[Purple Haize]

Fauci Birx and Adams also have quotes out there saying the exact opposite for various reasons. What we don’t see is the why behind it. There are hard scientific facts out there about what masks can and cannot do. I’ve posted a couple. Why or how does The Rona act different to make these studies invalid?
There is a lot of reliance on modeling, and early on I get that. But as we have more data the guidelines are not jiving with reality. For instance, Adams has switched his position because of literature out there saying “..estimate that up to 40% of coronavirus infections could be transmitted by people who have the virus but no symptoms“. When that first appeared I absolutely sat up and took notice because that is a game changer. However, those figures were based on modeling and the real world data is suggesting that it is in fact extremely rare to transmit if you are asymptomatic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -very-rare

I used this link because even the headline is misleading once you get in to the article.

Fauci comes from a branch of medicine that would be ok with the entire world walking around in a hermetically sealed bubble. That’s just the nature of his discipline. Nothing nefarious about it. He also is not the worlds leading expert and there are colleagues who disagree with him.

Trump is just being Trump with that quote and he’s not wrong. When I was visiting my mom I absolutely wore a mask the proper way because she checks a lot of risk factor boxes. But going to Lowe’s? I don’t see the benefits

[TH Spangler]

At one time they said only the N95 mask were effective, the rest were useless. I see people wearing these soft cloth stylish mask part time, slipping them on and off in stores and restaurants. I see many only covering their mouth while breathing through their nose.

[olldflame]

At one time they said only the N95 mask were effective, the rest were useless. I see people wearing these soft cloth stylish mask part time, slipping them on and off in stores and restaurants. I see many only covering their mouth while breathing through their nose.

It is true that only an N95 mask will provide protection for the wearer, which is why they are a must for health care providers working with Covid patients. Surgical masks, as the name implies, are useful in surgery or other situations where the purpose is to provide protection for others. The cloth masksyou refer to have a similar purpose to surgical masks, although they likely are less effective, depending on the type of cloth and the fit. In theory, UNIVERSAL use of any type of mask should be helpful in reducing the amount of virus-bearing droplets expelled into the air. No mask is going to help at all unless mouth and nose are both covered.

Since the idea is NOT to protect the wearer, it really doesn't matter a lot if they are changed/sanitized often. I boil mine with detergent and bleach every few days anyway. Public mask use is mandated here in the DR, and I would estimate compliance is at least 95%. What frustrates me to no end is to see people wearing their masks outside, where the risk of spread is low, and then take them off when they return to a home with extended family (including elderly or high risk folks) living together in tight quarters.

[jbock13]

I highly recommend reading “Intellectuals and Society” by Thomas Sowell if you’d like to see why rule by “expert” is a bad idea.

[Purple Haize]

At one time they said only the N95 mask were effective, the rest were useless. I see people wearing these soft cloth stylish mask part time, slipping them on and off in stores and restaurants. I see many only covering their mouth while breathing through their nose.

It is true that only an N95 mask will provide protection for the wearer, which is why they are a must for health care providers working with Covid patients. Surgical masks, as the name implies, are useful in surgery or other situations where the purpose is to provide protection for others. The cloth masksyou refer to have a similar purpose to surgical masks, although they likely are less effective, depending on the type of cloth and the fit. In theory, UNIVERSAL use of any type of mask should be helpful in reducing the amount of virus-bearing droplets expelled into the air. No mask is going to help at all unless mouth and nose are both covered.

Since the idea is NOT to protect the wearer, it really doesn't matter a lot if they are changed/sanitized often. I boil mine with detergent and bleach every few days anyway. Public mask use is mandated here in the DR, and I would estimate compliance is at least 95%. What frustrates me to no end is to see people wearing their masks outside, where the risk of spread is low, and then take them off when they return to a home with extended family (including elderly or high risk folks) living together in tight quarters.

Did you see the study I posted on the effectiveness of cloth masks? They are far from effective. I mean covering your mouth in any type of form will reduce droplets. If You are wearing a mask that is contaminated with all sorts of who knows what, and the goal is to protect everyone but the wearer it seems like it WOULD matter if they are changed and cleaned often.
I’m not saying masks don’t work. What I am saying is the level of their effectiveness in the way they are being used is extremely questionable. When I have doctors telling me “ Cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze so you don’t do it on someone (and really who goes around sneezing on people?) wash your hands and don’t stand close to someone coughing or sneezing” and say masks are mor a psychological thing I have to ask why we are forcing people to wear them.
I know I’m coming across as argumentative to you and @Jonathan Carone and despite lore and reputation that’s not my goal. I asked these questions because we are forcing people to do things and id like to see if they are based on sound thinking. We’ve only been focused on one of the questions but the others are just as valid. And ones I’d love to see more people asking. So thanks to you two for engaging

[TH Spangler]

[olldflame]

For the record, my decisions on mask wearing are not based on specific recommendations from any "expert"( ESPECIALLY Tony Falsy.) I follow the law here to wear a mask in public, even when noone is near me, because it's the law, and I believe as a non-citizen here, I should not be the "ugly American". I admit I do drop it below my nose until I approach another person when outdoors. Most of the police here in Caleta know who I am, and would no doubt let me off with a warning, but I have no desire to take advantage. It's not an option at all entering any place of business (they will NOT let you in without one). Beyond that I apply what I know about how the virus is spread and use my common sense and judgement. I am a senior citizen with some history af asthma (symptom free for years) so I am certainly at risk. I try to keep my immune system up with vitamins and intermittent fasting. With rare exceptions, the only person who gets within 6 feet of me is my 8 year old son. The only restriction there is foregoing the local custom of kissing your children. I think the science is clear that there is little risk of him either catching the virus or transmitting it to me.

[Purple Haize]

So the Police know you well huh.........

My pet peeve are those who yell and scream at employees trying to enforce policy. It’s not the dude standing in front of Wal Marts fault there’s a mask mandate. Yelling at them does nothing. I’ll shop at food lion now before Wal mart because of the mask policy. But if I need something at Wal Mart I’ll don whatever to go in there. I don’t have a problem with a business dictating mask policy. But I do have a problem with the Governor doing it at this point. Especially by EO

[TH Spangler]

[cruzan_flame13]

Because he knows this is a joke and people, including professionals, are buying it! A virus that has a 1% mortality rate is causing people to accept shut down, loose their minds and hope for a vaccine(which will have terrible ingredients of nuerotoxins like murcury and aluminum) to help the issue. Of course this is just crazy talk!

[Jonathan Carone]

Or because he’s outside with a small group of people and the science says the airflow in that situation is safe to be unmasked.

[cruzan_flame13]

Or because he’s outside with a small group of people and the science says the airflow in that situation is safe to be unmasked.

Yet so close together! I suppose the viruses are alive and thought it was okay for him and his small group deserves to enjoy a good game of baseball.

[olldflame]

I think Fauci has been a disaster as the lead "expert" in this thing, and I'm glad he is being phased out, but I'm going to defend him on the mask part here. He is tested daily, so he knows he is negative, and the 2 people he is with are wearing masks. Considering they are basically the only people in the park however, it certainly would have been easy for them to leave an empty seat or 2 between them, which would be a much better look. That it's all mostly virtue signalling is evidenced by the fact that because everyone was watching, he wore the mask while actually making his "pitch", when he was at least 60' away from anyone.

[Purple Haize]

I think Fauci has been a disaster as the lead "expert" in this thing, and I'm glad he is being phased out, but I'm going to defend him on the mask part here. He is tested daily, so he knows he is negative, and the 2 people he is with are wearing masks. Considering they are basically the only people in the park however, it certainly would have been easy for them to leave an empty seat or 2 between them, which would be a much better look. That it's all mostly virtue signalling is evidenced by the fact that because everyone was watching, he wore the mask while actually making his "pitch", when he was at least 60' away from anyone.

There are pictures of the lady to his left chatting away with her mask off
They had contact with several people, remember he did attempt to throw out the first pitch.

[olldflame]

About as good a summary as I have seen regarding the current status of Covid-19. I know some of you take issue with the mask part. All I can say to that is IMHO it is not a hill worth dying on.

[Jonathan Carone]

That’s pretty spot on.

[SumItUp]

Light on facts, sounds like opinion.

[Purple Haize]

About as good a summary as I have seen regarding the current status of Covid-19. I know some of you take issue with the mask part. All I can say to that is IMHO it is not a hill worth dying on.

Until we have global common denominators as to what constitutes a Covid Case and a death from Covid I’m treating the mask thing as a commerce issue. I’ll wear it where I have to I order to conduct business I want. But other than that nope. Play the football season. Open the schools. Let’s go.

[olldflame]

Food for thought.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 8?mod=e2tw

[Purple Haize]

Food for thought.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/face-masks ... 8?mod=e2tw

So wearing something is better than wearing nothing. Earth shattering
Maybe I was just raised differently but when I cough or sneeze I cover my mouth. I don’t actually cough or sneeze ON someone
I noticed that these masks studies are done in hospital settings where masks are designed to work and the people using them do so on a daily basis regardless. They don’t wear them the entire time.
The MO contact tracing lends credence actually to follow the guidelines that if you are sick or work in constant close proximity you should wear a mask. Or if the stylists were asymptomatic it indicates maybe transmission isn’t that prevalent
But I don’t disagree with the finding. Having a covered mouth certainly prevents things from leaving your mouth than an uncovered one

[Jonathan Carone]

It's almost like Americans are learning about what the rest of the world already does.

[olldflame]

It's almost like Americans are learning about what the rest of the world already does.

Not really. The US is not even close to being the place where people are least likely to mask up.

[Jonathan Carone]

Then let me rephrase:

It's almost like Americans are learning how Asians have combated viral outbreaks for decades.

[olldflame]

Then let me rephrase:

It's almost like Americans are learning how Asians have combated viral outbreaks for decades.

[Purple Haize]

Then let me rephrase:

It's almost like Americans are learning how Asians have combated viral outbreaks for decades.

Remind me again where this virus originated