[tyndal23]

Trying to figure out the massive disparity of Germany and Italy death rate.

[olldflame]

Trying to figure out the massive disparity of Germany and Italy death rate.

Isolating the elderly and others at high risk. Germany did. Italy did not. A lot of it is cultural. 3 generation housholds are the norm in Italy.

[thepostman]

Thanks @Purple Haize . I honestly don't remember seeing that from reputable sources. I don't consider any mainstream media source a reputable or our president for that matter.

There is a fine line of hysteria and being cautious. The media is going to be the media. The CDC has provided great data.

I was asked to provide a source or sources of who said >3%. I did that. I know that the WHO revised their estimate down. That was sort of the point of my original post. These numbers were touted as harbingers of doom. Now they are being ignored because they are dropping to a point that will soon be below seasonal flu

I may have read into your original post then. I thought you were claiming well over 3% was being claimed and that never was. The WHO said from almost the beginning that it was going to go down and not stay that high. Only the crazies trying to push a political agenda were saying otherwise.

Though if we didn't take any steps we would probably have way worse numbers. Luckily we took steps an, overall, seem to be handling this ok.

I feel like a broken record but we are still in the middle of this. My thoughts and your thoughts don't really mean much. But we have nothing else to talk about because sports are dead.

I was suppose to be in Vegas tonight with my wife...
So yep

[Jonathan Carone]

Article in The NY Times today suggested a two week shut down then we get back to normal, isolating the at risk and letting everyone else get back to normal. Basic argument was we waited too long to prevent the spread, so let’s protect the vulnerable and allow those who will most likely not get seriously sick get it and get over it.

[Purple Haize]

Article in The NY Times today suggested a two week shut down then we get back to normal, isolating the at risk and letting everyone else get back to normal. Basic argument was we waited too long to prevent the spread, so let’s protect the vulnerable and allow those who will most likely not get seriously sick get it and get over it.

I don’t know about waited to long but agree with the rest of it

[SumItUp]

Article in The NY Times today suggested a two week shut down then we get back to normal, isolating the at risk and letting everyone else get back to normal. Basic argument was we waited too long to prevent the spread, so let’s protect the vulnerable and allow those who will most likely not get seriously sick get it and get over it.

I don’t know about waited to long but agree with the rest of it

I love your optimism!

[Purple Haize]

Article in The NY Times today suggested a two week shut down then we get back to normal, isolating the at risk and letting everyone else get back to normal. Basic argument was we waited too long to prevent the spread, so let’s protect the vulnerable and allow those who will most likely not get seriously sick get it and get over it.

I don’t know about waited to long but agree with the rest of it

I love your optimism!

Thanks. I’m just trying to look at what the predictions were and where we are. The math really didn’t add up then and even less so now. Media (of all stripes) thrive on the sensational. People not dying is boring. But saying maybe 2 million Americans will die a horrible gruesome death...well that’s gonna make you take notice.
I’m glad the NYT is going to try to swing the pendulum. “We must face this invisible enemy for the good of our Country” etc. Give people a sense of purpose. But the NYT being the NYT will then blame any sickness or death squarely on Trumps shoulders cause the NYT is gonna NYT

[Jonathan Carone]

Here’s a quote followed by the link.

“O.K.,’’ I said, calling Katz by phone at his home in Connecticut after reading his article, “but we are where we are now. Most states and cities have basically committed to some period of horizontal social distancing and sheltering in place. So, can we make lemonade out of this lemon — and not destroy our economy?’’

I don’t see why not, he answered. “Now that we have shut down almost everything, we still have the option of pivoting to a more targeted approach. We may even be able to leverage the current effort at horizontal, population-wide, interdiction to our advantage as we pivot to vertical, risk-based, interdiction.’’

How? “Use a two-week isolation strategy,’’ Katz answered. Tell everyone to basically stay home for two weeks, rather than indefinitely. (This includes all the reckless college students packing the beaches of Florida.) If you are infected with the coronavirus it will usually present within a two-week incubation period.

“Those who have symptomatic infection should then self-isolate — with or without testing, which is exactly what we do with the flu,’’ Katz said. “Those who don’t, if in the low-risk population, should be allowed to return to work or school, after the two weeks end.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opin ... onomy.html

[lynchburgwildcats]

That’s illogical as the current data worldwide shows that people between like 20-50 are more likely to get a serious case, their immune systems are just better equipped to fight it off than the senior citizens.

[Purple Haize]

This was a good article as well

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-f ... able-data/

[Jonathan Carone]

That’s illogical as the current data worldwide shows that people between like 20-50 are more likely to get a serious case, their immune systems are just better equipped to fight it off than the senior citizens.

But isn’t the point of the lockdown not to overrun the hospitals?

If younger people are better equipped to fight it off, therefore not needing to go to the hospital or need a ventilator, then why are we doing this?

I was all for flattening the curve and social distancing. I still am! But the idea we’ll still be doing this a month from now isn’t feasible. Take away the idea that small businesses will be dead. Hospitals are losing revenue hand over fist right now. You continue to cancel all elective surgeries, preventative screenings, and general check ups and we’ll see hospitals start to lay people off thereby starting a hospital shortage created by us trying to prevent a hospital shortage.

[TH Spangler]

Anyone working for a non-profit.

http://agitator.thedonorvoice.com/actio ... ply-chain/

[ballah09]

I don't know if this was posted but I haven't seen a professor call out Jr like this before. I hope she keeps her job.

https://religionnews.com/2020/03/22/dea ... J0SfuF7WTk

[thepostman]

I read that this morning and she is as good as fired at this point.

[Jonathan Carone]

Well dang. I hope she has a great job to move to and I'm glad she risked her future to say what's needed to be said.

[Purple Haize]

I read that this morning and she is as good as fired at this point.

My #sources tell me she has a job already lined up for next year at another academic institution

[olldflame]

I believe in free speech, and don't question her motives, or her arguments for that matter, but let's not get carried away about how courageous she was. Looks like she already had her next gig lined up.

[ballcoach15]

I read that this morning and she is as good as fired at this point.

She should be.

[Class of 20Something]

I believe in free speech, and don't question her motives, or her arguments for that matter, but let's not get carried away about how courageous she was. Looks like she already had her next gig lined up.

Well that’s called intelligence my friend. Liberty offers no tenure(except the law school). You step out of line and you’re out. She’d be stupid to write that publicly and not be prepared.

I do think ultra limited tenure positions in combination with functional, research, or influence based contacts could help the problems Liberty faces.

Tenure isn’t right for all fields(especially STEM), but the outright lack of tenure does lead Liberty to have an ironic reputation of not allowing professors to have intellectual liberty.

[TH Spangler]

Hope her next jig is not at one of the colleges that doesn't survive this event. Some experts say of 30 % fail in the next 2 years.

[olldflame]

Hope her next jig is not at one of the colleges that doesn't survive this event. Some experts say of 30 % fail in the next 2 years.

I wouldn't be surprised, and the vast majority of them will not be missed. If anything, expediting their inevitable demise may be one of the most positive things to come out of this. The 4 year Liberal Arts degree has been oversold and overpriced for years, and I suspect that as students (and parents) discover they can learn the same things on line for less, and without subjecting themselves or their children to face to face indoctrination with the far left agenda, a lot of them may never come back to campuses.

[Purple Haize]

Could be a VA Shelter in Place starting tomorrow. Ugh

[thepostman]

Maryland is forcing all non-essential businesses to close today by 5. Gov Hogan isn't calling it a shelter-in-place because its not and the use of the shelter-in-place phrase has been misused by other states. When you shelter-in-place you don't leave until the all clear. It isn't that extreme anywhere. I'm not sure why that phrase keeps being used.

[Purple Haize]

Maryland is forcing all non-essential businesses to close today by 5. Gov Hogan isn't calling it a shelter-in-place because its not and the use of the shelter-in-place phrase has been misused by other states. When you shelter-in-place you don't leave until the all clear. It isn't that extreme anywhere. I'm not sure why that phrase keeps being used.

Because it’s easy to say and sounds cool.
What Gov Northampton is saying now is what I thought was coming. 30 days was surprising as was closing schools for the year. I was under the impression that it was going to be 2 weeks with 30 being extreme

[Yacht Rock]

Maryland is forcing all non-essential businesses to close today by 5. Gov Hogan isn't calling it a shelter-in-place because its not and the use of the shelter-in-place phrase has been misused by other states. When you shelter-in-place you don't leave until the all clear. It isn't that extreme anywhere. I'm not sure why that phrase keeps being used.

You mean we don't go out and get groceries in the middle of tornado or other disaster that requires an actual "shelter-in-place?"