[El Scorcho]

And I think that’s a terrible metric to solely measure a businessman by.

Honestly I believe the metrics being used to rate his business acumen are 1- he’s better at financial things then his dad 2 - the school isn’t back in debt. 3- he was in charge when Online Learning took Off and rode that train
I’m not sure how highly those things stack up in the grand scheme of things

I have ALWAYS thought he got too much credit for being a good businessman. I am not saying he was bad, but I believe he did benefit significantly, from the timing of certain things that he couldn't/didn't control.

I agree with these takes, but would add an additional wrinkle: I don't think Jr. got entirely lucky with online. I think he exploited it by giving the whole thing rock bottom standards, and I would argue that speaks further to his lack of ethics.

The timing was fortunate, but if you don't care about student outcomes or academic standards the "business" of a university isn't that hard.

[rogers3]

Honestly I believe the metrics being used to rate his business acumen are 1- he’s better at financial things then his dad 2 - the school isn’t back in debt. 3- he was in charge when Online Learning took Off and rode that train
I’m not sure how highly those things stack up in the grand scheme of things

I have ALWAYS thought he got too much credit for being a good businessman. I am not saying he was bad, but I believe he did benefit significantly, from the timing of certain things that he couldn't/didn't control.

I agree with these takes, but would add an additional wrinkle: I don't think Jr. got entirely lucky with online. I think he exploited it by giving the whole thing rock bottom standards, and I would argue that speaks further to his lack of ethics.

The timing was fortunate, but if you don't care about student outcomes or academic standards the "business" of a university isn't that hard.

I’ve never thought of that perspective, but it could well be true. LUO sprung out of what was LUSLL, and Jerry had nothing to do with that. I’ve always considered him to be a person who excels by exploitation, and the model was certainly ripe for that. Maybe he got out while the getting out is good. The current health problem is forcing states to be unwilling competitors, so now the private providers might find that they have to deliver on a playing field that means less revenue per student.

[lynchburgwildcats]

So how many lawsuits or criminal charges are going to come out of this?

[lynchburgwildcats]

Safe to say Ballcoach is one person who won't get sued for spreading rumors.

Also, most likely to believe in a flat earth. Critical thought is just not something he seems to care about.

Probably a moon landing “truther” as well!

[lynchburgwildcats]

Acknowledging that LU will never get a fair shake from the secular world, is it possible w/ a new President coming on board, that LU has the potential to be a normal Christian school, just going about it’s business striving to do great things for Christ?

A friend of mine who went to a large highly regarded mid western University said “when I was in school I didn’t even know who our University President was. In a weird way that might be a good thing for LU.

It’s going to take probably a generation, maybe even more for the outside perspective to get more normalized, and that’s assuming the next permanent president can keep their foot out of their mouth and basically do virtually everything non-business (or dealmaking as Yacht Rock prefers) related completely opposite of how Jr did it.

[ballcoach15]

It will not take a generation. I think it will be a lot shorter than most think it will. But I can't put a time frame on it. One thing to remember, the well is not dry.

[tyndal23]

How often do you hear about Baylor scandal? No one talked about it last year during Baylor games and talk radio stopped talking about It in 2018 - year 2 of Matt Rhule. America has ADD and no one remembers what happened in Jan of 2020 since it seems like 10 years ago. Get the right prez in place and let the sports teams be the news and the mission/academic engine pointed due north. By all means stay politically conservative - but you don’t have to poke the bear at every turn for PR. Jr isn’t the devil and God did amazing things through and in spite of him and blessed LU tremendously and in His timing allowed JR to reap what he sowed - and I hope JR has hit or hits a personal rock bottom soon and reaches out to the only answer - regardless, I wore my LU gear all week and plan on wearing it for a long long time.

[lynchburgwildcats]

How often do you hear about Baylor scandal? No one talked about it last year during Baylor games and talk radio stopped talking about It in 2018 - year 2 of Matt Rhule. America has ADD and no one remembers what happened in Jan of 2020 since it seems like 10 years ago. Get the right prez in place and let the sports teams be the news and the mission/academic engine pointed due north. By all means stay politically conservative - but you don’t have to poke the bear at every turn for PR. Jr isn’t the devil and God did amazing things through and in spite of him and blessed LU tremendously and in His timing allowed JR to reap what he sowed - and I hope JR has hit or hits a personal rock bottom soon and reaches out to the only answer - regardless, I wore my LU gear all week and plan on wearing it for a long long time.

People still talk negatively about Falwell Sr. and associate negative things with the university due to him and he’s been dead for 13 years.

The school has been in existence for 49 years and has been wrapped with controversy off and in for a large majority of that time. Decades of controversy that sows negative thoughts, images, and opinions that have lasted decades doesn’t just go away on a couple years. And a lot of people aren’t exactly quiet with these thoughts and opinions.

[tyndal23]

How often do you hear about Baylor scandal? No one talked about it last year during Baylor games and talk radio stopped talking about It in 2018 - year 2 of Matt Rhule. America has ADD and no one remembers what happened in Jan of 2020 since it seems like 10 years ago. Get the right prez in place and let the sports teams be the news and the mission/academic engine pointed due north. By all means stay politically conservative - but you don’t have to poke the bear at every turn for PR. Jr isn’t the devil and God did amazing things through and in spite of him and blessed LU tremendously and in His timing allowed JR to reap what he sowed - and I hope JR has hit or hits a personal rock bottom soon and reaches out to the only answer - regardless, I wore my LU gear all week and plan on wearing it for a long long time.

People still talk negatively about Falwell Sr. and associate negative things with the university due to him and he’s been dead for 13 years.

The school has been in existence for 49 years and has been wrapped with controversy off and in for a large majority of that time. Decades of controversy that sows negative thoughts, images, and opinions that have lasted decades doesn’t just go away on a couple years. And a lot of people aren’t exactly quiet with these thoughts and opinions.

Absolutely NO ONE on this board Listens to a thing u say, so why bother. Crawl back in to your mom’s basement and let the people who actually went to LU or have a vested interest in LU bicker it out. Trolling only unites us....( wait, on second thought, keep firing your propaganda )

[Purple Haize]

You apparently listen. You responded

[Jonathan Carone]

I think you’re both right. Those who have had issues with the school forever and can’t separate Liberty from Falwell will continue to do so for decades. There’s no getting around that.

For those who don’t know much about anything Falwell - I was in this camp when I transferred to Liberty - we can changed the narrative in 3-4 years of success and PR.

[jinxy]

You guys say you ignore ballcoach yet you reply to EVERY single post. Same.

[Purple Haize]

You guys say you ignore ballcoach yet you reply to EVERY single post. Same.

I never said I ignore fraudcoach

[lynchburgwildcats]

How often do you hear about Baylor scandal? No one talked about it last year during Baylor games and talk radio stopped talking about It in 2018 - year 2 of Matt Rhule. America has ADD and no one remembers what happened in Jan of 2020 since it seems like 10 years ago. Get the right prez in place and let the sports teams be the news and the mission/academic engine pointed due north. By all means stay politically conservative - but you don’t have to poke the bear at every turn for PR. Jr isn’t the devil and God did amazing things through and in spite of him and blessed LU tremendously and in His timing allowed JR to reap what he sowed - and I hope JR has hit or hits a personal rock bottom soon and reaches out to the only answer - regardless, I wore my LU gear all week and plan on wearing it for a long long time.

People still talk negatively about Falwell Sr. and associate negative things with the university due to him and he’s been dead for 13 years.

The school has been in existence for 49 years and has been wrapped with controversy off and in for a large majority of that time. Decades of controversy that sows negative thoughts, images, and opinions that have lasted decades doesn’t just go away on a couple years. And a lot of people aren’t exactly quiet with these thoughts and opinions.

Absolutely NO ONE on this board Listens to a thing u say, so why bother. Crawl back in to your mom’s basement and let the people who actually went to LU or have a vested interest in LU bicker it out. Trolling only unites us....( wait, on second thought, keep firing your propaganda )

Good one. Now try upgrading to an insult that’s on the intellectual level of a middle schooler.

[badger74]

Penn State had a scandal multiples worse than this one. Sex with consenting adults is still legal if not moral according to your own standards. PSU recovered in a year. Donations and enrollment actually went UP.

[BlueBlood]

Penn State had a scandal multiples worse than this one. Sex with consenting adults is still legal if not moral according to your own standards. PSU recovered in a year. Donations and enrollment actually went UP.

Having lived through that one, I’ve been thinking about similarities and differences:

Similarities:
- Hypocrisy. This is similar. Paterno had the “grand experiment” where athletes were expected to be good students. He was known for running a tight ship. That image crashed hard. This will be the biggest thing against LU.
- Determined alumni/fan base. Penn Staters would not let Sandusky define them. I think you will see tremendous support from LU alumni and friends - actually even rallying some who maybe previously gave up on LU. There is a chance for a better LU and I feel like folks are rallying behind that.
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Differences:
- Penn State had way more coverage. We are sensitive to it, and it feels like everyone is talking about LU, but Penn State was so much bigger. PSU was a National headline story for weeks on end. Nationally, LU is a side story.
- LU has one person (family) to blame. He was fired/resigned. Sandusky was only one person too, but really the web of blame was much wider and very messy. To this date, there are still lots of questions regarding who knew exactly what and when. Lots of differing and changing stories.
- Penn State is state-related and too big to fail. LU is not. I’m wondering how hard LIberty Online tumbles.
- As noted above, Sandusky preyed on minors, a huge difference.
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That’s a start.

[BlueBlood]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/us/jerr ... index.html

I can’t believe I’m going to say it - CNN pretty much nailed it.

[olldflame]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/us/jerr ... index.html

I can’t believe I’m going to say it - CNN pretty much nailed it.

Yep.
Gotta give credit where credit is due.

[paradox]

This is definitive. Nice job!

[olldflame]

This is definitive. Nice job!

Guepa! First paradox sighting in what? 10 years? Welcome back! Would love to have you stick around for MBB discussions.

[Purple Haize]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/us/jerr ... index.html

I can’t believe I’m going to say it - CNN pretty much nailed it.

“I quickly and unexpectedly went from being the lawyer working in the background on the business aspects of the school to becoming a very public person, having to overcome my fears of speaking in front of audiences of tens of thousands," Falwell said.

This quote has always stuck with me since he said it. It’s 100% true. In no way does it excuse his behavior but this is what explains it. Monday Morning Quarterbacking is easy but it should all start from that quote. He was certainly I’ll prepared for the Role. I don’t know what type of transition plans they had for his father to relinquish control while he was alive or in the event of his passing but they obviously were insufficient. He was ill served by the likes of Ron Godwin and really needed someone(S) he cOU ld look to for guidance. He also needed to be willing to take that guidance.
Again, not an excuse just an explanation

[thepostman]

Without a doubt. Even though I have been one of his biggest critics, I think most can agree he was ill prepared for that role. I wish he had sought out wise council. Instead, he was surrounded by yes men.

Had he been more prepared, both from a practical standpoint and a spiritual one, a lot of this may have been avoided.

[Jonathan Carone]

Could that reflect onto the board? Again - this is hindsight - but did they rush into a decision for the sake of stability and continuing the Falwell name? Is it possible he was never qualified to be president and the board shouldn’t see that in a true transition vetting process?

[thepostman]

My memory might be foggy but I believe the transition plan that Sr developed to be carried out in case of an unexpected death stated Jr would take over his duties. It was approved by the board and I feel like they all thought they'd have more time.

But I may be remembering wrong.

Not that you don't make good points that I agree with.

[olldflame]

Could that reflect onto the board? Again - this is hindsight - but did they rush into a decision for the sake of stability and continuing the Falwell name? Is it possible he was never qualified to be president and the board shouldn’t see that in a true transition vetting process?

My understanding is that JR taking over as president of Liberty and Jonathon as pastor of TRBC is something that was set in motion a couple of years earlier when Doc had a big health scare where his heart actually stopped briefly. Both knew the day was coming. In 20/20 hindsight, it appears they took different paths in preparing for it.