[TH Spangler]

Nothing odd, after 10 year, of someone getting tired of reading Super Jon's spin.

No, it is odd behavior. Instead of joining together and praying for Jerry, you'd rather dwell on the past and things that have absolutely nothing to do with this. You somehow made something unifying into something about your personal grudge. So yes, it is very odd.

From an immediate Falwell family member to a staff member, the board has already told Jr., “You’re done here.”

Take that for what it’s worth.

Any mention of when a formal announcement will be? Seems odd to slap the indefinite label on it and keep his bio up on the website if this was indeed a permanent move.

Well, the wind has laid out for the week. That gets a fisherman excited. So I'm getting ready to hit the road for coast and a rondevu with the skiff. But I'll leave you with this before I go. First, some of "you" think I'm a big donor and personal friend of Jr's. Wrong. I've met him one time and I believe Manson was seated beside me. He had read one of the first post I made here, about my family sending "very small" but very "sacrificial" gifts to Doc when he was getting started and when he was about to lose the school. He replied to the post and I invited him to my seat to say hello to Mom and Dad. Next game he walks up. For Mom and Dad I sacrificially donated to the Flames club so they could come to games and enjoy use of the elevators. And to see what had become of their gifts. I racked up a lot of points then, but since Mom and Dad took the big elevator home I've settle back to the cheap seats near the student section, where all the real fun is.

As far as JC goes. I stumbled across one of his blogs 10 years ago where he was writing about how he had a bad habit of spinning things on the internet to aggravate people. Well he's succeeded again . His so called open letter didn't cover the stuff he publicly shared with friends on facebook page about why he doesn't like Jr. Something that happened years ago while in school. Now he's here spinning this social justice theology, which is dangerous. And talking about how the racicial culture at Liberty is bad. Well, where was he when Aca Chapman (minority athlete) needed prayer. Where was he when Danny Rocco was trying to give to black players a second chance, like we all need. Where was he when my hero Turner Gill suffered a loss on the field, but still "using his tagline" gave God all the glory ..... win or lose. I'm' so thankful Gill is back. The difference he was making in young men's lives was priceless.

I'm sure the board will make the right decisions on the chancellor's position. And my guess is Jr will be happy with it as long as it advances his father's vision for Liberty.

Now, I'm gone fishing. Hopefully when I get back you guys will have the schedule figured out. Go Flames.

[thepostman]

I'm not sure who thought that about you, it certinaly wasn't me but I hope you enjoy your fishing trip and come back feeling refreshed!

[olldflame]

From an immediate Falwell family member to a staff member, the board has already told Jr., “You’re done here.”

Take that for what it’s worth.

If so, I have to believe there is way more than what we have heard. Either something way worse, a whole lot more of the same crap, or (and this would be the saddest) an unrepentant attitude which makes them believe nothing is going to change if he stays.

[Jonathan Carone]

I’ve had a few conversations recently about the TRBC nuclear option. Jerry being on their board throws several wrenches in that. On top of that, Jonathan has said he was going to leave his brother to God and not step in.

Here’s a question I don’t have the answer to:

If one of the responsibilities of TRBC is making sure the spiritual nature of Liberty doesn’t drift or diminish, at what point is Jonathan negligent as their senior pastor if he doesn’t step in? I understand he doesn’t want to, but if part of his job description is that responsibility, when should he be expected to do the thing that is harder than anything I could imagine professionally?

I don’t know that answer.

[Purple Haize]

Do we know the specifics as to why Junior was actually placed on a LOA? I don’t recall hearing specific reasons and all I hear is speculation

[Whatisthetruth]

I’ve had a few conversations recently about the TRBC nuclear option. Jerry being on their board throws several wrenches in that. On top of that, Jonathan has said he was going to leave his brother to God and not step in.

Here’s a question I don’t have the answer to:

If one of the responsibilities of TRBC is making sure the spiritual nature of Liberty doesn’t drift or diminish, at what point is Jonathan negligent as their senior pastor if he doesn’t step in? I understand he doesn’t want to, but if part of his job description is that responsibility, when should he be expected to do the thing that is harder than anything I could imagine professionally?

I don’t know that answer.

Hi Jonathan,

As much as I hate to criticize Jonathan, I think he isn't performing his duties when it comes to this issue.

[hoop20]

I’ve had a few conversations recently about the TRBC nuclear option. Jerry being on their board throws several wrenches in that. On top of that, Jonathan has said he was going to leave his brother to God and not step in.

Here’s a question I don’t have the answer to:

If one of the responsibilities of TRBC is making sure the spiritual nature of Liberty doesn’t drift or diminish, at what point is Jonathan negligent as their senior pastor if he doesn’t step in? I understand he doesn’t want to, but if part of his job description is that responsibility, when should he be expected to do the thing that is harder than anything I could imagine professionally?

I don’t know that answer.

That's a good question. I would argue that if the board tries to bring Jerry back and Jonathan does not step in - that would be negligence. I get that he wants to be hands off, but he really needs to step up if that ends up being the only remaining option.

[Just John]

I’ve had a few conversations recently about the TRBC nuclear option. Jerry being on their board throws several wrenches in that. On top of that, Jonathan has said he was going to leave his brother to God and not step in.

Here’s a question I don’t have the answer to:

If one of the responsibilities of TRBC is making sure the spiritual nature of Liberty doesn’t drift or diminish, at what point is Jonathan negligent as their senior pastor if he doesn’t step in? I understand he doesn’t want to, but if part of his job description is that responsibility, when should he be expected to do the thing that is harder than anything I could imagine professionally?

I don’t know that answer.

That's a good question. I would argue that if the board tries to bring Jerry back and Jonathan does not step in - that would be negligence. I get that he wants to be hands off, but he really needs to step up if that ends up being the only remaining option.

As of this moment, it will not come to that.

[PAmedic]

[Just John]

I have heard two different stories of how Jr. ruptured his spleen. I wasn't around at the time. I understand he was "out for several months". Did anyone visit him or did he come to campus during his convalescence?

[Purple Haize]

1- I have never heard that he ruptured his spleen
2 - I have yet to hear an official specific reason why he’s on his current LOA

[olldflame]

1- I have never heard that he ruptured his spleen
2 - I have yet to hear an official specific reason why he’s on his current LOA

Ruptured spleens are almost always a result of a pretty severe trauma to the abdomen. Most likely cause would be an auto accident.

[Purple Haize]

1- I have never heard that he ruptured his spleen
2 - I have yet to hear an official specific reason why he’s on his current LOA

Ruptured spleens are almost always a result of a pretty severe trauma to the abdomen. Most likely cause would be an auto accident.

When did he have a ruptured spleen?

[Whatisthetruth]

1- I have never heard that he ruptured his spleen
2 - I have yet to hear an official specific reason why he’s on his current LOA

He was horsing around with some kids and one of them hit him in his abdomen rather hard and that is what caused it.

[Whatisthetruth]

I have heard two different stories of how Jr. ruptured his spleen. I wasn't around at the time. I understand he was "out for several months". Did anyone visit him or did he come to campus during his convalescence?

Of course, losing a spleen compromises the immune system to some degree.

[prototype]

I’ve had a few conversations recently about the TRBC nuclear option. Jerry being on their board throws several wrenches in that. On top of that, Jonathan has said he was going to leave his brother to God and not step in.

Here’s a question I don’t have the answer to:

If one of the responsibilities of TRBC is making sure the spiritual nature of Liberty doesn’t drift or diminish, at what point is Jonathan negligent as their senior pastor if he doesn’t step in? I understand he doesn’t want to, but if part of his job description is that responsibility, when should he be expected to do the thing that is harder than anything I could imagine professionally?

I don’t know that answer.

That's a good question. I would argue that if the board tries to bring Jerry back and Jonathan does not step in - that would be negligence. I get that he wants to be hands off, but he really needs to step up if that ends up being the only remaining option.

Why exactly should Jonathan step in and stop Jerry, Jr. from assuming his position again? Can you please give me a list of the things you think makes him GUILTY? Not mentioning Rumors, Gossip, embellished stories, opinion and personal feelings towards him politically?

[olldflame]

If the TRBC Board is actually constituted as shown in the link posted here, I can't imagine a scenario where that "Nuclear Option" would be used. Only 6 voting members is a farce to begin with, and 3 of them (JR, Jonathon and Carroll Hudson) are also on the university board. The other 3 are local guys, and relative lightweights. That whole situation reeks of a legal move to preserve Liberty's tax exempt status.

[thepostman]

Why exactly should Jonathan step in and stop Jerry, Jr. from assuming his position again? Can you please give me a list of the things you think makes him GUILTY? Not mentioning Rumors, Gossip, embellished stories, opinion and personal feelings towards him politically?

Read through this thread and there is plenty of justification, in my mind, to remove him from his current position. I have said it several times, but if he regains his focus, I'd much rather him fill a consultant role behind the scenes. When he is focused, he is a very valuable asset but maybe not front and center.

But anybody who knows how Liberty works, knows whatever proof is found for a list of wrong doings will not be released to the public. So the "show me the proof" argument just doesn't work. I know what I have been told from people I trust but there is no way to prove anything because the board keeps everything very close to their chest. Even if they decide to move on from Jr permanently, we won't know the details.

I do wish people would stop bringing Jr's support for Trump into this argument. I understand why some people voted for Trump and to me, that isn’t the problem. The way he tried to justify Trump's poor behavior and compared him to Jesus were unsettling but he has since backed off those comments. The Trump stuff is what it is and by no means reason for removal. Those who suggest that, aren't doing their cause any favors.

[Class of 20Something]

I need someone to post an itemized list of issues under a pen name.

Things that should be considered,

The president needs a "conduct unbecoming" clause.

The board also has an obligation to protect the University from negative press and to maintain and build the reputation of the university. If the president undermines that, it is their duty to search for and employ a new president.

[Purple Haize]

I’ve had a few conversations recently about the TRBC nuclear option. Jerry being on their board throws several wrenches in that. On top of that, Jonathan has said he was going to leave his brother to God and not step in.

Here’s a question I don’t have the answer to:

If one of the responsibilities of TRBC is making sure the spiritual nature of Liberty doesn’t drift or diminish, at what point is Jonathan negligent as their senior pastor if he doesn’t step in? I understand he doesn’t want to, but if part of his job description is that responsibility, when should he be expected to do the thing that is harder than anything I could imagine professionally?

I don’t know that answer.

That's a good question. I would argue that if the board tries to bring Jerry back and Jonathan does not step in - that would be negligence. I get that he wants to be hands off, but he really needs to step up if that ends up being the only remaining option.

Why exactly should Jonathan step in and stop Jerry, Jr. from assuming his position again? Can you please give me a list of the things you think makes him GUILTY? Not mentioning Rumors, Gossip, embellished stories, opinion and personal feelings towards him politically?

He was forced to take a Leave of Absence. SOMETHING or some THINGS happened.

[prototype]

Why exactly should Jonathan step in and stop Jerry, Jr. from assuming his position again? Can you please give me a list of the things you think makes him GUILTY? Not mentioning Rumors, Gossip, embellished stories, opinion and personal feelings towards him politically?

Read through this thread and there is plenty of justification, in my mind, to remove him from his current position. I have said it several times, but if he regains his focus, I'd much rather him fill a consultant role behind the scenes. When he is focused, he is a very valuable asset but maybe not front and center.

But anybody who knows how Liberty works, knows whatever proof is found for a list of wrong doings will not be released to the public. So the "show me the proof" argument just doesn't work. I know what I have been told from people I trust but there is no way to prove anything because the board keeps everything very close to their chest. Even if they decide to move on from Jr permanently, we won't know the details.

I do wish people would stop bringing Jr's support for Trump into this argument. I understand why some people voted for Trump and to me, that isn’t the problem. The way he tried to justify Trump's poor behavior and compared him to Jesus were unsettling but he has since backed off those comments. The Trump stuff is what it is and by no means reason for removal. Those who suggest that, aren't doing their cause any favors.

I have read through this thread. Sound like a lot of assumptions and a lot of bitterness by ex-employees who didn't like his leadership style. Also give a list of things he has done to better the University - buildings, athletics, endowment, engagement with students, growing number of students, etc...

[Jonathan Carone]

None of this is about Trump. I don’t even think it’s about the real estate.

It’s about Jerry’s lack of personal responsibility, his unwillingness to have any spiritual responsibility, and his treatment of others.

No list posted here would satisfy the pro-Jerry crowd because they have bought into a cult of personality and/or only look at the money. The list has been made over and over throughout this thread and in letters/petitions from alumni.

[Jonathan Carone]

Another thing - the pro-Jerry crowd are always so quick to point out “ex-employees” or “disgruntled former workers” as the reason these things get out. The sheer amount of people who are being classified as those things should throw up at least a warning flag that maybe things aren’t the way they should be. You don’t produce rotten fruit if you’re healthy yourself. Why are ex-employees at Liberty so different (in number, in frustration, in willingness to speak out) than ones at other schools?

[Purple Haize]

None of this is about Trump. I don’t even think it’s about the real estate.

It’s about Jerry’s lack of personal responsibility, his unwillingness to have any spiritual responsibility, and his treatment of others.

No list posted here would satisfy the pro-Jerry crowd because they have bought into a cult of personality and/or only look at the money. The list has been made over and over throughout this thread and in letters/petitions from alumni.

I have a call into my doctor at the moment. It could be The Rona. Could be Ebola. But the main symptom is that I find myself agreeing with you

[thepostman]

I have read through this thread. Sound like a lot of assumptions and a lot of bitterness by ex-employees who didn't like his leadership style. Also give a list of things he has done to better the University - buildings, athletics, endowment, engagement with students, growing number of students, etc...

Have you really read through this thread? That had been done in this thread and he is given so much credit for that!

However, It is not a solid argument to keep him in his role as president. It it is why I have advocated that he comes back as a consultant if he corrects whatever the board determined he did wrong. He just shouldn't be the head of a Christian University in my opinion.