldn't be surprised if it was true and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't true. Because people aren't attaching their names to it make it suspect but Trump is a professional liar so I dont trust him at all.

Regardless, it can't be proven so it doesn't do anybody any good to keep this as the story of the day.

[TH Spangler]

Speaking of that, I'm just stunned to see such staunch defense of the President making these comments. Okay, so we've got Fox News and the Atlantic saying he did, and some other news outlets saying people never heard that. Let's look at he's done (because as we teach our children...words matter). He spoke of McCain in 2015 saying - "he's not a war hero. He was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Besides how anti military that statement is, how is it crazy to think that the President would say such terrible things, when he said similar comments when running for President? Please help me understand how this is sooooo out of left field?

McCain doesn't get a free pass for life because he was a pow. He participated in a deepstate coup if you ask me. And we all know Trump is a counter puncher.

[thepostman]

He doesn't but at least PH can admit that statment about McCain not being a real hero didn't sit well with him. It really is ok to being critical of some things the president has said and does. It won't make you part of the "deep state", i promise you.

[olldflame]

Speaking of that, I'm just stunned to see such staunch defense of the President making these comments. Okay, so we've got Fox News and the Atlantic saying he did, and some other news outlets saying people never heard that. Let's look at he's done (because as we teach our children...words matter). He spoke of McCain in 2015 saying - "he's not a war hero. He was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Besides how anti military that statement is, how is it crazy to think that the President would say such terrible things, when he said similar comments when running for President? Please help me understand how this is sooooo out of left field?

I haven't read a single word from anyone "defending the comments". What I have heard is a lot of skepticism as to whether he ever made them, and it is justified IMHO. At least 1 or 2 of the alleged anonymous sources were likely to be high ranking military, and yet they haven't spoken of it for over 2 years, and now don't want to be identified for fear of nasty tweets? Tweets?" "Come on man!" Add to that the fact that there are multiple named sources who were there and deny he said it, including John Bolton, who is anything but a Trumper at this point.

[TH Spangler]

The Atlantic is owned by Laurene Powell Jobs. Checkout where her political donations go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-atlant ... 1566651600

[Purple Haize]

Speaking of that, I'm just stunned to see such staunch defense of the President making these comments. Okay, so we've got Fox News and the Atlantic saying he did, and some other news outlets saying people never heard that. Let's look at he's done (because as we teach our children...words matter). He spoke of McCain in 2015 saying - "he's not a war hero. He was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Besides how anti military that statement is, how is it crazy to think that the President would say such terrible things, when he said similar comments when running for President? Please help me understand how this is sooooo out of left field?

Because he said A doesn’t mean he said B. I’ve been victim of “well we can see you saying that so you must have” so I’m certainly going to defend that type of accusation when people who were with him all day have come out on record saying it’s not true. Even Fox doesn’t confirm it. One reporter says he’s got sources saying it didn’t. The other doesn’t actually confirm the salacious parts of the story.
He said what he said about McCain.
Based on his actions they don’t match up with the words to this story. A story so full of provable falsehoods there’s no need to give it any credence

[Purple Haize]

He doesn't but at least PH can admit that statment about McCain not being a real hero didn't sit well with him. It really is ok to being critical of some things the president has said and does. It won't make you part of the "deep state", i promise you.

To clarify I took issue with his loser or shot down Or captured statements about McCain. I don’t look at McCain as a hero

[thepostman]

Just when I thought we found some common ground in politics, you have to go and ruin it!

[thepostman]

Should we have believed this anonymous source? Asking for a friend...

Note: I am not putting much stock in this Atlantic story, I just find it comical how easily it is to find Trump tweets for almost any situation.

[Purple Haize]

Just when I thought we found some common ground in politics, you have to go and ruin it!

I didn’t want you to have a false sense of security

[Purple Haize]

Should we have believed this anonymous source? Asking for a friend...

Note: I am not putting much stock in this Atlantic story, I just find it comical how easily it is to find Trump tweets for almost any situation.

Remember when “somebody “ called Harry Reid’s office and told him that Mitt Romney never paid taxes?

[rhezick]

Speaking of that, I'm just stunned to see such staunch defense of the President making these comments. Okay, so we've got Fox News and the Atlantic saying he did, and some other news outlets saying people never heard that. Let's look at he's done (because as we teach our children...words matter). He spoke of McCain in 2015 saying - "he's not a war hero. He was captured. I like people who weren't captured."

Besides how anti military that statement is, how is it crazy to think that the President would say such terrible things, when he said similar comments when running for President? Please help me understand how this is sooooo out of left field?

Because he said A doesn’t mean he said B. I’ve been victim of “well we can see you saying that so you must have” so I’m certainly going to defend that type of accusation when people who were with him all day have come out on record saying it’s not true. Even Fox doesn’t confirm it. One reporter says he’s got sources saying it didn’t. The other doesn’t actually confirm the salacious parts of the story.
He said what he said about McCain.
Based on his actions they don’t match up with the words to this story. A story so full of provable falsehoods there’s no need to give it any credence

Meh, I disagree but to each their own. This isn't A vs B. It's A and.... A again. I guess I just look at his past (because words matter like we teach our children) and they look very similar to what he's being accused of today. So it's not just about an article... if it was just that alone and he never said what he said about McCain 5 years ago, then fine. But to me this takes it from "no need to give it any credence" to "things that make you go...hmmm..." Rock solid proof? No. Just like there's no rock solid proof about Jerry's corner (side note, great name for an auxiliary student center on campus..."Jerry's corner" ...too soon?)

I'm not saying I'm 100% right. I just think, much like anything, life isn't binary and the truth is somewhere in the middle. At the end of the day, just like Bolton told a reporter, I don't think anyone can objectively say "oh that doesn't sound like the Donald Trump I know!" Griffin's a well respected journalist. I think all things considered with all the facts, it's certainly not a nothing burger.