[bluedevilflame]

Speaking of politics and think tanks, whats the status of Falkirk now? Charlie Kirk has removed any mention of it and Jerry was removed from their website, but they are still active on social media?

[thepostman]

GMA feature

https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/ ... ssion=true

It is something else....

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[bluedevilflame]

This just keeps getting worse

[El Scorcho]

That should be the goal. We should be the best university teaching things from a Christian perspective. It’s possible to do that. We just have to value education more than politics and influence.

I also think it's possible to do it. I have my doubts that it's likely, however. As an alum that doesn't make me happy, but that's my honest take.

Since I'm being honest...

The reason I don't think it's likely is because to be truly successful academically, intellectual honesty has to be a core principle of the university. I don't think a Christian education and intellectual honesty are fundamentally opposed, but my experiences at Liberty make me feel like I'm in the minority on that.

To me, this is the root issue at Liberty. In my opinion this is the reason it's easy to end up with less than ethical people running things. It's easy to say this was just a problem with Jerry Jr. and Becki. It's not. Has everyone already forgotten Ron Godwin's time at Liberty? This wasn't a sudden change. It was incremental.

And, in my opinion, it starts with being willing to ignore demonstrably true and measurable things in order to support a personally preferable alternative. If you can train your brain to ignore some measures of reality, it becomes very easy to ignore others.

I understand this is fuel for a flame war. Not my intent and I'm not going to debate it. After 12 years at Liberty, that's my opinion.

[thepostman]

This just keeps getting worse

It isn't for the faint of heart, that is for sure. Sounds like he has a lot of proof to back it up and I would imagine if he didn't that Jerry would've already been talking lawsuit.

[bluedevilflame]

This just keeps getting worse

It isn't for the faint of heart, that is for sure. Sounds like he has a lot of proof to back it up and I would imagine if he didn't that Jerry would've already been talking lawsuit.

Yep, seems as if he kept text exchanges and emails, I'll give the guy credit he must have seen where all this was heading.

[LUconn]

That should be the goal. We should be the best university teaching things from a Christian perspective. It’s possible to do that. We just have to value education more than politics and influence.

I also think it's possible to do it. I have my doubts that it's likely, however. As an alum that doesn't make me happy, but that's my honest take.

Since I'm being honest...

The reason I don't think it's likely is because to be truly successful academically, intellectual honesty has to be a core principle of the university. I don't think a Christian education and intellectual honesty are fundamentally opposed, but my experiences at Liberty make me feel like I'm in the minority on that.

To me, this is the root issue at Liberty. In my opinion this is the reason it's easy to end up with less than ethical people running things. It's easy to say this was just a problem with Jerry Jr. and Becki. It's not. Has everyone already forgotten Ron Godwin's time at Liberty? This wasn't a sudden change. It was incremental.

And, in my opinion, it starts with being willing to ignore demonstrably true and measurable things in order to support a personally preferable alternative. If you can train your brain to ignore some measures of reality, it becomes very easy to ignore others.

I understand this is fuel for a flame war. Not my intent and I'm not going to debate it. After 12 years at Liberty, that's my opinion.

I dont disagree on the surface with much of what you are saying but also this is looking at Liberty in a vacuum and ignoring the same problems at secular institutions.

[LUconn]

Also, attendance at a swingers club is probably against employee rules

[thepostman]

So the fact Jerry has yet to even mention a lawsuit tells me all I need to know. This is a man who has constantly threatened and even filed his share of lawsuits. The fact that he hasn't even mentioned it? Come on.

Knowing this was going on right under our noses for so long will sting for a really long time.

[El Scorcho]

I dont disagree on the surface with much of what you are saying but also this is looking at Liberty in a vacuum and ignoring the same problems at secular institutions.

Fun fact: I left Liberty after 12 years and have now spent a decade at a secular higher education institution. It's not perfect, but the integrity of everyone I've worked with has been MILES above anything I ever experienced at Liberty. And the pursuit of intellectual honesty is baked into the culture. It is very evident that it's why the institution exists.

Again, not perfect. There are always missteps and mistakes. There are always people who are less than ethical and people who seek personal gain over truth. But I've spent enough time at both to contrast the two and it's my opinion that Liberty is fundamentally broken in a way that prevents it from being truly successful academically.

[LUAlum1215]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 05570.html

"Giancarlo is not telling the full truth. I hope he finds the courage to do so." - Gordon Bello, who was also supposed to be a part of the hostel deal

[Purple Haize]

@El Scorcho No one should forget Ron Godwin.

[Yacht Rock]

I dont disagree on the surface with much of what you are saying but also this is looking at Liberty in a vacuum and ignoring the same problems at secular institutions.

Fun fact: I left Liberty after 12 years and have now spent a decade at a secular higher education institution. It's not perfect, but the integrity of everyone I've worked with has been MILES above anything I ever experienced at Liberty. And the pursuit of intellectual honesty is baked into the culture. It is very evident that it's why the institution exists.

Again, not perfect. There are always missteps and mistakes. There are always people who are less than ethical and people who seek personal gain over truth. But I've spent enough time at both to contrast the two and it's my opinion that Liberty is fundamentally broken in a way that prevents it from being truly successful academically.

I haven’t worked for Liberty but I have worked for secular organizations and dealt with executives of companies far more successful than Liberty and in nearly every case they demonstrated a culture than had more integrity than Liberty. As someone in business, it’s what’s boggled my mind. Workplace culture can follow “If it’s Christian, it ought to be better” too. Very few excuses for Liberty not making a huge effort in that area. Honestly, it’s one of the pain points I have of people calling Jr a “good businessman.” At least in my definition a good businessperson is much more holistic than “deal making.” You can be a good deal maker and a bad businessperson. Organizational leadership involves people. How you treat your stakeholders is part of being a businessman. How you foster the culture of your organization is part of being a businessman. He failed in that regard.

[Jonathan Carone]

Jerry is considered a good businessman because he made a lot of money in business.

He is nowhere close to a good leader.

[RubberMallet]

University employee culture starts at the top. and we are learning that there is such a fundamental breakdown of leadership at the top (sorry not buying "WHAAA HOW DID THEY HIDE THIS FROM US!!!" BS.) of LU that "but other universities are also bad" just isn't going to apply here to an extent. part of the reason is that some of this stuff isn't really a scandal in a secular university. so the prez likes to get his jollies, was there consent, boom ok.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant and LU has been the wall behind a row of bookshelves in a moist room growing layers of mold.

[Yacht Rock]

Jerry is considered a good businessman because he made a lot of money in business.

He is nowhere close to a good leader.

And I think that’s a terrible metric to solely measure a businessman by.

[rogers3]

I dont disagree on the surface with much of what you are saying but also this is looking at Liberty in a vacuum and ignoring the same problems at secular institutions.

Fun fact: I left Liberty after 12 years and have now spent a decade at a secular higher education institution. It's not perfect, but the integrity of everyone I've worked with has been MILES above anything I ever experienced at Liberty. And the pursuit of intellectual honesty is baked into the culture. It is very evident that it's why the institution exists.

Again, not perfect. There are always missteps and mistakes. There are always people who are less than ethical and people who seek personal gain over truth. But I've spent enough time at both to contrast the two and it's my opinion that Liberty is fundamentally broken in a way that prevents it from being truly successful academically.

My father-in-law was at Liberty from the late 70's until May; meanwhile, I have taught at another local 4 year college for the last 10 years. Your observation is correct. I have often argued that the culture in my school is in many ways more conservative than that of Liberty. I know that I respect my Administration more than anyone in leadership at LU and I certainly find them more trustworthy. I also have conducted business with both Liberty and the three other 4 year schools and find that the bidding at Liberty was much more corrupt than it is at the other local colleges.

[Purple Haize]

Jerry is considered a good businessman because he made a lot of money in business.

He is nowhere close to a good leader.

And I think that’s a terrible metric to solely measure a businessman by.

Honestly I believe the metrics being used to rate his business acumen are 1- he’s better at financial things then his dad 2 - the school isn’t back in debt. 3- he was in charge when Online Learning took Off and rode that train
I’m not sure how highly those things stack up in the grand scheme of things

[olldflame]

This is really encouraging.

[Jonathan Carone]

This is really encouraging.

This is what our reputation should be. Not Turning Point College.

[flameshaw]

Jerry is considered a good businessman because he made a lot of money in business.

He is nowhere close to a good leader.

And I think that’s a terrible metric to solely measure a businessman by.

Honestly I believe the metrics being used to rate his business acumen are 1- he’s better at financial things then his dad 2 - the school isn’t back in debt. 3- he was in charge when Online Learning took Off and rode that train
I’m not sure how highly those things stack up in the grand scheme of things

I have ALWAYS thought he got too much credit for being a good businessman. I am not saying he was bad, but I believe he did benefit significantly, from the timing of certain things that he couldn't/didn't control.

[olldflame]

So, that was obviously way more than 1000 at the Bill last night. REALLY SMART to do the social distancing, both for safety and to show gov blackface we are not being "reckless". I'd like to see him try to stop them from doing it again.

[thepostman]

Isn't the 1000 rule for non-religious garheeings?

[flameshaw]

Isn't the 1000 rule for non-religious garheeings?

Maybe the answer is to pray before/while tearing down the statue.

[olldflame]

Isn't the 1000 rule for non-religious garheeings?

That could be it. The phased guidelines do not appear to address outdoor religious gatherings.