[TH Spangler]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

Slippery slope.

[rogers3]

I suspect (and hope) the reality is somewhere between "It's a leave of absence. He could come back tomorrow" and they are just looking for a replacement before he is dismissed. Several have said "he's had plenty of chances", but I tend to disagree. If you are never held accountable for your actions, you tend to think they are acceptable. The only time I recall anyone on the board calling him out on anything was when Mark DeMoss questioned his decision to support Trump so early, and we all know how that turned out. I am hopeful that a legitimate, robust restoration plan with accountability is being put in place, and praying that JR will take it seriously and get his act together.

I would counter that with the expectation of a person at his level being rather principles and having a certain self discipline. He isn't a child, but having been rather petulant for most of his life, I guess some will give him a pass.

[Jonathan Carone]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

He’s been rolling the last few years given the things that have been going on.

[TH Spangler]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

He’s been rolling the last few years given the things that have been going on.

Maybe not. In many instances
jr is a chip off the old block.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/211 ... ry-falwell

[olldflame]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

He’s been rolling the last few years given the things that have been going on.

Some of them, yes. He wasn't just against drinking, he hated it, mostly because his father was an alcoholic. He would never have supported Trump in the primaries with options like Cruz, Carson and Rubio available.

[thepostman]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

He’s been rolling the last few years given the things that have been going on.

Maybe not. In many instances
jr is a chip off the old block.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/211 ... ry-falwell

Those are all well known around here. Good try though!

[TH Spangler]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

He’s been rolling the last few years given the things that have been going on.

Some of them, yes. He wasn't just against drinking, he hated it, mostly because his father was an alcoholic. He would never have supported Trump in the primaries with options like Cruz, Carson and Rubio available.

Trump shares Doc's experience with Alcohol. Brother.

[flamehunter]

Doc would roll over in his grave if Liberty ever offered tenure. Having said that, I'm not against it if handled properly, which means somewhat differently than most places The process would need to involve more than just academics.

He’s been rolling the last few years given the things that have been going on.

Maybe not. In many instances
jr is a chip off the old block.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/211 ... ry-falwell

Jr's behavior in no way resembles Doc's. Different motivation and heart. Don't dishonor his memory that way.

[TH Spangler]

Those are all well known around here. Good try though!

Good try

[thepostman]

Those are all well known around here. Good try though!

Good try

You tried to paint Jr as being more like his father by sharing an article written about "8 Things You Didn't Know About Jerry Falwell" except most on here know about those things and few of them are traits of Jr.

But good try trying to stick up for Jr.

[Whatisthetruth]

Hindsight is 20/20

[LUOrange]

Tenure is something you need to offer if you want to attract and keep the best and the brightest

I think you offer tenure, but with a very clear definition of how and when they can remove the professor, i.e, speaking out against Biblical principals, moral clause, etc.

[TH Spangler]

Those are all well known around here. Good try though!

Good try

You tried to paint Jr as being more like his father by sharing an article written about "8 Things You Didn't Know About Jerry Falwell" except most on here know about those things and few of them are traits of Jr.

But good try trying to stick up for Jr.

Not sticking up for anyone. Just pointing out some characteristics Jr and Doc share. Both big cut ups, pranksters. Neither afraid to engage pop culture. Both love people, politics and sports. Doc was more aware of the danger alcoholism poses for some folks.

A difference, one was a minister and the other a administrator.

I really haven't decided how I would like for this to play out. I'm thinking it might be good for Libery to shed the Falwell and DeMoss names. Let everyone know its bigger than a couple of families.

This is a make or break moment for Liberty. Move away from what Doc loved, Christ, educating young people, politics, sports and you could see a rapid decline. That would be celebrated by the left.

[ballah09]

Liberty already offers tenure to law and school of medicine professors. SOM professors don't have to sign statement of faith. They should extend that to regular professors as well. We need better quality of professors and tenure will attract them.

[Purple Haize]

Good try

You tried to paint Jr as being more like his father by sharing an article written about "8 Things You Didn't Know About Jerry Falwell" except most on here know about those things and few of them are traits of Jr.

But good try trying to stick up for Jr.

Not sticking up for anyone. Just pointing out some characteristics Jr and Doc share. Both big cut ups, pranksters. Neither afraid to engage pop culture. Both love people, politics and sports. Doc was more aware of the danger alcoholism poses for some folks.

A difference, one was a minister and the other a administrator.

I really haven't decided how I would like for this to play out. I'm thinking it might be good for Libery to shed the Falwell and DeMoss names. Let everyone know its bigger than a couple of families.

This is a make or break moment for Liberty. Move away from what Doc loved, Christ, educating young people, politics, sports and you could see a rapid decline. That would be celebrated by the left.

Dude you are waaaay off. Junior is nowhere near the people person his dad was. Nor does he have the personality or sense of humor. They both engaged in politics but not sure about love of sports. Just look at game attendance between the two. He is not his father and that’s ok. Trying to equate the two is a fool’s errand

[thepostman]

Good try

You tried to paint Jr as being more like his father by sharing an article written about "8 Things You Didn't Know About Jerry Falwell" except most on here know about those things and few of them are traits of Jr.

But good try trying to stick up for Jr.

Not sticking up for anyone. Just pointing out some characteristics Jr and Doc share. Both big cut ups, pranksters. Neither afraid to engage pop culture. Both love people, politics and sports. Doc was more aware of the danger alcoholism poses for some folks.

A difference, one was a minister and the other a administrator.

I really haven't decided how I would like for this to play out. I'm thinking it might be good for Libery to shed the Falwell and DeMoss names. Let everyone know its bigger than a couple of families.

This is a make or break moment for Liberty. Move away from what Doc loved, Christ, educating young people, politics, sports and you could see a rapid decline. That would be celebrated by the left.

I'd argue we have already seen a shift from the focus being Christ first. Doc was without a doubt political but i don't think anybody close to him ever doubted that Christ came first in his life. That is the huge difference. Also the many times doc apologized for going too far with his words and the humility he showed over and over in his life. Those are the key differences. If we continued go move forward with Jr as our president then I fully believe we would turn into a Christian school by name only.

Nobody has ever expected Jr to fill his Dad's shoes but one must show the fruits of rhe spirit in order to lead a Christian organization and right now there just isn't much fruit.

@TH Spangler I am not familiar with your background with Liberty but were you around the school much when Sr was around?

[TH Spangler]

You tried to paint Jr as being more like his father by sharing an article written about "8 Things You Didn't Know About Jerry Falwell" except most on here know about those things and few of them are traits of Jr.

But good try trying to stick up for Jr.

Not sticking up for anyone. Just pointing out some characteristics Jr and Doc share. Both big cut ups, pranksters. Neither afraid to engage pop culture. Both love people, politics and sports. Doc was more aware of the danger alcoholism poses for some folks.

A difference, one was a minister and the other a administrator.

I really haven't decided how I would like for this to play out. I'm thinking it might be good for Libery to shed the Falwell and DeMoss names. Let everyone know its bigger than a couple of families.

This is a make or break moment for Liberty. Move away from what Doc loved, Christ, educating young people, politics, sports and you could see a rapid decline. That would be celebrated by the left.

I'd argue we have already seen a shift from the focus being Christ first. Doc was without a doubt political but i don't think anybody close to him ever doubted that Christ came first in his life. That is the huge difference. Also the many times doc apologized for going too far with his words and the humility he showed over and over in his life. Those are the key differences. If we continued go move forward with Jr as our president then I fully believe we would turn into a Christian school by name only.

Nobody has ever expected Jr to fill his Dad's shoes but one must show the fruits of rhe spirit in order to lead a Christian organization and right now there just isn't much fruit.

@TH Spangler I am not familiar with your background with Liberty but were you around the school much when Sr was around?

Was enroll to transfer there in 78, but landed a career position in aviation. Have 5 family members that are alumni, 1 to go.

When I said name change I meant at the top. I don't know much about the names mentioned here to replace Jr. I still believe jr is an extremely valuable asset. If I had to pick one without much research, I love Samaritan Purse and a closer relationship with Graham seems like a good fit.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

Here is a name that flew to the top of my list in the last few hours.

Dr. Voddie Baucham, PH.d from Oxford (so academic criteria is a check), but most importantly the man of God that he is is what we need in a leadership position. If you haven't taken a look at him and some of the things he has been doing for our LORD then check him out on youtube. He has done extensive work on the subjects of racial reconciliation, social justice, marxism and other hot topics. He is a beast!

If he is against Critical Race Theory strongly, I'd consider him. That is one thing for me that is disqualifying. I do not want a President who believes anything close to Critical Race Theory, which to me, has a lot of elements of a false gospel and is very, very divisive.

As for Carson, I like him a lot, but to me, I want someone younger than that. And I do agree it helps if we get someone who doesn't look overly involved in politics.

There may not be someone who is STRONGLY against critical race theory than Voddie. Check him out on youtube as he has a couple videos on that topic. It is good stuff bro.

[rtb72]

I have a candidate but am withholding it per request. Ha

Thanks for that, ball coach.

We already know, but can't say....we have "sources" too.

[ballah09]

I have a candidate but am withholding it per request. Ha

Thanks for that, ball coach.

We already know, but can't say....we have "sources" too.

IF you know, is it someone that we're all going to love? I pray they make a good decision but I'm afraid they'll pick someone who's worse than Jr.

[rtb72]

Thanks for that, ball coach.

We already know, but can't say....we have "sources" too.

IF you know, is it someone that we're all going to love? I pray they make a good decision but I'm afraid they'll pick someone who's worse than Jr.

I don't have a clue, I was kidding with PH by continuing with the "ballcoach playbook"

[flameshaw]

The thing that concerns me most, is that forced rehabilitation almost never works. A person has to WANT to change. Praying for the bored as they move forward. Praying for Jr. and LU as well.

[thepostman]

Good point @flameshaw which is why i hope they don't let him come back just because he went through a program. I actually am of rhe belief that he shouldn't ever come back to his role as president. If he takes steps to right himself then I'll have no problem with him being an advisor but his days of being the public face of rhe University should be over.

[Purple Haize]

We already know, but can't say....we have "sources" too.

IF you know, is it someone that we're all going to love? I pray they make a good decision but I'm afraid they'll pick someone who's worse than Jr.

I don't have a clue, I was kidding with PH by continuing with the "ballcoach playbook"

The ‘ballcoach playbook’ would be to wait until the person was announced THEN come on the Board proclaiming that you had this information for an extended period of time but unable to say. See fraudcoach believes he knows everything going on at LU because he reads about it after it happens

[thepostman]

Ballcoach has done that but he also makes vague statements and uses those to claim he was right. Next you'll be joining the old man's club @Purple Haize, its ok.