[Just John]

* Calling a student retarded

* Tweeting Russell Moore: “Who are you @drmoore? Have you ever made a payroll? Have you ever built an organization of any type from scratch? What gives you authority to speak on any issue? I’m being serious. You’re nothing but an employee- a bureaucrat.”

This last tweet to me was about the height of his arrogance and perhaps an insight into his character. Whether you agree with Russell Moore's point or not (on the treatment of illegal immigrant's children being separated from their parents), it doesn't come anywhere close to meriting such a response. It's already been said here, and the BOT knows, that Jr has a drinking problem. Is this something you tweet under the influence? For Jr's sake, I kind of hope it is. I don't want to think under normal circumstances he would treat someone like that.

[rogers3]

* Calling a student retarded

* Tweeting Russell Moore: “Who are you @drmoore? Have you ever made a payroll? Have you ever built an organization of any type from scratch? What gives you authority to speak on any issue? I’m being serious. You’re nothing but an employee- a bureaucrat.”

This last tweet to me was about the height of his arrogance and perhaps an insight into his character. Whether you agree with Russell Moore's point or not (on the treatment of illegal immigrant's children being separated from their parents), it doesn't come anywhere close to meriting such a response. It's already been said here, and the BOT knows, that Jr has a drinking problem. Is this something you tweet under the influence? For Jr's sake, I kind of hope it is. I don't want to think under normal circumstances he would treat someone like that.

That Russell Moore comment is funny. I'd bet my bottom dollar that Jerry doesn't have much experience in those things either. I'm sure he has never darkened the halls in the HR office. Maybe by "building payroll," he means directing subordinates to keep payscales artificially low.

[Jonathan Carone]

Don’t forget the end those Muslims comments.

[prototype]

That's a good question. I would argue that if the board tries to bring Jerry back and Jonathan does not step in - that would be negligence. I get that he wants to be hands off, but he really needs to step up if that ends up being the only remaining option.

Why exactly should Jonathan step in and stop Jerry, Jr. from assuming his position again? Can you please give me a list of the things you think makes him GUILTY? Not mentioning Rumors, Gossip, embellished stories, opinion and personal feelings towards him politically?

- Tweeting "pastors like David Platt need to grow a pair"
- Tweeting about his Northam mask and then a non-apology a few weeks later
- Tweeting insults at parents of LU students
- Tweeting insults at Christian music artist Ben Rector after he performed at LU and there was some type of disagreement with him
- Saying the photos of him at the Miami night club were likely photoshopped
- Mocking former professor (current professor at the time of the tweet) Marydavis Baggett on twitter "Bet the “Baggett” lady is embarrassed now!"
- Posting the Yacht pics and video, and then doing the horrible radio interview about it (while sounding intoxicated)

I am a Trump supporter and my reasons for wanting Jerry gone have nothing to do with Trump. Regardless of politics, the things I listed are still relevant. These things are more than enough reasons in my personal opinion for a new president (oops am I allowed to give my opinion?). I don't think his behavior as president aligns with our school's values. So there's your list (no rumors, gossip, embellishment, I guess some opinion?, and nothing political) - I hope that fits your ridiculous guidelines. Anyone who reads this thread should already have a good idea of the "list". I'm not sure why you say "guilty", its not a trial but many agree that his behavior warrants a removal, but I do not refer to Jerry as "guilty." Also, I love how you say to list the things that "I think" make him guilty, but then also request that I don't use any personal opinion. I'm not sure how you expect that to work. It's a message board after all - It's a place to read other opinions.

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

[Class of 20Something]

Don’t forget the end those Muslims comments.

That one was genuinely terrible articulation. Days after the San Bernardino shooting that was clearly a jihadist doing.

I am a man of faith and value human life but anyone with any LE background will tell you the fastest way to end an active shooter situation is armed intervention. I've taught hundreds on armed active shooter response. His words were incorrectly chosen but the sentiment was clearly a reaction to a terrorist attack on US soil and that preventing loss of life of innocent Liberty students and faculty was the intent behind his poorly chosen words.

[Jonathan Carone]

I don’t mind the sentiment behind it, but if we’re talking patterns of missteps, that’s one of them. There’s a gravity to the public relations of leading a university in 2020 that he just doesn’t grasp.

[thepostman]

I agree with you @Class of 20Something but the fact of the matter those are the words he used. Again, by itself it isn't a big deal but combined with everything else it just creates the case he is not the right fit to lead a Christian University.

At the time, I didn't think it was a huge deal but then he just continued to put his foot in his mouth or tweet out something ridiculous, etc etc.

I do tend to agree that tweets alone are not ground to terminate his employment but clearly there is more to the story than what is being made public. There is a good reason the board never mentioned a reason for the indefinite leave of absence. There is more to this story and only time will tell if it is ever released to the University community.

[Purple Haize]

Did you just pull a Sly AND a ballcoach?

[thepostman]

Hahahaha, not intentionally.

I mean all you have to do is read between the lines. You've been around Liberty long enough. It is why you have mentioned the fact the board hasn't mentioned a why as of yet. It is clear there is more to this story.

[bluedevilflame]

Remember when Jerry called the LUPD Chief a half wit? We should add that to the list too.

[hoop20]

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

No problem Prototype. There is definitely some repetition. Absolutely, they should discuss his twitter usage with him. My personal opinion is that if your school president can't be "trusted" or "allowed" to use social media, he probably is not the right person for such a public role.... In regards to him sounding intoxicated on the call, that's just my personal opinion, although others on the board have echoed that sentiment. For those who don't see it that way, I can understand calling a big assumption. Regardless of what state he was in during that interview, I think saying " I promised my kids I will try to be a good boy from here on out” is a bit concerning. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[ballah09]

Sorry proto but calling students retards, parents dumb, clubbing, drinking, shady business deals, bragging and showing pics about his sex life, calling out pastors, the racist mask...He doesn't deserve any role at Liberty.

Would you extend this grace if he was a Liberal? Probably not.

[Purple Haize]

Sorry proto but calling students retards, parents dumb, clubbing, drinking, shady business deals, bragging and showing pics about his sex life, calling out pastors, the racist mask...He doesn't deserve any role at Liberty.

Would you extend this grace if he was a Liberal? Probably not.

Trying to think of another University President say at UVA or Stanford or Michigan calling one of their students retards.

[Just John]

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

[prototype]

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

[Purple Haize]

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

Junior literally said it was a party on the boat

[bluedevilflame]

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

Junior literally said it was a party on the boat

Because it was. With dark water.

[flameshaw]

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

Agree:
1. Mask wasn't racist..................... however, it was really dumb.
2. Snowflakes abound.
3. Let the BOT handle it.

It was a party. After numerous "screwups" there must be consequences. Common knowledge, there is an alcohol problem, no church attendance. I am sure the BOT, did not take the action they did, based on a few innocent things. There are other things, that we will find out about in time. Bottom line, not behavior consistent with that of the leader of the world's largest Christian university.
I like Jr. a lot. I hope he gets the spiritual, physical, help he needs. I wish nothing but the best for LU, TRBC, etc.

[rogers3]

Thanks Hoop for summarizing. Trying to keep up with a 2670 page thread has been difficult. A lot of post just say the same thing over and over. All the things you mentioned are not fireable offenses, IMO. Maybe something the BOT should have a discussion with him about twitter and not to be quick to tweet. Maybe a suspension, but not firing. Sounding intoxicated? Really... That's a pretty BIG Assumption.

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

This gets one fired in the business world. Denigrating customers, creating a hostile work environment, breaking organizational rules... All legitimate reasons to fire an employee under VEC guidelines.

[prototype]

Hmmm. Just WHAT IS your red line? You are saying just a "maybe" to a "discussion" and/or a "suspension".

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

This gets one fired in the business world. Denigrating customers, creating a hostile work environment, breaking organizational rules... All legitimate reasons to fire an employee under VEC guidelines.

I don’t think so. Know many crude business owners and CEOs. Called freedom of speech. Not always tasteful, but if we get fired for everything we put on social or say - we would have no business leaders. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be disciplined - just not fired.

[thepostman]

Liberty is a Christian University and so therefore the standards are going to be higher than your everyday business. That is part of the deal.

[LUconn]

I don't understand why the school needs to put up with it anymore. There are other people who can do it.

Also I just saw a video that he posted today, which has since been removed of him performing some kind of thrusting exercise with 2 college girls standing on the barbell... so it continues even on double secret probation

[LUconn]

https://julieroys.com/falwell-bizarre-video-bikini/

[LUconn]

Sorry, I misread. That video is from 2018

[ballah09]

I think Jerry has earned a few screwups. Don't want to hear about masks and boat thing anymore - those were both blown way out of proportion and one wasn't racist and the other wasn't a party on a boat. My redline is letting BOT handle and trust they know what they are doing. We all say stupid things - doesn't mean we shouldn't be employed. We live in a snowflake society these days.

This gets one fired in the business world. Denigrating customers, creating a hostile work environment, breaking organizational rules... All legitimate reasons to fire an employee under VEC guidelines.

I don’t think so. Know many crude business owners and CEOs. Called freedom of speech. Not always tasteful, but if we get fired for everything we put on social or say - we would have no business leaders. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be disciplined - just not fired.

So would you elect an official or shop at a business that calls you or anyone in your family a retard? Would you be ok to let your wife or daughter to work at a business where their boss would share sexy pics or make them feel low about themselves?I bet you wouldn't and would demand that boss to be fired.