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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: February 10th, 2020, 2:24 pm He isn't a self proclaimed socialist so that alone puts him closer to the middle. Again, he leans further left than I'd ever be willing to vote for but I'm explaining his appeal to his party.
Well now we are just saying the same thing. You just are starting to understand the awesomeness of my original comment :D Words and Deeds. He SAYS one thing but does something more. Just because he’s doesn’t say he’s not a Socialist doesn’t mean he isn’t one. Which does make him appealing because he couches it in word salads that sound more like a Ted Talk than actual boots on the ground policy.
Basically he makes Lizzy and Bernies policy desires sound palatable. Or so vague you just imprint your desire on the words to fit your narrative
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By thepostman
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Maybe so but it seems to me you're really underselling how far left Bernie really is. He isn't even a Democrat. Which is a big reason he won't win the nomination. He isn't electable but the people whole support him are will stick with him and will in turn help hand the election to Trump in the name of socialism. It's insane and I'm not sure how a guy who is an independent is somehow shocked that a lot of the party doesn't want him to represent them.

What a crazy place both parties are in right now.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 5:43 pm Maybe so but it seems to me you're really underselling how far left Bernie really is. He isn't even a Democrat. Which is a big reason he won't win the nomination. He isn't electable but the people whole support him are will stick with him and will in turn help hand the election to Trump in the name of socialism. It's insane and I'm not sure how a guy who is an independent is somehow shocked that a lot of the party doesn't want him to represent them.

What a crazy place both parties are in right now.
That’s my point in posting this article. Mayor Pete is much further Left than most people are giving him credit for. I would say as he gets more and more vetted you will see his views are closer to Bernie than Centrist.
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By Purple Haize
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thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 6:58 pm But that has never been my point. We are discussing semantics at this point.

Regardless, if you're a Trump supporter you've gotta love what the Democrats are doing to themselves.
Considering how Democrats were relishing the Republican primarily in 2016 I’m not counting my chickens.
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By thepostman
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thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 7:19 pm Fair enough. They are just making the same mistakes as they did 4 years ago. Underestimating Trump, believing polls, and embracing the far left of their party.
To expand on this point, Trump won because he is actually more of a centrist than those in both parties would like to admit. I'm not sure why the Democrats can't see that.
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thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 8:16 pm
thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 7:19 pm Fair enough. They are just making the same mistakes as they did 4 years ago. Underestimating Trump, believing polls, and embracing the far left of their party.
To expand on this point, Trump won because he is actually more of a centrist than those in both parties would like to admit. I'm not sure why the Democrats can't see that.
The media and other leftists have been trying to paint him as a racist, sexist fascist Nazi as soon as he officially said he was running as a republican. How can someone that horrible have sensible policies toward issues they care about?
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By ElmersTwin
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Ill flame wrote: February 14th, 2020, 8:56 pm
thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 8:16 pm
thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 7:19 pm Fair enough. They are just making the same mistakes as they did 4 years ago. Underestimating Trump, believing polls, and embracing the far left of their party.
To expand on this point, Trump won because he is actually more of a centrist than those in both parties would like to admit. I'm not sure why the Democrats can't see that.
The media and other leftists have been trying to paint him as a racist, sexist fascist Nazi as soon as he officially said he was running as a republican. How can someone that horrible have sensible policies toward issues they care about?
Is the 21% spike of government spending in the last 4 years considered sensible? Asking for a friend.
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By Purple Haize
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Yeah. The spending depends on what you are comparing it too. HRC would have increased spending by more almost certainly. Trump got rolled into CR’s just about every year. People like Paul Ryan were such a huge disappointment. They could have actually had a budget when they ran the House. Instead they were too busy trying to fight Trump. It’s one of the yuge things that I’m disappointed about in Trumps 1st term. However, I do like all the checks balances etc he just submitted in his new budget. Lots of good stuff in there. But the Republicans have to take the House and stand by it. It’s 50/50 that they will hold to it.
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By RubberMallet
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the problem for evangelicals isn't necessarily bernie himself. i believe he will be politically stifled in his attempts to do much of what he likes because he's still dealing with big gvt backing and old colonial money regardless of how much he will try. The problem is just teh pulse of a nation that would put us in a position where a basically socialist would be vying for the presidency.

Bernie is bad. he's economically insane. But I think both the left and right brought this on themselves. ie mayor bloomberg.

buttigieg is unelectable because the country isn't ready for a gay president (will not get the black and latino vote) and its really hard to say his name right.
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RubberMallet wrote: February 17th, 2020, 1:08 pm the problem for evangelicals isn't necessarily bernie himself. i believe he will be politically stifled in his attempts to do much of what he likes because he's still dealing with big gvt backing and old colonial money regardless of how much he will try. The problem is just teh pulse of a nation that would put us in a position where a basically socialist would be vying for the presidency.

Bernie is bad. he's economically insane. But I think both the left and right brought this on themselves. ie mayor bloomberg.

buttigieg is unelectable because the country isn't ready for a gay president (will not get the black and latino vote) and its really hard to say his name right.
Obama's middle name is Hussein. Names don't matter.
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By PAmedic
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RubberMallet wrote: February 17th, 2020, 1:08 pm The problem is just teh pulse of a nation that would put us in a position where a basically socialist would be vying for the presidency.

Bernie is bad. he's economically insane. But I think both the left and right brought this on themselves.
EXACTLY THIS. RIGHT THE EFF HERE.
By Ill flame
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ElmersTwin wrote: February 14th, 2020, 11:09 pm
Ill flame wrote: February 14th, 2020, 8:56 pm
thepostman wrote: February 14th, 2020, 8:16 pm

To expand on this point, Trump won because he is actually more of a centrist than those in both parties would like to admit. I'm not sure why the Democrats can't see that.
The media and other leftists have been trying to paint him as a racist, sexist fascist Nazi as soon as he officially said he was running as a republican. How can someone that horrible have sensible policies toward issues they care about?
Is the 21% spike of government spending in the last 4 years considered sensible? Asking for a friend.
Don't even get me started on government spending. I'm all for giving the military the resources they need but they can definitely do alot more with less along with the rest of government. This and his "take the guns first then go through due process later" are my two biggest bugaboos when it comes to Trump. The rest I'm mostly satisfied with.
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By RubberMallet
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the thing is that we as a general populous are only very new to caring so much about caucus' and primaries. 2008 saw more people vote in primaries than than int he past like 30 years. Also, the incumbent year of a sitting president usually sees very little primary voting due to not much turn out on the incumbents side. But this year they are saying look for a higher showing on the democrat side than ever before for primaries.

So what have we learned about primaries? For each party its a mad dash to the left or right. because historically the only people who have cared about primaries are democrat or republican sycophants. then once the candidate is established its a mad dash to center.

now that primaries and caucuses get so much media attention, republicans are aghast at the running platforms of democrats and vise versa.

The issue with Sanders is he's far left all the time. Even when he gets the nomination there is very little ground for him to move to center. the democrats are screwed. i could see bernie not even getting to 200.

but i feel like the dems are screwed either way really. anecdotally I know bernie supporters who will vote for trump if he doesn't get the nomination, and i know leftist non bernie fans who will vote trump if he's the nominee.

the left is fractured. the right for all its problems has stuck together. it could of split when trump got the nomination or trended that way but they didn't do all this backdoor backstabbin. they just ran with it. and they got basically a loudmouth RINO out of it.
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By Purple Haize
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Turnout has been well below expectations for Democrats in Iowa and NH. That’s got to be disappointing. You would think with the different arms of the party vying for the nomination each candidate’s votes would make for a large combined total. Early on that doesn’t appear to be the case. Could be indicative of an enthusiasm problem
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Purple Haize wrote: February 18th, 2020, 1:14 pm Turnout has been well below expectations for Democrats in Iowa and NH. That’s got to be disappointing. You would think with the different arms of the party vying for the nomination each candidate’s votes would make for a large combined total. Early on that doesn’t appear to be the case. Could be indicative of an enthusiasm problem
The President is not having that issue.

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By Purple Haize
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Class of 20Something wrote: February 18th, 2020, 2:16 pm
Purple Haize wrote: February 18th, 2020, 1:14 pm Turnout has been well below expectations for Democrats in Iowa and NH. That’s got to be disappointing. You would think with the different arms of the party vying for the nomination each candidate’s votes would make for a large combined total. Early on that doesn’t appear to be the case. Could be indicative of an enthusiasm problem
The President is not having that issue.

Nope. Which makes me cautiously optimistic about his re-election chances
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By RubberMallet
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bloomberg was a desperate hailmary by the DNC. which is basically bankrupt financially. needs his money and for him to fend off sanders. and now its kind of crappy because his clips of him saying stuff about everyone like farmers and black people are. not. gooood.

They should of wittled down the field much sooner. building a base takes time and when a person you put enough energy into drops out, its hard to build up that much excitement for your #2....or 3....and then 4.
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