[olldflame]

If you want someone to do something, you have to give them an incentive. If we’re asking people not to work right now, the incentive has to be greater than what they were previously doing. I don’t know that $25/hr minimum is that incentive, but giving more that what they were making isn’t a crazy idea.

It is not a great idea for the exact reason you just said. The inventive is for them to GO to work. All this bill is supposed to do is keep things at status quo. We are asking people to not lose their businesses and pay their employees. Paying them over what they are making makes 0 sense

My understanding is that in this situation, the incentive is absolutely not to go to work. It’s to stay home. If they want us to stay home for months at a time, and if they’re not pausing mortgage/rent payments, then I’m all for paying a little bit more.

What do you think the % is of those who are not working right now who are doing it voluntarily? The VAST MAJORITY are not working because they are laid off because their place of work is closed. Restoring them to 100% of their working income would be unprecedented and more than fair. The Dems can preach all they want about the great American work ethic. You start paying people double what they were making to not work and there are a boatload who will suck off the government teat as long as they possibly can. Also, not working and staying at home/socially isolating/taking precautions are separate issues. You give people a pay raise and nothing but time on their hands, their is no telling what some of them will do.

[olldflame]

So, it passed unanimously late last night with the "unemployment on steroids" included. House expected to pass it Friday. AOC is threatening to keep them from passing it by unanimous consent.

[SumItUp]

So, what is a business owner to do if they have ZERO revenue currently due to the shut down? Take out a loan from to continue to pay employees until things return to normal or send them to the unemployment lines for a pay raise?

[olldflame]

So, what is a business owner to do if they have ZERO revenue currently due to the shut down? Take out a loan from to continue to pay employees until things return to normal or send them to the unemployment lines for a pay raise?

Excellent question, and another reason the unemployment part was poorly thought out.

[olldflame]

I'm retired and living on Social Security and Virginia State Retirement. My income is unaffected by the virus. I will be getting a direct deposit of $1200 from this bill. I'm not going to try to send it back, but it somehow doesn't seem right.

[thepostman]

Yeah, my income hasn't been altered at all obviously since I am in the military and it is odd I'll be receiving an extra paycheck but the idea is it'll help jumpstart the economy. jokes on them because I'll just give some to my church and the rest will go into my savings account.

[Purple Haize]

So, it passed unanimously late last night with the "unemployment on steroids" included. House expected to pass it Friday. AOC is threatening to keep them from passing it by unanimous consent.

I’m totally ok with this move. This is the part of Government I don’t get. When people have seen the parts of the bill like Double unemployment or the Kennedy Center they are upset and rightfully so. Yet it passes anyways. No one is standing up and saying “Yeah, I put the Kennedy funding in there”. It just appeared and gets passed. AOC is most likely protesting this bill for reasons I don’t agree with but at least SOMEONE is standing up for their principles

[Class of 20Something]

It’s my money anyway. I’m not going to feel bad. They could have bought every American a hazmat suit and family a uv decon unit for half the cost. Could certainly have gone better.

[Purple Haize]

It’s my money anyway. I’m not going to feel bad. They could have bought every American a hazmat suit and family a uv decon unit for half the cost. Could certainly have gone better.

I have 0 problem with getting my money back (at least I think I will). But I think EVERYONE should. Again for $2 trillion every American over 18 yo could get a check for $10k. I’m certainly NOT happy with the cowards who tossed all this other stuff in there and just sit back in the shadows with now accountability

[Jonathan Carone]

This guy has been pretty good throughout the shut down. I like his explanation for the money on top of regular unemployment:

[Purple Haize]

I don’t have an issue with extending the length of unemployment benefits This is going to be a difficult time for lots of people who lost their jobs to find new ones. Job searches take longer than expected and will even more so now. That’s not the issue. A better solution than upping government payouts would be Lenders putting a 60-90 pause on debt repayments. That would give things time to settle. Without people suddenly thinking they are getting a raise. It’s a horrible idea. People will always live up to and over their means. It’s in our nature.
Or, and I’ll beat the dead horse here. $10k for everyone over 18.

[Jonathan Carone]

A better solution than upping government payouts would be Lenders putting a 60-90 pause on debt repayments.

This absolutely should've happened. We could've gotten away with a much less significant bail out had lenders done this. And at the end of the day, everyone will still pay what's owed, they just get 2-3 months added on the back end.

[Purple Haize]

A better solution than upping government payouts would be Lenders putting a 60-90 pause on debt repayments.

This absolutely should've happened. We could've gotten away with a much less significant bail out had lenders done this. And at the end of the day, everyone will still pay what's owed, they just get 2-3 months added on the back end.

See? We don’t disagree on EVERYTHING

[Jonathan Carone]

I forgot to mention this earlier:

The Cheesecake Factory has announced they are telling their landlords that they will not be paying their rent come April 1.

[chris leedlelee]

I forgot to mention this earlier:

The Cheesecake Factory has announced they are telling their landlords that they will not be paying their rent come April 1.

Are we about to have a nationwide rent strike on our hands?

[thepostman]

The Cheesecake Factory is starting a revolution! (Stole that from someone but I'm not sure who)

[ATrain]

My income hasn't been altered, and I am also getting $0 back. Those of you who are getting money back, enjoy.

[Jonathan Carone]

I honestly don’t know if my income will be impacted or not. I’m good this month and next, but no new business is coming in right now.

[Purple Haize]

I posted something similar last week so I’ll post something again in the same vein As upset as I am about this farce bailout bill I’m equally as happy that my beliefs in the lack of severity in this virus are playing out. Yes the us is now seeing more cases of The Virus, but that’s too be expected since we are testing more China also just sold a bunch of defective tests to Italy while our tests remain the most accurate and reliable. People here and elsewhere are all in a tizzy about this arbitrary marker of Easter as a turn around date. But let me take you back 2 weeks ago with this Tweet. Also let me remind you we should be seeing the onslaught of casualties and overflowing ER’s like Italy saw based on “Experts” in the Media. We haven’t. The math still doesn’t work for it too either

[Purple Haize]

And then of course this guy with perhaps the biggest “oops, my bad” in history. Thankfully he’s no longer predicting 2.2 million Americans dead. But yeah, let’s continue to ignore that and blast a Junior for letting International Students stay in campus

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/th ... edictions/

[thepostman]

This is a liberty message board and I tend to discuss more liberty related things on here because of that. There were irresponsible predictions but the main sources on this (the CDC/WHO) never made such outlandish predictions.

But if it makes you feel better to too your own horn, then go ahead. I'm glad this isnt that bad but we aren't out of the woods yet.

[thepostman]

We officially have the most documented cases in the world. Which is kind of crazy and could've been prevented if taken more seriously by a lot of people.

With that said, nobody is buying that number from China, right? I mean I know we have more cases than have been confirmed but nothing from the Chinese government can be trusted. I really feel for the people of China.

[Purple Haize]

We officially have the most documented cases in the world. Which is kind of crazy and could've been prevented if taken more seriously by a lot of people.

With that said, nobody is buying that number from China, right? I mean I know we have more cases than have been confirmed but nothing from the Chinese government can be trusted. I really feel for the people of China.

Everyone is saying we could have had fewer cases if we’d taken this more seriously. Really? Go back in time. No one was really advocating anything that we didn’t do. It’s why I’m posting these dire predictions from the past. No one was really calling for any actions that we didn’t take. No one was screaming that we do anything we weren’t doing. In fact it was the opposite. I mean it’s a great talking point but not grounded in contemporary reality

[olldflame]

And then of course this guy with perhaps the biggest “oops, my bad” in history. Thankfully he’s no longer predicting 2.2 million Americans dead. But yeah, let’s continue to ignore that and blast a Junior for letting International Students stay in campus

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/26/th ... edictions/

I wonder how much those initial projections cost the economies of the US and UK? Ferguson shares the blame, but he wasn't the one who made the decisions. Leaders need to look at all the science, not just the most negative.

[jinxy]

Almost every local bank i know immediately offered up to 4 months skip payments that still
Accrue interest but basically means you wont be paying much of any principal this year but thats better than not surviving.