[TH Spangler]

as i said in another thread, you have loads of bored unemployed people all over the country. Many neglected communities acting out as their pre-covid squalor has been exacerbated greatly due to shutdowns. its a shame but many are being riled into such a destructive frenzy. their communities are being sent further into turmoil. But the way some communities are policed is not good. Its a vicious cycle that never seems to end.

looting and destroying property seems bad and not good from a societal standpoint. but JCPenny execs paid themselves millions of dollars of bonuses days before the company went bankrupt. one politician has already gotten off scott free for trading millions of dollars of stocks pre crash. the rich will have made 400billion dollars off the dip when this is all said and done. and the GVT handed them much of that money in the way of that disastrous bill.

They had hoped that a $1200 dollar check would solve the unrest. they were wrong and now are getting a dose of that reality. Notice hardly any of the leaders in these news conferences are wearing masks, socially distancing, etc etc.

They've been using our many social programs for years, to buy the peace, long enough to allow the establishment to become super rich offshoring our work to a new lower class in another country.

Trump had wages rising, not as fast as we would like, but it takes time for the new economy absorb the change. He was watching and considering a much higher minimum wage.

And Doctor King would have a better chance of replacing President Trump as the republican nominee than Biden as the demarcate nominee. The democrat party has changed, its split. Dr King was a bible believing Christian.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Dr King was disliked by most of the white community when he was alive (and then was murdered) and when there are peaceful activists they get attacked by a large majority of white folks. How do I know? I use to fall into that category. I have old rants, maybe even on here, where I make it pretty clear that I believed that they should be thankful for what they have and pointed out the fact that there was even a black president! Am I proud of those thoughts and rants? Absolutely not but it is why I have said on here and elsewhere that at this time we just need to shut up and listen to our black brothers and sisters.

I'd really like to hear from the people of color on this board and listen to what they have to say about this issue. We white folks could use feeling a bit uncomfortable for a while.

Lots of POC didn’t like MLK either

Difference back then is you had multiple high profile civil rights leaders who all did things differently. A lot preferred the Malcolm X and Black Panthers methods instead of MLK’s peaceful methods. I and no one else can say with any certainty but my educated guess is the vast majority of POC that didn’t like MLK didn’t want him to be assassinated though.

[TH Spangler]

Malcom X pretty much summed up foxy white liberals

[makarov97]

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[olldflame]

I think the Babylon Bee outdid themselves with this one:

[Purple Haize]

I think the Babylon Bee outdid themselves with this one:

I “Love” the Bee

[LUAlum1215]

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1RDGlQAMkddJL

[olldflame]

Plenty of blame to go around, and most of it goes to political leaders, but let's not overlook the thing that maybe more than anything else makes it possible for someone like Derek Chauvin to still be on the job after multiple previous incidents. POLICE UNIONS who don't care a bit about "protect and serve" unless it is referring to themselves and their jobs. The one in Minneapolis seems to be a classic example, and this is the guy heading it up:
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/min ... shootings/

[Jonathan Carone]

I think it’s both the unions who think they’re above any form of criticism and it’s the nature of the relationship between prosecutors and the police. Prosecutors rely on their relationships with the police to make their cases, so to investigate or charge an officer negatively impacts those relationships, especially in areas where the union is so self righteous.

[TH Spangler]

I use to support unions enough to be a CWA shop steward. What a walk on the dark side that was.

[olldflame]

It will be interesting to see the lefts response if there is a push to reduce the influence of police unions. On one hand they hate the police, but on the other hand they love unions. Something I haven't heard much about is that in Minnesota (and I would think in most other states) police officers must be licensed/certified by a state board. For the most part they have done nothing to discipline bad actors in the police force. I think that is another area where reform may help.

[Purple Haize]

It will be interesting to see the lefts response if there is a push to reduce the influence of police unions. On one hand they hate the police, but on the other hand they love unions. Something I haven't heard much about is that in Minnesota (and I would think in most other states) police officers must be licensed/certified by a state board. For the most part they have done nothing to discipline bad actors in the police force. I think that is another area where reform may help.

Part of that is because it’s not like Police Academies are overflowing with recruits.

[olldflame]

An interesting look at the problem of police unions from a somewhat surprising source.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... or-unions/

[Jonathan Carone]

(Language warning)

Cops push old man down.

He hits his head and immediately starts bleeding while lying motionless.

Cops told to keep moving without checking on man.

Police department claims man tripped and fell.

(Edit: sorry for double post. Posted in wrong thread originally.)

[Purple Haize]

Do you even watch the videos you post? One officer immediately got on the radio to call for help and at two individuals (National Guard?) who seemed to know what they were doing rendered aid. Was the push excessive? You’ll say yes, I’ll say no. But you make it sound like they just left a guy bleeding on the street and completely ignored him and that’s neither accurate or helpful

[Jonathan Carone]

Multiple guys kept walking and were told to keep walking. The guy you’re referencing and claiming called it in began moving officers away before he could call it in. I’m amazed someone could actually justify that.

Thankfully there’s already an internal affairs investigation against those officers.

[Jonathan Carone]

Apparently the police commissioner deemed it excessive as well.

[Purple Haize]

Multiple guys kept walking and were told to keep walking. The guy you’re referencing and claiming called it in began moving officers away before he could call it in. I’m amazed someone could actually justify that.

Thankfully there’s already an internal affairs investigation against those officers.

I have no problem with them moving on because A-there was nothing that guy could have done to help b- it was actually creating a safer environment for the person on the ground and c- they had help coming. They were moving forward in a group to clear the area. Had they stopped up front it would have created a dangerous and unsafe environment for the guy on the ground.

Of course there’s going to be an IA investigation. It’s on video. People like you who think the police should have done nothing wouldn’t stand for anything less. What do you propose they should have done? I’m sure the guy who pushed him will face some type of reprimand and the city will pay out some type of settlement to make it go away.

[Jonathan Carone]

They should’ve started by not pushing an old man to the ground.

[Purple Haize]

They should’ve started by not pushing an old man to the ground.

They did. They issued a warning to clear out. He approached them as they were advancing. They gave him a couple of seconds to get out of the way. He did not. He was pushed out of the way. He tripped as he was going backwards. Fell down and was injured. They did not push him to the ground. You’ve obviously never been pushed to the ground if that’s what you think that was.
So at the point that he approached the officers as they were moving forward in a group and he would not move, what should they have done? He was given multiple chances to move but refused...what would you suggest the officer have done?

[LUAlum1215]

The push was justified. He was given warnings to leave then reached towards one officer. He was pushed back. This is taught in EVERY POLICE ACADEMY as one of the first defensive tactics. Create distance. Since LE cannot and are taught not to retreat, that means the man has to be moved back. The uproar is because he hit his head and was bleeding. Could the officer control how his head would land when he pushed him? No. Had the man not hit his head no one would be talking about this. Sure, they could have just arrested him and been done with it but the goal is not to arrest every protestor. If a two hand check or push can send the signal then good. This time the mans head hit the cement and bled. That’s terribly unfortunate but it doesn’t mean the officer was not justified in what he did. I’ll say it again, use of force is not pretty.

The one officer telling the other to keep moving and not check on him? That’s because they still have to keep security. When multiple officers are on any scene where someone is injured the first one is always taught to bypass the injured and allow trailing officers to attend to them. That way the first officer is providing cover from ahead for any threats that may present themselves. Not to mention in this scenario they had national guard medics with them and the commanding officer knew that resource was immediately available.

[Jonathan Carone]

Man you guys have a totally different view of law enforcement then I do. Thankfully the majority of the country disagrees with you. If this is what we’re teaching cops then we need more reform than I realized.

[Purple Haize]

Man you guys have a totally different view of law enforcement then I do. Thankfully the majority of the country disagrees with you. If this is what we’re teaching cops then we need more reform than I realized.

I noticed you never answered the question
Also, ask an officer for a ride along or go to the nearest Academy. It will be eye opening for you

[Jonathan Carone]

Being anti police brutality does not mean I’m anti cop. I understand they have a terribly hard job.

As for what I think they should’ve done? Listened to the old man. Give him his five minutes, show you hear him, and then enforce the curfew peacefully. Cops across the country have been doing that exact thing all week.