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Do you beleive that man is responsible for what we know as "Global Warming"

It's the Truth. And a very inconvenient one.
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No. I laugh every snow storm and scoff at the lack of hurricanes.
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Global wha? Let's go back to Montana Brokeback.
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By LUconn
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This should be interesting since it's a theory that, oddly enough, is politically charged and this site is heavily conservative. I know some might beleive the earth is warming but due to natural cycles so I worded the question carefully, I think.
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By El Scorcho
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I think it's just a weather cycle. Scientists laugh at people like me, though.
By Libertine
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I think that Global Warming is the second coming of Y2K, SARS, bird flu, regular flu and every other big scary bugaboo that's come along in the last 20 years. Admittedly, Global Warming has a lot more leg than the others but I attribute that to GW being a political agenda with a lot more $ pushing it and that, by definition, climate issues take so long to disprove. After all, in the late 60's and early 70's, these same climatologists were crying about the "coming Ice Age".
By LUconn
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by the way, use the 3rd option if you havent made up your mind or if you're gay.
By paradox
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All good points.

It's just another unfortunate part of contempory mythology and pseudo-scientific fact.
By LUconn
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I havent voted yet or given an opinion but do you guys not think that all of these human alterations to the earth effect it?
By Libertine
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LUconn wrote:I havent voted yet or given an opinion but do you guys not think that all of these human alterations to the earth effect it?
No. By and large, climate is determined and changed in the higher levels of the atmosphere. Most of man's alterations to earth's environment never get high enough to have any effect on climate. Global warming has more to do with the behavior of the sun than mankind.
By thepostman
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its one of those things that are impossible to prove....weather records only go back so far...so any stats they give saying stuff about the warmest years ever just aren't accurate....its simple logic really

I think there is something more behind why Gore is pushing this so much...I just don't really know what it is...
By Rocketfan
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I also read something and now can't find the article that during heat wave back in the fall when temps were way up, we were actually on a cycle bringing us closer to the sun. We were millions of miles closer( which would explain the warm temps).......but yes i really haven't formed and opinion either but some of these people (Al Gore) allow me a good laugh each and everyday.
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By 01LUGrad
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I am all for less gas consumption. I'm originally from just south of Gary, Indiana and I can tell you some pretty cool smog stories (one includes brown snow). I also happen to have read The Book and I know how this all ends. There is nothing in there about Al Gore.
By 4everfsu
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Let see Global warming will melt the ice caps and the world will be flooded, like the movie " the day after" or whatever it was called.
Let see I read the Book and the world was destroyed by a flood before and will not be destroyed by any future flood. So don't worry about melting ice caps.
Oh well my vote is no for this hocus pocus. Another way of politicians wanting to control the mass, the automobile, etc.
So don't put too much faith in Al "Chicken Little" Gore and his global warming threats.
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By Sly Fox
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I guess I'm the only person on here who took option number one. I work (though communications consulting) from time to time with some of the great scientific minds of our time who work for the mega multi-nationals who have a vested interest in avoiding legislation associated with the global warming loud mouths. Even they acknowledge there is some climate change and that our industrialization is the most significant factor. But they have a vastly different view of what can be done and how best to implement mechanisms of change. The unilateral measures being enacted in Europe right now might have some impact on curbing the process but there is no evidence to assure its success. And then when you factor in the Third World where the largest majority of greenhouse gases are being created you have basically no way of stemming that flow.

Can there be steps taken to lessen the environmental impact of our industrial needs? I believe the answer is yes. But the ridiculous mumbo jumbo being spewed by the Al Gores of the world has ruined any real dialogue opportunities.
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By whmatthews
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thepostman wrote: I think there is something more behind why Gore is pushing this so much...I just don't really know what it is...
I know what it is.. he's a liberal pragmatist and oppertunist. They have to do something in order to keep socialism and globalization going.
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By whmatthews
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 5027.shtml
Global Warming Equals Socialism
By Philip V. Brennan
Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2007

There's a very simple question that the global warming scaremongers don't seem to be able to answer in a straightforward, credible manner.

It has to do with the current refrigeration of much of the United States and the claims of the global warming alarmists which appear to be very much at odds.

According to the propaganda campaign being hammered at the people of the world, the polar ice cap is melting and the polar regions are on the verge of becoming a tropical paradise.

I would like to know, if the polar regions are warming, how they able to bestow Arctic weather upon much of the U.S. as they are currently doing?

If the Arctic is the planet's refrigeration system and if that system is losing its coolant due to global warming, how can it continue to bless the U.S. with cold fronts that continue to break records for their severity?

The lame excuse the alarmists provide is that, oh well, climate is measured over the long term, you see, and over a year's time, the climate is seen as getting warmer, despite the frigid temperatures seen in the winter, which are merely temporary.

That's called "begging the question."

In an e-mail promoting a new book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming" the Conservative Book Updates from Human Events Book Service had the following wisdom to impart: "For decades, environmentalism has been the Left's best excuse for increasing government control over our actions in ways both large and small.

"It's for Mother Earth! It's for the children! It's for the whales! But until now, the doomsday-scenario environmental scares they've trumped up haven't been large enough to give the sinister prize they want most of all: total control of American politics, economic activity, and even individual behavior.

"With global warming, however, greenhouse gasbags can argue that auto emissions in Ohio threaten people in Paris, and that only global government can tackle such problems. National sovereignty? Democracy? Forget it: global warming has now brought the Left closer to global government, statism, and the eradication of individual rights than it has ever been before."

In that book, CBC reports that author Christopher C. Horner explains why, although Al Gore and his cronies among the media elites and U.N. globalists endlessly bleat that "global warming" is an unprecedented global crisis, they really think of it as a dream come true.

"Global warming is the ideal scare campaign for those who are doing all they can to secure strict control over society, business, and the minutest details of individual life." As Horner explains, "if global warming really were as bad as the Leftist doomsayers insist it is, then no policy imaginable could 'solve' it . . . no matter how much we sacrifice there would still be more to do. That makes global warming the bottomless well of excuses for the relentless growth of Big Government."

Writing in Canada's National Post, Feb. 5, Timothy Ball addresses the strongarm tactics employed by the environmentalist left. Dr. Ball, chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project and a former professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg, Canada recalls what happened to him when he spoke out against the global warming hoax.

"What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in university, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent."

Dr. Ball recalls that he once got a three-page letter from an academic colleague telling him he had no right to say what he was saying, especially in public lectures.

He was also accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being in the pay of oil companies. "That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay, you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club, or governments pay, there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?"

What did Dr. Ball say that got him in such trouble with some of his colleagues?

Just this: "Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and that for 32 years I was a professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg."

Politicians are being listened to, however, wrote Dr. Ball, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.

In recent weeks we have seen environmentalist wackos issuing fatwas against any scientist who dares to contradict their propaganda, demanding they be exiled from the scientific community and tried in international courts.

For example, The Weather Channel's most prominent climatologist, Heidi Cullen, advocated that broadcast meteorologists be stripped of their scientific certification if they express skepticism about predictions of manmade catastrophic global warming.

Appearing on the Larry King Show Jan. 31, MIT's professor of atmospheric science Dr. Richard Lindzen spoke about the widely touted scientific report issued by the U.N.'s Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and allegedly the work of 2,500 scientists insisting that it's 90 percent certain that global warming is manmade.

In fact, Dr. Lindzen explained, all that was issued last Friday was a summary for policy-makers that is not prepared by scientists. "It's not 2,500 people offering their consensus, I participated in that. Each person who is an author writes one or two pages in conjunction with someone else.

"They travel around the world several times a year for several years to write it and the summary for policy-makers has the input of about 13 of the scientists; but ultimately, it is written by representatives of governments, of environmental organizations like the Union of Concerned Scientists, and industrial organizations, each seeking their own benefit."

Added Lindzan about the whole global warming scare, "I think it's mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves."

Then there is this juicy story about the lengths to which the globalbaloneyists will go to convince the world it is tottering on the brink of a cataclysm.

The pro-global warming BBC reported that "rising seas, caused by global warming have for the first time washed an inhabited island of the face of the earth."

According to BBC, "The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true."

According to TheNewsisNowPublic.com, the story was a hoax.

BBC didn't bother to mention that Lohachare Island disappeared 22 years ago and that the entire region of The Sundarbans is a river delta, or that the disappearance of the island has been attributed to erosion, not global warming.

All of this provides solid evidence that Christopher C. Horner is right on target in his charge that the whole global warming business is nothing but pure politics — a means by which the left can take control of just about every human activity worldwide.

The real purpose behind the global warming movement is the establishment of a world socialist order under the control of the United Nations.

Global warming is what I've been saying it is since 1997: a lot of globaloney.

Phil Brennan is a veteran journalist who writes for NewsMax.com. He is editor and publisher of Wednesday on the Web (http://www.pvbr.com) and was Washington columnist for National Review magazine in the 1960s.

He also served as a staff aide for the House Republican Policy Committee and helped handle the Washington public relations operation for the Alaska Statehood Committee which won statehood for Alaska.

He is also a trustee of the Lincoln Heritage Institute and a member of the Association For Intelligence Officers.

He can be reached at pvb@pvbr.com.
By paradox
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whmatthews wrote:http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 5027.shtml
Global Warming Equals Socialism
By Philip V. Brennan
Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2007

There's a very simple question that the global warming scaremongers don't seem to be able to answer in a straightforward, credible manner.

It has to do with the current refrigeration of much of the United States and the claims of the global warming alarmists which appear to be very much at odds.

According to the propaganda campaign being hammered at the people of the world, the polar ice cap is melting and the polar regions are on the verge of becoming a tropical paradise.

I would like to know, if the polar regions are warming, how they able to bestow Arctic weather upon much of the U.S. as they are currently doing?

If the Arctic is the planet's refrigeration system and if that system is losing its coolant due to global warming, how can it continue to bless the U.S. with cold fronts that continue to break records for their severity?

The lame excuse the alarmists provide is that, oh well, climate is measured over the long term, you see, and over a year's time, the climate is seen as getting warmer, despite the frigid temperatures seen in the winter, which are merely temporary.

That's called "begging the question."

In an e-mail promoting a new book, "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming" the Conservative Book Updates from Human Events Book Service had the following wisdom to impart: "For decades, environmentalism has been the Left's best excuse for increasing government control over our actions in ways both large and small.

"It's for Mother Earth! It's for the children! It's for the whales! But until now, the doomsday-scenario environmental scares they've trumped up haven't been large enough to give the sinister prize they want most of all: total control of American politics, economic activity, and even individual behavior.

"With global warming, however, greenhouse gasbags can argue that auto emissions in Ohio threaten people in Paris, and that only global government can tackle such problems. National sovereignty? Democracy? Forget it: global warming has now brought the Left closer to global government, statism, and the eradication of individual rights than it has ever been before."

In that book, CBC reports that author Christopher C. Horner explains why, although Al Gore and his cronies among the media elites and U.N. globalists endlessly bleat that "global warming" is an unprecedented global crisis, they really think of it as a dream come true.

"Global warming is the ideal scare campaign for those who are doing all they can to secure strict control over society, business, and the minutest details of individual life." As Horner explains, "if global warming really were as bad as the Leftist doomsayers insist it is, then no policy imaginable could 'solve' it . . . no matter how much we sacrifice there would still be more to do. That makes global warming the bottomless well of excuses for the relentless growth of Big Government."

Writing in Canada's National Post, Feb. 5, Timothy Ball addresses the strongarm tactics employed by the environmentalist left. Dr. Ball, chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project and a former professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg, Canada recalls what happened to him when he spoke out against the global warming hoax.

"What I have experienced in my personal life during the last years makes me understand why most people choose not to speak out; job security and fear of reprisals. Even in university, where free speech and challenge to prevailing wisdoms are supposedly encouraged, academics remain silent."

Dr. Ball recalls that he once got a three-page letter from an academic colleague telling him he had no right to say what he was saying, especially in public lectures.

He was also accused by Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki of being in the pay of oil companies. "That is a lie. Apparently he thinks if the fossil fuel companies pay, you have an agenda. So if Greenpeace, Sierra Club, or governments pay, there is no agenda and only truth and enlightenment?"

What did Dr. Ball say that got him in such trouble with some of his colleagues?

Just this: "Global Warming, as we think we know it, doesn't exist. And I am not the only one trying to make people open up their eyes and see the truth. But few listen, despite the fact that I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in climatology and I have an extensive background in climatology, especially the reconstruction of past climates and the impact of climate change on human history and the human condition. Few listen, even though I have a Ph.D, (Doctor of Science) from the University of London, England and that for 32 years I was a professor of climatology at the University of Winnipeg."

Politicians are being listened to, however, wrote Dr. Ball, even though most of them have no knowledge or understanding of science, especially the science of climate and climate change. Hence, they are in no position to question a policy on climate change when it threatens the entire planet. Moreover, using fear and creating hysteria makes it very difficult to make calm rational decisions about issues needing attention.

In recent weeks we have seen environmentalist wackos issuing fatwas against any scientist who dares to contradict their propaganda, demanding they be exiled from the scientific community and tried in international courts.

For example, The Weather Channel's most prominent climatologist, Heidi Cullen, advocated that broadcast meteorologists be stripped of their scientific certification if they express skepticism about predictions of manmade catastrophic global warming.

Appearing on the Larry King Show Jan. 31, MIT's professor of atmospheric science Dr. Richard Lindzen spoke about the widely touted scientific report issued by the U.N.'s Inter-Governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and allegedly the work of 2,500 scientists insisting that it's 90 percent certain that global warming is manmade.

In fact, Dr. Lindzen explained, all that was issued last Friday was a summary for policy-makers that is not prepared by scientists. "It's not 2,500 people offering their consensus, I participated in that. Each person who is an author writes one or two pages in conjunction with someone else.

"They travel around the world several times a year for several years to write it and the summary for policy-makers has the input of about 13 of the scientists; but ultimately, it is written by representatives of governments, of environmental organizations like the Union of Concerned Scientists, and industrial organizations, each seeking their own benefit."

Added Lindzan about the whole global warming scare, "I think it's mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves."

Then there is this juicy story about the lengths to which the globalbaloneyists will go to convince the world it is tottering on the brink of a cataclysm.

The pro-global warming BBC reported that "rising seas, caused by global warming have for the first time washed an inhabited island of the face of the earth."

According to BBC, "The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true."

According to TheNewsisNowPublic.com, the story was a hoax.

BBC didn't bother to mention that Lohachare Island disappeared 22 years ago and that the entire region of The Sundarbans is a river delta, or that the disappearance of the island has been attributed to erosion, not global warming.

All of this provides solid evidence that Christopher C. Horner is right on target in his charge that the whole global warming business is nothing but pure politics — a means by which the left can take control of just about every human activity worldwide.

The real purpose behind the global warming movement is the establishment of a world socialist order under the control of the United Nations.

Global warming is what I've been saying it is since 1997: a lot of globaloney.

Phil Brennan is a veteran journalist who writes for NewsMax.com. He is editor and publisher of Wednesday on the Web (http://www.pvbr.com) and was Washington columnist for National Review magazine in the 1960s.

He also served as a staff aide for the House Republican Policy Committee and helped handle the Washington public relations operation for the Alaska Statehood Committee which won statehood for Alaska.

He is also a trustee of the Lincoln Heritage Institute and a member of the Association For Intelligence Officers.

He can be reached at pvb@pvbr.com.
Nice article :!:
By Hold My Own
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like JF said...when I'm spraying on my hair spray in the morning I put two puff's in the air for the environment
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By Brokeback Flamer
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Any guess to which one I voted for???? I have plenty of room on my ranch for AG, LUREAL, Paradox and my "extra special" friend TALLY!!! That way if they are wrong and it is global COOLING we can keep each other warm
By 4everfsu
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Something about keeping warm with brokeback, :oops:
By LUconn
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Apparently, our fair city has somewhat of a global warming expert.

and he had this to say in today's letter to the editor:


Falwell's convenient myth about the planet's future

After Jerry Falwell placed a newspaper ad publicizing his sermon of this past Sunday, “The Myth of Global Warming,” featuring a picture of Al Gore’s face, a couple of my neighbors suggested that I should hear what he had to say: They knew that last month I was invited to Nashville to be part of Al Gore’s Climate Project, which has trained others to give the slide show which Gore has given himself countless times, and which is the basis of the film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

A couple of years ago, Mr. Falwell became quite ill. During his health crisis, he received the ministrations of fine doctors here in Lynchburg. It’s a good thing, too: Mr. Falwell almost certainly would have died without medical attention, as he had stopped breathing. The science of medicine is built on observations of the human body that have accrued over millennia, many of which date only from the past century. So, too, with the Earth, has this past century been a time of explosive growth in controlled observation and investigation into how our planet works.

The essence of Falwell’s lecture Sunday was to say that, while the planet is indeed warming a “little bit,” we should do nothing about it except trust in God, and accept neither the advice nor ministrations of those new global doctors, the climatologists, a worldwide chorus of whom have just expressed grave concern about global warming, in their recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report.

He said that this “little bit” of warming was not dangerous because it was within “natural variability.” Although the IPCC states that it is now more than 90 percent certain that observable warming is due to human activity, Falwell was concerned with what the Bible “has to say about global warming,” which consisted of the following: “While the Earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease” (Genesis 8:22).

Sure. Until our sun becomes so hot as to liquidate the Earth (don’t worry - a good billion years from now), there will be many forms of life growing, variations of climate as well as seasons, and the Earth still spinning on its axis. This says little about our fate, however, and a scientist could also tell you that the fabled “fertile crescent,” once the agricultural center of the civilizations described elsewhere in that Bible, lies today in the middle of the Syrian desert. That says more about the comforts of “variability.”

Falwell frequently referred to environmental “alarmists,” but it was curious how alarmist he was in alluding to unsupported claims that trillions of dollars that would be lost to the U.S. economy, should we try to combat global warming. In fact, some of the world’s most well-respected economists have recently begun to quantify the appalling loss to the world economy should we fail to address global warming right now.

Scientifically ignorant, he made fun of the fact that scientists back in the 1970s spoke about “global cooling.” Today, it’s global warming! Those foolish scientists! In fact, most industrial activity which puts out CO2, warming the planet, does so through combustion processes that also release particulate matter - aerosols which cool the planet because they block incoming sunlight. Temperatures were indeed falling slightly from the 1940s through the 1970s. It is now reasonably well understood that the build-up of industrial particulates was during that period outstripping the warming effect of the greenhouse gases. Ironically, the Clean Air Act and other legislation of the 1970s probably tipped the balance, removing many particulates without slowing the buildup of warming gases, accelerating global warming. That fact should not make an anti-environmentalist feel righteous: There might be somewhat less warming now had we continued without such pollution controls, but we would still have the same looming crisis. Ocean chemistry sets an upward limit to CO2 in the current climate regime. Beyond about 600 ppm of CO2 (reachable by the middle of this century in a “business-as-usual” scenario), enough would dissolve in the sea to catastrophically affect the coccolithophores, phytoplankton which are vitally important to the global carbon cycle, as well as to the formation of clouds over the seas, which help to cool the planet. This would be like the loss of a major organ of the whole planet, and our situation would be near to hopeless once such a threshold was passed.

James Hansen, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute, and perhaps the world’s preeminent climatologist, has recently begun to say that we probably have at most 10 years to begin getting things under control.

Fortunately, a great number of evangelicals have now broken with views like Falwell’s. When Falwell got home from the hospital two years ago, he joked, “This time, I’m taking it a lot more seriously, because I’ve had two altercations with death, and even a dumb guy will learn something after a while.” With the Earth, we probably won’t get a second chance, never mind Falwell’s third one, and such pleasantries will never get to be told.

NATHAN CURRIER

Lynchburg
the N&A did a story about him a week ago. Apparently he's been taught by the world's leading climatetologist, Al Gore. And by "leading climatologist" I acutally mean, former vice president who is not a climatologist.

http://www.newsadvance.com/servlet/Sate ... 58588&path
By Hold My Own
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I'm in the middle of this poll...sure we can see changes...but i still laugh...JF's sermon was pretty good sunday...i enjoyed it
By thepostman
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this whole thing is being blown up into a larger issue then it needs to be by BOTH SIDES....Al Gore makes himself look like an idiot on a daily basis...just let him do it....this is far from a church issue and I don't see why Jerry needs to take a Sunday to "preach" about global warming....there are much bigger moral issues in the world....lets just take care of what we got and stop this talk about global freaking warming....there is proof on both sides of this which tells me that there could be a change, but not enough to hurt anything...so lets just take care of what we have and stop all this crap....its getting old
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By PAmedic
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so Mr Currier's point is "yes, pollution controls in the 70's admittedly DID accelerate global warming- but at least we averted the second ice age. Besides, pollution today (despite the aforementioned controls that had such a significant effect :roll: ) is worse anyway and we would have had MORE global warming."

also, nice to see all his supporting documentation while he was slamming the Rev for being a hack. :D

Al Gore and " some of the world’s most well-respected economists " said so.

OHHHHHHH :shock:

well, good enough for me. that cinches it, then. "some" guys said so. But not Jerry. Whew. :roll:
By Libertine
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thepostman wrote:this whole thing is being blown up into a larger issue then it needs to be by BOTH SIDES....Al Gore makes himself look like an idiot on a daily basis...just let him do it....this is far from a church issue and I don't see why Jerry needs to take a Sunday to "preach" about global warming....there are much bigger moral issues in the world....lets just take care of what we got and stop this talk about global freaking warming....there is proof on both sides of this which tells me that there could be a change, but not enough to hurt anything...so lets just take care of what we have and stop all this crap....its getting old
I agree with you and, in fact, that was part of what Jerry said in the sermon. Unfortunately, this topic has taken a certain degree of hold in the church, particularly in some large influential churches out west -- <cough> Baddlesack! <cough>. Enough so, that you could make the argument that the whole global warming question in the church threatens to break up the church's traditionally conservative voting bloc. I think that that's why Jerry felt the topic had to be addressed.
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By El Scorcho
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Apparently the key to the problem is out of this world...
UFO science key to halting climate change: former Canadian defense minister

OTTAWA (AFP) - A former Canadian defense minister is demanding governments worldwide disclose and use secret alien technologies obtained in alleged UFO crashes to stem climate change, a local paper said Wednesday.

"I would like to see what (alien) technology there might be that could eliminate the burning of fossil fuels within a generation ... that could be a way to save our planet," Paul Hellyer, 83, told the Ottawa Citizen.

Alien spacecrafts would have traveled vast distances to reach Earth, and so must be equipped with advanced propulsion systems or used exceptional fuels, he told the newspaper.

Such alien technologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossil fuels, he said, pointing to the enigmatic 1947 incident in Roswell, New Mexico -- which has become a shrine for UFO believers -- as an example of alien contact.

"We need to persuade governments to come clean on what they know. Some of us suspect they know quite a lot, and it might be enough to save our planet if applied quickly enough," he said.

Hellyer became defense minister in former prime minister Lester Pearson's cabinet in 1963, and oversaw the controversial integration and unification of Canada's army, air force and navy into the Canadian Forces.

He shocked Canadians in September 2005 by announcing he once saw a UFO.
By Libertine
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El Scorcho wrote:
Alien spacecrafts would have traveled vast distances to reach Earth, and so must be equipped with advanced propulsion systems or used exceptional fuels, he told the newspaper.

Such alien technologies could offer humanity alternatives to fossil fuels
That's ridiculous! Everybody knows that alien spacecraft are powered by lukewarm fission and methane reactions! God!
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